Sunday, September 25, 2016

Why do Some Liberals Think All White People are Rich?


Can I ask a weird question here, why do liberals think all white people are rich?

Why White People Explain They are Oppressed

Let's look at a sample quote:

"Modern white Americans are one of the most powerful groups of people to ever exist on this planet and yet those very people—or, if you're white, you people—staunchly believe that the primary victims of modern racism are whites."

Do you feel powerful? Because I sure don't. Don't they mean RICH WHITE PEOPLE? Don't they mean the one percent and bankers?. When one reads a sentence of such utter nonsense like that, one knows this article will run off the rails. Isn't it money that brings power now in America? Hmm funny how they want to hide this reality.

I know the powers that be want to beat the race gong. It works for them. The last thing they want is poor people of all races figuring out what is going on and uniting together.

Trump can get all the people who want to bow before billionaires to vote for him while falsely blaming black people and hispanics for their economic woes. Hey I've been on "conservative" boards, and seen this scapegoating first hand. It makes me sick. Don't be a poor white going to hang out on Free Republic or other Trump supportive boards, even in that world there is supposedly no such thing as poor whites, and there'd be no one in need of welfare if they just all "GOT A JOB"! All these types ignore the fact most on welfare are WORKING unless they are disabled.

All I know is when I go to my food pantries, there's tons of people of other races there, who can't get good paying jobs too and who are struggling just like us. The right politicians have given all of us the same middle finger but the leftist politicians are betraying THEM TOO.

Then there is the left, they tell us the economy is doing great. They are the ones who send all the money overseas while letting American cities fall apart. Are we suppose to think they care about black people in America?  Even that show "Abandoned" on the Vice Network, makes the decay of America, more then apparent. I wonder if that skateboarder guy plans to vote for Hillary after crying over the falling down and abandoned Saint Louis school system?

The racial stuff is getting insane, and I see the extremes there too, the ones who pound on about how all whites are rich and powerful and have privilege sicken me as much as the racist ones who use black people as scapegoats and defend the police state and economic oppression that is destroying us all now but started with the ghettos first. All these people do is divide people. Everything becomes about race. White and Black. What if you are olive toned? What if you want to see people for people first and not according to race? What of the bi-racial people too? Its like they WANT everyone at each other's throats. 

Going back to the top article let's look at Tim Wise's quote:

"Tim Wise, anti-racist educator says, "When you've had the luxury of presuming yourself to be the norm, the prototype of an American, any change in the demographic and cultural realities in your society will strike you as outsized attacks on your status. You've been the king of the hill and never had to share shit with anyone, what is really just an adjustment to a more representative, pluralistic, shared society seems like discrimination. When you're used to 90 percent or more of the pie, having to settle for only 75 or 70 percent? Oh my God, it's like the end of the world." But as white people lose their dominant status, the meaning of whiteness in America will have to change significantly."

Let me try and give this guy a clue, if Mr. poor white man can't get a factory job to save his life, neither is a black man who wants a good job to take care of his family. The elite can use these racial battles to advance destruction of the American economy, silencing with success, the poor whites who ask "Where have all the jobs gone"?  What poor white person feels like the "king of the hill" and how out of touch are these liberals?  None of us have ever been the "king or queen of the hill" So now any white person who asks how come we are living in poverty is a racist? Can someone explain that one to me. The job opportunities in the inner city have worsened. How come no one talks about that?

Here Tim Wise becomes an excuse maker for the globalists and the 1 percent, ignoring the fact that globalism destroyed the ghettos first, and WORKED it's way down. People don't care about losing "dominant status" or other nonsense this guy is claiming, people want to just be able to eat and pay their bills. 

Putting down one group to elevate another does not work. All that is builds is resentment. Poor whites who have seen their economic fortunes collapse, should not be listening to people tell them  it's because they are a bunch of racists. The fortunes of inner city blacks collapsed first in the 60s and then worked their way down to whites in the last couple of decades. Don't they realize as they praise the economic collapse for whites, that things worsen for other groups?

