tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-650289478442133391.post6833551105712692779..comments2024-03-24T16:53:02.846-07:00Comments on Five Hundred Pound Peep: "You're Crazy!" When the Scapegoat is Labeled InsaneFive Hundred Pound Peephttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05862707335431442713noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-650289478442133391.post-70855752776422706922021-12-22T21:16:16.461-08:002021-12-22T21:16:16.461-08:00Post-traumatic Stress Disorder should not be a &qu...Post-traumatic Stress Disorder should not be a "disorder" at all. It should be called Defending Oneself Against Chronic Traumatic Abuse or something like that. It is not a disorder to be a kid who is attempting to survive in a siege environment. Anyone who is forced to live through child abuse is going to adapt to life in a different way than someone who does not have to endure that. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-650289478442133391.post-15102197895096592962015-10-18T19:58:53.548-07:002015-10-18T19:58:53.548-07:00It's good you got away even if it took longer,...It's good you got away even if it took longer, better late then never. I got away late too.Five Hundred Pound Peephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05862707335431442713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-650289478442133391.post-81018084919782768092015-10-18T19:58:31.955-07:002015-10-18T19:58:31.955-07:00I am sorry mulderfan the same stuff happened to yo...I am sorry mulderfan the same stuff happened to you. Sounds like they tried to destroy your older brother too, by giving him a bad name and labeling him as a criminal. They do that to kids too who are troubled from all the abuse and get a bit rowdy or in some young person trouble. That's horrible about the GC. I guess I'm used to the GCs doing well and getting money. I am glad you were able to have a career and your brother did well too.Five Hundred Pound Peephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05862707335431442713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-650289478442133391.post-57843234035208964142015-10-18T19:56:23.981-07:002015-10-18T19:56:23.981-07:00Thanks Tara. Wow the Vanderbilts locked someone aw...Thanks Tara. Wow the Vanderbilts locked someone away too. Horrible stuff. I have heard of wealthy husbands putting unwanted wives away and children. Yeah Bobby knew the score, scary stuff. Imagine seeing such evil done to a sibling. They probably learned to keep smiles on their face and keep bringing in the narc supply with their achievements. Surely some became narcs too. Yeah the richer the narcs the scarier things can get for you.Five Hundred Pound Peephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05862707335431442713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-650289478442133391.post-71832258550852161812015-10-18T00:00:46.739-07:002015-10-18T00:00:46.739-07:00GREAT ARTICLE! I read in history,that the first ,b...GREAT ARTICLE! I read in history,that the first ,businessman,in the Vanderbuilt family, got very rich doing dishonest govt. contract supplies; he got rich by being a big time crook. When he got tired of his wife, he had her thrown permanently in a mental asylum.---so wealthy families have a long history of getting rid of family members by locking them up permanently in funny farms.In the article I read, about the poor Mary Kennedy being given a brain-operation, her brother Bobby Kennedy didn't like their dad doing that to Mary, but he told someone that" he was afraid of complaining,cause the same thing would happen to him." ---which shows the horrible things that could happen to you, if you a member of the Kennedy family. ---the head of the clan could get irritated at you, and you'd be forced to get a lobotomy.SO MUCH for being a member of a very rich family!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05676106099759846037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-650289478442133391.post-15295419769183420442015-10-17T13:40:48.642-07:002015-10-17T13:40:48.642-07:00At a very young age (6 or 7) my parents started ca...At a very young age (6 or 7) my parents started calling me a "nutter" and threatened to lock me up in a nearby psychiatric hospital. At the same time they tried to send my late older brother to juvenile detention in the same city. I put myself through two universities (without their help because I was only a girl), went on to teach (mostly Special Education) for 33 years while my older brother got a PhD in Nuclear Physics and worked with the team that developed the MRI.<br />Meanwhile, my younger brother, their GC, went on to become an alcoholic/addict who has often relied on welfare and never held a real job in his whole life. Whenever my parents needed help in a crisis he simply disappeared.<br />So, who exactly is crazy here? Me, for hanging around as long as I did!mulderfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07500535934417551223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-650289478442133391.post-92052167567957420182015-10-16T09:18:20.031-07:002015-10-16T09:18:20.031-07:00Thank you TW. Since going NC I have been able to s...Thank you TW. Since going NC I have been able to see everything I went through objectively. Having a family and parents like this was much worse with my burdens. Even staying alive for me is a job! I didn't need their garbage on top of it and deserved a loving family.Five Hundred Pound Peephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05862707335431442713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-650289478442133391.post-38140844177261454792015-10-16T05:05:27.375-07:002015-10-16T05:05:27.375-07:00Add poverty, disability and chronic significant he...Add poverty, disability and chronic significant health issues to the mix and you better believe any normal person would experience a "siege response." The reality is not that you *feel* under siege but in fact you ARE and that siege effects the individual globally. The NFOO may be the major Terrorist Organization you're dealing with but they're far from the only one.