Telling poor whites, you deserve to suffer too because the ghettos have, is the elites wanting to take a chomp out of everyone as they clean out the coffers and turn the entire nation into Detroit. They simply started with the ghettos first and now are working their way down. Poison water for Flint, could definitely mean poison water in your rural mostly white town. So the ignorant Republicans who say things like "Oh they didn't pay their water bills, so they get what they deserve", better watch out, it will be coming to your town next.  Many people don't get that water in inner city areas is not the same and people are often charged more. In Chicago, my water turned black in the tub, it didn't clean my clothes completely.  Things reserved for the oppression of the black man now are being expanded out. Remember that saying First they came for the socialists and I did not speak out....well it's kind of like that.

I get tired of out of touch liberals upping the racial divide acting like all white people are wealthy and we all are having our maids get the jar of Grey Pou Pon out of the cupboard. The assumptions that all whites have class access to credit cards, decent clothes cars and ability to get good jobs, is a form of racism in itself.  It denies economic realities for millions. The article from above that declares all white people are "powerful" and "wealthy" is cracked. What power? I believe when the left concentrates on this stuff, the powers that be are getting their way separating whites and blacks and building resentment between the two groups. They follow divide and conquer formulas.

The police state is ruining America. I have noticed everything is about control. The cops are told to get compliance. There's no more Andy Griffith, it's all about tasering people and throwing them on the ground and demanding obedience at all costs. The laws are often to make money. The drug wars are insane.  There's little social relationships in communities anymore. The militarization of their equipment has made them more into soldiers "fighting the enemy" rather then fellow members of a community whom they feel motivated to protect and serve.  So many of them are shooting first just like soldiers rather then figuring out what is going on. This is probably worse in larger communities.

 Many do not realize the powers that be want a federalized police force. That is scary. While they ramp up the racial divisions, they ramp up division of communities and police. Maybe there is a reason they sold them all that military equipment. On Republican boards, one can see some wanting to vote for Trump just to quell all those riots. Make the police state stronger they say! The American solution to everything seems to be police state crack downs. How many more people do they want to lock up? Isn't a couple million enough?

 Are white and blacks going to befriend one another, when the leftists keep emphasizing the differences between us? Am I weird to think these thoughts? How is this going to fix racism? All it does is advance the system of oppression.

39 comments:

  1. No, your very intelligent to think these thoughts. I am so sick of both sides baloney.
    I don't feel in any way privileged. I was poor for years, then just made it to the middle class then promptly became ill. Then my husband lost his job a bunch of years later and it is really hard to bounce back. Our house is old our car is old ,we are old , I am sick. I don't have water now because of the drought here we have stopped using our water so our well doesn't dry up. I am a sick person living like a
    pioneer. It is so hard. And it is draining our money buying paper plates and other things. I literally say to my liberal friends that I don't really believe they care about the blacks or immigrants because they don't lift a finger to help me and there are enough who have known my plight.
    People are so full of self delusions about their virtue on both sides. It's hideous. But, this demonizing of white people and ignoring their plight is turning people to the alt right. But, they are horrid in their way too.we need to get back to some old fashion civility in this country. Caring about our actual neighbor. You know, the one next door, or down the street.

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    1. Thanks anon, I appreciate it. Glad I found someone else who is sick of both sides of the baloney.

      Yes many of us are not privileged. Sorry your fortunes fell, well I even got my too short 8 years in the working class when husband had his newspaper jobs. Lose one job and it can really mess a lot of things up. Some of these bosses don't get that they are literally destroying people's lives. Yes all our things are old too.

      Sorry you are having a drought that is tough too. I couldn't live without water even health wise, too much showering and things to clean. Are you having to even purchase water to wash your hands? Sorry no one has helped. Yeah it kind of pushes aside some of that virtue-signaling stuff doesn't it. They claim to care but your personal experience is you see them turning their back on you.

      I agree about the delusions of virtue on both sides too. All of humanity is prone to wickedness. It's true, that the demonizing of whites and the claims we are all rich, and "the oppressors" is pushing people right into supporting Trump and the "alt-right". Problem is there too, there will be no mercy for the poor either, it's all for the elite, and worship of bankers and the police state.

      I don't see billionaire Trump caring about people being out of work, as he gets people to blame other races. I've read enough alt-right websites, to see the poor hatred is growing, supposedly everyone who is on "assistance" is a "waist of skin" and a "mooch", they still all act like good paying jobs can be picked off trees. You don't want to see what they say about the disabled.

      Of course they all claim that wealthier people are "more virtuous" a la Charles Murray and some of the ire for poor whites, matches the past/present ire for poor blacks---[supposedly as far as the poor whites go--they say we are all on drugs--meth in the case of the whites and need drug tested, lazy--in whites case sitting home just playing the video games and taking oxycotin and deserve all their ill fortunes.

      I read things on the websites, like anyone who wants to work, would get a job, and how anyone who has failed in this land of "opportunity" is a bum. The "alt-right" which I had contact with in my rural town and in IFB churches though the latest was more mainstream Republicanism, all are enamored with Ayn Rand, and ideas of "Self sufficiency" and screw the neighbors. So yeah the old fashioned civility has gone by the wayside. There's no caring about the neighbors. This country has lost it.

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  2. Plus your definitely not privileged if you were the scapegoat of the family.I actually think that's the starting point of all my hardships.

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    1. Me too. I've had a few years to think about this, with loving parents and good medical care and support when I needed it, life could have gone completely different. Scapegoats are pushed down into poverty very often and yes its the starting point of hardships.

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  3. The "alt right is also obsessed with IQ , and with a woman 's " market value". It's so hideous. There is no where to go. The left has there own insanity. They think unchecked immigration is fine because it doesn't affect most of them yet.They always claim to have such bleeding hearts, but I see no evidence of it in real life.
    The "alt right" thinks free speech means being totally crass and uncivil. Our country has gone insane. You can only agree with a few things, a few people say. No one has a full, well rounded, sound view.I think you have to keep your own counsel these days.

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    1. Yes I have seen those male rights movement boards and they are hideous. Getting a women to those sociopathic freaks has nothing to do with love but only being serviced, and the market value and ratings from 1-10. I agree the left's support of unchecked immigration makes me sick too, when people here [some immigrants themselves years ago or the children of immigrants--MY HUSBAND can't even get jobs. They basically say tough crap for you poor whites [and blacks and hispanics and others who live here too] go starve! Yes the "alt right" just seems to want to outrage people. Both sides sicken me, I'm afraid of whatever creep they plan to give us from either side too.

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  4. Yes, this is such a creepy election. I think each election cycle gets worse.
    What really gets me is women who latch on to the alt right or the mens movement. I've even heard women who don't believe women should vote. What is there problem!?
    Yes, I have heard blacks who says African- Americans will be a smaller population than African immigrants from today.
    I'm sorry your husband can't get enough work. It is terrible what they are doing to step over the people who have lived there whole lives in this country.Why are we helping people who want a better economic life from across the world, when there are people who want a better economic life right here. Blacks included. Which these same liberals use at there convenience for an argument about the poor.
    I'm not thinking either candidate is the answer either.

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    1. Yes this is a creepy election, I think it is worse too. I may watch the debates tonight just to see the "show" maybe theyll give us one. I certainly don't see it as real "democracy" in action what a joke. I am familiar with the people who want to take things back to 1860, I was in the IFB. Even when I visited Calvary Chapel, for a short time there was some Quiverful people who attended who did not believe in careers for women [not realistic in todays world] and in no votes for women. I don't see any of that dialing back improving life for anyone. Look at the Duggars, they are like the Christian Taliban [remember I
      m a Christian writing this and they scare me]

      Agree in some areas, there will be more African immigrants.

      Yes my husband has no way to get work. He just freelances. By the way he applied somewhere online for some Indians [transcribing]. I don't know if he got that job. He has several jobs mixed together. Two laid him off last month, but he is used to that. Maybe they are OUR BOSSES now that American industry has been decimated.

      I wonder too why people are still coming here to get better economic lives, and we aren't allowed to go anywhere. We actually in this household discuss selling it all, and trying to go to other countries. Sigh if only I was in better shape and not so dependent on American medical care and being SO FAT changes the forumla too, though at times I have wondered what would the real totally non-GMO food do for me. We have no money to leave this is just dreaming, but the people who come here had the money and ability to go somewhere where they had economic hope why not us? The powers that be act like it's just whites who suffer for all the immigration but its not, its every native born race. Both candidates don't care. We got the business as usual candidates. I don't think Trump for all his anti-immigration talk is really going to act on it either. Hillary lives in a dream world where there is supposedly an "economic recovery".

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    2. I never see any poor immigrants here either. Only some hispanics who they have working the fields are the exception [I encounter them when I go to the local Mexican grocery store for groceries about once a month] With those people they are used as pawns by those who have suppressed the wages. They do have very hard lives.

      Outside of that exception though it seems everyone foreign has money and lots of it. I was watching "Say Yes to the Dress" and I noticed when they had these VIP appointments for the ultra-wealthy, that the people coming in were from foreign countries, NOT WHITE and were Indian and other races. I think poor white and black and other native born people people in America are noticing this too.

      The Indians moving to my town for their H1B jobs are all middle class and above. They are nice people, but their economic future is definitely brighter then my own.

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  5. Lots of times, racism is all about scrambling for resources. I read that minorities get hired sometimes for just not being white. Certain rewards for those not white. New immigrants get more too. How does white privilege work? We are at a time of racing for those precious resources, that person given a head start will be hated for just that reason.

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    1. I think now being a minority in certain places can be advantageous. I was turned down for a job in Chicago for being not being a certain race, so the liberals that claim whites can never be the victim of racism are wrong. We may have less historical racism and less troubles in courts and with cops, but it still crops up, anyone can have racism committed against them. Also now it seems being foreign is an ASSET in getting a corporate job at least around here. I also remember being turned down for jobs in Chicago for NOT being a native speaker of Spanish. I knew some but wasn't fluent enough. These things are happening to people. This was the 1990s for me. Anyhow the elites can have everyone at each other's throats while they eat up all the resources and money. That's what they are DOING.

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  6. When I said there were women who think we shouldn't vote , I actually wasn't talking about religious woman.That's what was so bizarre about it.
    Yes I agree, they want us at each others throats. I was shopping recently and I noticed that most people no matter what race, just loved their kids and wanted to be able to buy stuff to make there lives more comfortable.
    Yes, I also agree that white people can be the victims of prejudice. And it is racism to lump all white people as oppressors. I don't have the power to oppress anyone, nor the desire.It's actually somewhat innate to be tribal. It's sometimes best to overcome it and at other times people need to stick with their tribe for economic or social reasons.
    White people are being stupid with the whole "individualism "thing. Then we don't help each other so we slowly go down. It may be why I see more homeless white people.

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    1. Oh I thought you meant the religious ones but sure there are secular ones saying the same thing. it is getting bizarre. Yes most people just want to survive and have a good life, which is getting harder and harder for everyone. I agree it is racist to call all whites oppressors or to claim whites can't have racism against them or even among themselves. I don't have the power or desire either to oppress anyone. I agree about the tribal stuff, it's not because people want to be cruel but innate social reasons. White are being destroyed by "individualism", look at the families throwing people away. I have written how I envy other groups for their close knit families that look out for one another. Even immigrants succeed more because the families are united. Yes I see more homeless white people too. I think it's because family break down is worse among whites. If you become poor or have hard times [generalizing here] in most other groups you are not thrown away by your family, there is more family cohesiveness. Many whites, it's like we don't have a "tribe". I even envy people who have distinct ethnic heritages. At least they know who they are and where they came from.

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  7. I keep going back and forth about watching the debates, because I know it's such rubbish; and I might want that hour or two back that I've wasted!

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    1. I watched about 2/3rds. Pretty much I expected. Clinton seemed to slur words, get confused at one point, but don't know if that was my bad hearing. She got the weird look on her face smiling too hard, when Trump went on about how bad her stamina was.

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  8. I had the CC on the TV but her words seemed glitched up....

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  9. I was raised on our family farm that eventually was worth some money (after which my NM gave it all to my ex wife). The ex missed out on our years of living there with no plumbing and having to heat bath water on the stove and use chamber pots and an out house.

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    1. I am curious how did she grow up? Spoiled? Yes people even decades later had to live without an outhouse. In my rural county I used to live in had people living that way NOW.

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  10. My ex? Her mother married her step father who was an engineer in Alabama working on the Apollo Space Program for NASA. But HE came from the back waters of rural Louisiana and grew up the hard way Which means my ex had the best of medical and dental care and had a new car waiting on her for her 16th birthday and had her college paid for. All her brothers and sisters did. I wouldn't be grudge them a dime but all our money went to keep my mother out of the electric chair and you know I say that in all seriousness. If you graphed my families success and net worth it would be an upward sloping line until my mother was born at which time it all went south. In one generation she took everything from everybody and metaphorically burned it in the drive way because me and my sister had the nerve to stand up to her. We are now more like those Indian civilizations where you can see where they lived and deduce what they grew and ate. And then disappeared leaving nothing behind but shards of pottery and drawings on a cave wall.

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    1. Wow sounds like she had it pretty good growing up so she definitely would not relate to what you went through. Yeah your mother treashed all the family wealth and destroyed your economic stability via the money for her misguided defense. You know I get weird thoughts while standing at food pantries or going to church charity meals, knowing my mother got near three quarters of a million dollars from my father and just bought herself another 40,000 dollar car. You know I had aspirations and dreams where being able to go beyond brute survival, it would have been better for me.

      I think narcs destroy family lines, dreams and more. It's not just putting up with one "asshole" in the room it goes well beyond that doesn't it? I even have my weird dreams, what if I had a niece to love and visit me? Well that's been shattered.

      What if I had decent parents, who weren't into medical neglect? Who would have been born then? They smash life itself to bits. I agree your mother did the same.

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  11. I remember when my father died people stopping by to give their condolences and the shocked look on their faces when they asked to use the bathroom and I pointed them to a little shack out back. So this was after most people had improved their living conditions except for people that had a sociopath murderer in the family funneling all the money to their lawyers.

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    1. Hmm imagine the bathroom you could have had earlier if he didn't decide to give all the money to lawyers. Yes sociopaths are expensive.

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  12. It's about this time that people start grumbling about the over the top nature of my mother and what she did our family. But let me tell you my larger message is if your narcissist has given you the stink eye and done it in a way that when you looked deep in side and no one was in there and if you ever felt fearful about what this person might be capable of doing. Think of me and my words and know they will do anything they think they can get away with. Up to and include things that end up shortening peoples lives. If my mother could have gotten away with it I really think she would have lined us all up and put a bullet into the back of their heads. If she could minimize, rationalize, or in some way work what she did off on somebody else. Hell first degree murder is about the only way to be executed these days and that prospect didn't slow her down a bit. Not when she could sucker her family into taking the hit for her and bailing her out. To most people that would be like drawing to an inside straight, but for her it was a calculated risk and as long as she had some suckers around to blame it was a risk she was willing to take.

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    1. They will fulfill your worse expectations. The absolute worse. Ollie and others have warned never sell a narc/sociopath short in terms of how long they will sink.

      I had a discussion with husband, acouple days ago, I was talking about how I felt better, and brought up my grandmother and how she said "Shes taking too long to die". I said to him the minute I heard that I knew I was going to have to get the hell out, that I was too vulnerable with these health problems to be around that monster. I have had discussions with close friends and others, that if anything suspicious ever happens to me they know where to look. [to some that may sound "paranoid" but I know you don't think I am paranoid. I think she would have lined all of you up too. I had the weird thought about your mother and I used to think well yours was one that got caught and had the embarrasment of court, but I had the thought, yeah people will still kiss the butt of these sociopaths no matter what they do. Look what the politicians get "caught on" and no one cares, they still kiss their butts. They know they can manipulate people out of anything. I'm not sure how they pull that off but they do. Mine will have her butt kissed to kingdom come, no matter how many ruined lives end up being around her. I'm gone, and well I am sure they are still kissing her butt and she's finding new suckers.

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    2. Oh correction, how low they will sink. Its late. LOL

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  13. So much this:
    I think narcs destroy family lines, dreams and more. It's not just putting up with one "asshole" in the room it goes well beyond that doesn't it? I even have my weird dreams, what if I had a niece to love and visit me? Well that's been shattered.
    It's not a single thing it's a systematic destruction of all about you that used to be good.
    ALL OF IT!
    Some time as middle age approached I realized even the smallest dream of a normal life drew her attention and made her gravitate over and snuff it out.

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    1. Yes they destroyed everything they can. I believe more and more strings were pulled for the destruction of my husband's career, and I was forced into extreme poverty. He had a good review in Dec at that last job in 2007 and was out by Feb. After going NC I discovered so many family secrets, it's not funny, I also even discovered she had helped a cousin get a 6 figure job out of college, suspect it highly for another one with a 6 figure computer job in college--he got it while in school and other matters. So I figured out a lot. It was systematic destruction on down the line. She didn't miss one extended relative or family friend to destroy my reputation too. Even three years in, I discovered things like with "Betsy" and other matters. They are on a tear to destroy us no matter what. I have no hope of recovering the family or anyone in it, there's no trust or communication left, she destroyed it all. So yes even when we hit middle age, their sick games continue.

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  14. You really do get it don't you?
    Mine will have her butt kissed to kingdom come, no matter how many ruined lives end up being around her. I'm gone, and well I am sure they are still kissing her butt and she's finding new suckers.

    Mine just wore me and my sister down until we went NC and then she welcomed my ex wife in for the spoils. I'm still waiting for some sort of retribution to be visited on somebodies head but it never happens.

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    1. Yes they will kiss her butt forever. I gave up and walked. Hey to go NC with the whole lot, remember my fuel for that fire was seeing the disrespect of one aunt even in death. They ground her down to nothing and then left her to rot. She lived in WORSE poverty then me with absolutely nothing as her disgusting sister shopped til she dropped.

      I guess we will have to wait until they go to hell for justice and or retribution. Yes ACONs are worn down and finally when we are fed up and go NC, we realize there is no other solution.

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  15. Some "liberals" are elitists and socially conservatives who could make Paul Ryan look very liberal. If you go to an elite university in the Northeastern United States, you will find out elite institutions don't want poor people. I learned the hard way for the past 10 years that they don't want poor minority students in their schools or work place. They want those who grew up wealthy or who have social and educational capital by going to an elite prep school or college.

    If you hear how "liberal" socially conservative people respond to our arguments for class-based affirmative action in college admissions, you will notice that "liberal" Democrat hide in a corner and that "conservatives" Republicans are supportive. You will that research centers and scholars who study educational equity for poor and working-class students might be Republicans and Democrats argue for race-based affirmative action. If you look deeper, you will noticed that beneficiaries of race-based affirmative-action are not students like me. Instead, elite universities use "race-based affirmative action" in order to admit wealthy black students, black students who who are not descendant of slaves, black students who came from Africa and other foreign country and who has an African name, Latino student who look white, white students who were adopted by underrepresented minority parents, and other minority students who look white. Poor underrepresented minority students applied for admissions to elite universities but were rejected. I was one of them.

    Now, what about poor white people? They are as undesirables as poor non-white people. Liberal, socially conservative people have been socializing with fellow elites for years. Some started their socialization in elementary school, and a few started in preschool. Elites who grew up poor had a rough start in a prep school or in an elite university, but they had opportunities to socialize with other elites before they graduated from college. Those who were left out, poor whites and non-white people, are not well connected with elites, thus, they don't know the members of the ruling class who do want to be around with those who are left behind.

    The theory that white people in the U.S. are privileged started sometime in the 1980s or 1990s. Ronald Takaki, a Japanese professor ot the University of California-Berkeley, published his "A Different Mirror: A History of Multicultural America" in 1993. Several classes I attended used his book. It was an eye-opening book relevant for the time when Americans still felt negative effects of Reagan Administration of the 1980s. We still feel the pain today. Unfortunately, we are not together mainly because narc leaders and so-called socially conservative "liberals" have their own agenda. It is hard to explain. I just know that in the elite circles, non-white elites like to study slavery, inequality, poverty, prison-for-profit, and economy. They don't want us to gather together, discuss the truth, get closer, and protest against injustices in our lives.

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    1. I agree some of the Liberals, I guess they call them "neo-liberals" are socially conservative and would give Paul Ryan a run for his money.

      In the old days universities would make a point of offering hope for poor and working class people to move up and into the middle or above classes, now that's not happening they are being ostracized. If anything this is what built up the college and university system especially through the 40s into the 60s, this idea that individuals would improve themselves and rise up from their poor upbringings and that education was the way out.

      It's happening in the work world too, where even if you get the right creds, and college degrees, if you don't display the right class markers, you are not let in the door. There used to be this idea in America of moving up. The universities if anything are selling themselves to students overseas and impoverishing students with huge student loans. Yes there is racial discrimination and also now massive class discrimination among a multitude of races.

      I actually felt it when I was trying to get teaching jobs that I was "not the right class" too, and noticed that many suburban married and securely middle class women would have far more hope of mainstream teaching jobs then I did. This was at a variety of schools. I ended up teaching in all inner city schools as a substitute teacher and then later in the juvenile home.

      I am not surprised that the universities are going for wealthy overseas people of other races instead of poor minority Americans. I am sorry this happened to you. Poor whites are being pushed aside all the time for immigrants and immigrants with money, why not poor native born blacks? It's happening to them too.

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    2. Yes poor whites are undesirables now too. We don't fit in anywhere and our own communities have been destroyed, so many poor whites, and poor blacks I am guessing too have been forced into economic nomadism and many poor whites have been disenfranchised out of their own families.

      Yes liberal socially conservative elites, do have their own social circles. This may be a weird example but one thing when I was researching Queen Spider's social circles, they were very intertwined where everyone knew each other [from high school and the all white rural town she hailed from] and she was friends ONLY with people of her class and above and NO ONE LOWER outside of a Aunt Scapegoat and Uncle Lost boy and his adult children.

      This was very eye opening to me in a strange way. Many Americans live in a bubble of sorts. My mother definitely does and lives in a upper middle class neighborhood where she meets and talks only to people of her own type [and race too by the way]

      Elite liberals and others only speak with other elites. When I did this article..

      http://fivehundredpoundpeeps.blogspot.com/2013/09/money-snobs-and-narcissists.html

      I think I hit something on the head, in that when I entered my families lauded suburban world, it was like entering another world with its own rules.

      I believe class discrimination has worsened in America too, and now if you are the wrong socioeconomic class you will become disenfranchised even from your own "family"
      Many people are out of touch completely with how poor whites and poor blacks, hispanics and others have to live and the reality of their lives. We see this in the politics definitely, and the liberals who were raised in the suburbs and seen little of life on the other side, we are suffering immensely for their utter cluelessness. Even their focus on race, while ignoring class issues is part of the "ignorance"
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    3. Many even deny the very existence of poor whites outside of Appalachia. Many also put all black people into the same "herd" and see all black people as poor inner city people living a certain lifestyle which is pounded on in our media. They stereotype people making them all the same. I supposed this is done to poor whites as well, supposedly we are all drinkers, smokers, meth-heads, and "live improperly too".

      I remember before the 1990s, it was accepted that poverty was extreme for many whites. Appalachia and other poor white areas of America did receive some attention. Interesting book perhaps I should read it. I took a college class on multiculturalism before, but did not read that one. I believe things are far worse since the days of Reagan, but they have managed to silence many poor members of society. They have made many segments of the population "invisible".

      Perhaps this feeling of invisibility fuels Black Lives Matter, surely many are outraged at the endless police brutality. Ignorant people like Trump who call for more "law and order" crack downs are scary. He lives in a glorified world where he has no understanding of how poverty and community break down is affecting many lives.

      There are some elites who will discuss slavery but ignore the new "Jim Crow slavery" [see book of that title] in the prisons where corporations are using prison slave labor, paying pennies on the dollar and taking jobs away from law-abiding people. There is a reason so many are being locked up especially poor black people for extended periods of times and this is the reality of the drug war and while they keep it going even though it is a failure. They make money off people and the whole system.

      As for inequality and oppression, both left and right seem firmly for the police state and against economic equality and opportunity for Americans. They bemoan the state of our ghettos and crime but then vote in liberal leaders who send billions of dollars overseas and don't care about American society life or infrastructure or people here having stable jobs or income.

      I do believe they have their own agenda, and the last thing they want is people of all races getting together discussing the truth and facing the oppression head on and protesting injustice. I also believe they want people afraid of each other. I don't want to be seen as the "evil white oppressor" when I go to the inner city neighborhoods I am in at least once a week when I am not housebound. I just want to talk to other people. No they want the differences focused on and want everyone at each other's throats.

      The people who have money live in a bubble and even try to write the reality for poor people. There's a few exceptions who get some what of a voice out there like the guy who wrote Evicted. But ever notice how the voice of the working class or poor of all races has been silenced in this country?

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  16. Some people are born poor and some have poverty thrust upon them. If your family is headed up by a Narcissist you will have the latter. I used to not agree with the theory that it is born from their pathological envy for us. But as time go's buy it's really the only thing that makes sense. They appear when times are good and disappear after they run the car off the cliff. Speaking of running the car into a ditch I would like for bruinrunninggal75 to accept my apology for doing just that. She is trying to stick to the subject matter and I am doing everything but that. Sorry I'll try to do better.

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    1. I believe more and more when a scapegoat is chosen, most of the time barring good luck, extreme talent and early escape, poverty will come knocking on their door, for most forever and for some for at least a short time. I used to not believe the pathological envy, I used to think what does she have to envy me for? Obviously she wanted to destroy her sister who had absolutely nothing. Yes they appear when times are good for narc supply and disappear after the bottom falls out.

      I was kept away like an embarrassing red-headed stepchild, the fatter I got and more poor I was. My slide from the working class even changed the formula. Well this discussions of narcs and poverty and race is related. I don't think in other cultures or minority cultures that people are allowed to destroy and ostracize family members as extreme as in ours. In black culture I noticed [and remember I'm someone who lived and worked in all black neighborhoods] even relationships between extended family members were far closer. One knew their uncles, aunts, and cousins.

      The talking head liberals will never address that or even the new sociological phenomenon of white middle class and upper middle class people with adult children who have slid down the ladder and who cut them off as "punishment" or even do everything they can to ruin their economic fortunes.

      Everyone always envies the family togetherness of some immigrant cultures, there is economic loyalty that many white American people don't have anymore for their own family members. In the old days, someone with my mother's wealth and connections would have been shamed by the town for their treatment, they would not abided by one sister living in a falling apart trailer with no running water while another lived in 4,000 square feet. Same with your mother, in earlier times, shame and societal cohesion would have held her hand on handing everything over to a cheating ex-wife.

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  17. Let me make a correction on my mothers ass being kissed to kingdom come. I guess I was looking for retribution too hard and forgot the pesky detail of my mothers death. So god beat me to it. Though through forensics we have interpolated no remorse from her down to the bitter end. I would never rejoice at another persons death but hers makes me smile. One down and one ex-wife to go. I really need to shut up she leads a pretty wild life and I will be the first door they knock on if she dies a peculiar death.

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    1. They all think they will live forever but they don't. To be that is the scariest thing about narcissists, they never think of time or their own end, in that alone they show a lack of humanity.

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    2. I'm reading the comments here, and it has me thinking. Narcs really do destroy. And in my family it was so weird. I'm thinking about my brother who died at the tender age of 45. He was the momma's boy, who was quite attached to mother. Stayed home until he was in his thirties, behaved well, and always catered to mother. He loved mother so dearly, there was nothing she could say or do wrong. When he moved out and got married, she told his wife off, just because, no reason. Brother could not get close to mother after that. Mother would never allow it again. He died a few years after that, she was smirking the whole time, but got the title of the ever loving mother.

      Its funny how I call her "mother" here in the blogs. Its like a detached name, but at the same time, it brings up this power she had. Saying mother is like saying the abominable snowman, or sasquatch, or anything else that is evil.

      Evil never shows itself, it hides. Mother was good at that. But sorry, I'm off topic too, but the comments here make me think of something else.

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    3. Yes narcs destroy so much. Besides lost relationships, money and the rest, a lot of peace and happiness is destroyed. I have been pondering about how miserable they made me and for what reason? It was all stupid stuff. They had it pretty good and had easy adult lives with high paying 9-5 jobs. People do die young around narcs. 7 people died before age 60 in my mothers family and 6 of those in their 50s or before. I am not surprised your brother is a casualty. Even the GCs get medically destroyed from the constant pressure to "measure up", and his young death does not surprised me. He could be rare in that he did not allow momster to destroy his marriage like my brother did. His marriage was destroyed on the altar of my mother's constant put downs. I apologized to my husband that I had not gone no contact sooner because my mother put him down all the time although in this case never to his face. He was hated by her just for being with me.

      Yeah how dare your brother get a wife and not keep her on center stage? Sickening isn't it.

      I have to admit I hate the word "mother", I sometimes wonder if I froze down my own ovaries, LOL to get PCOS. Just have weird thoughts like that. I don't want to you the word MOM or mother for mine and refer to Queen Spider probably the most, LOL, some ACONS use egg donors. Yes evil does hide, that is the worse everyone else thinks this person is so great while they are evil to the core.

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