<br />TWTundra Womanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12262066568878267648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-650289478442133391.post-81363655743461032622015-10-15T05:15:45.410-07:002015-10-15T05:15:45.410-07:00Yes they could lock you up back then just if someo...Yes they could lock you up back then just if someone wanted you locked up and being "incorrigible" was one way they did it. That is crazy that applied to age 35. Sheesh. I am glad it was repealed. Yes girls could get in trouble easily. Girls got the short end of the stick biologically as men could impregnant them and leave them holding the bag too and in the old days up into the 60s they would be sent to convents and other places during their pregnancies and the child put up for adoption. I hope less girls now get pregnant with birth control information so readily available but obviously we have the "keep them barefoot and pregnant" clan like the Duggars who would want all birth control done away with. <br /><br />I do think there have been some changes too since Rosemary's day. There are more built in protections, but sadly rich parents now would send Rosemary off to clean floors with toothbrushes at "jesus camp"--that one book where this girl and her brother with rapidly false Christian parents sent them one of those "troubled youth schools". I guess the control would be done via another route. I read they kidnap some of those kids to take them to those schools over seas without supervision:<br /><br />http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/index.php?board=9.0<br /><br />I am glad Verna was able to get out and marry her Chinese boyfriend.<br /><br />Five Hundred Pound Peephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05862707335431442713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-650289478442133391.post-36193846618463245102015-10-15T05:09:22.986-07:002015-10-15T05:09:22.986-07:00Hm the compliant stuff seems to describe me at dif...Hm the compliant stuff seems to describe me at different times but I relate. I know the seige stuff does too.<br /><br />"The siege response is one of defiance, rebellion, withdrawal and/or insensitivity. You work hard to prevent being manipulated by others, getting engulfed or enmeshed by others demands and feelings, assuming responsibility for others welfare and emotional well-being and from feeling diminished when you do not meet others expectations. In short, even though you are an adult, you are reacting to others as if they were your parents who expected and demanded that you meet their expectations. You decided at some point that you did not want to comply with your parents wishes and demands. You were trying to become separate and independent and had to fight hard to overcome being parentified. You are still fighting that battle with others in your life and this is negatively impacting your other relationships."<br /><br />"Life Themes<br />To get an idea of the persistent effects of parental destructive narcissism, take a moment to review this list of life themes that can result from a parental DNP. Do you display two or more of the following life themes?<br /><br />• Generalized dissatisfaction with self and the course of your life.<br />• Trying, but not succeeding, to be in emotional sync with others.<br />• Constant reflection on your flaws, incompetence, and other faults<br />• Lack of meaningful and satisfying relationships<br />• The inability to allow others to become intimate or close<br />• Meaning and purpose in your life is lacking<br />• There are interpersonal problems with family, friends and/or work relationships<br />• You constantly feel isolated and alienated (i.e. not connected to others)<br />• You are overwhelmed by others demands or expectations"<br /><br />I definitely am having some of those struggles, probably most ACONs do. I feel like I never measure up to people's demands, which is a whole other ball of wax. I think some of us had to "rebel" to survive. Five Hundred Pound Peephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05862707335431442713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-650289478442133391.post-48915275610157808992015-10-15T00:41:53.432-07:002015-10-15T00:41:53.432-07:00Regarding the fortress - there's an ACON site ...Regarding the fortress - there's an ACON site that mentions the 'siege response' and I think you might relate to this a lot! I know I do! http://www.wmeades.com/id211.htmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-650289478442133391.post-52313778307995886492015-10-13T09:55:36.727-07:002015-10-13T09:55:36.727-07:00Times have changed since poor Rosemary's youth...Times have changed since poor Rosemary's youth. In 1939 in Toronto a 19 year old woman called Velma Demerson was jailed for a year for having a Chinese boyfriend and being pregnant with his child. something that made her "incorrigible" at the time. This was done under a 1897 Act called the Female Refuges Act which allowed for the imprisonment of "incorrigible" females from ages 15 to 35 for up to two years, for anything from premarital sex to public drunkenness. This Act was repealed in 1964. <br /><br />I knew nothing of this when I was young but I do remember how easy it was for a girl to get into trouble for things that would be unnoticed in a boy. The penalties were extremely harsh by modern standards. I remember how hard it was to find out basic information about sex and that some girls went "all the way" with their boyfriends simply to find out what all the fuss was about.<br /><br />The social conditions of Rosemary's youth don't exist anymore. The degree of ignorance re sexual matters is impossible to enforce anymore due to the internet. Sexual repression is no longer part of the law, at least in most parts of the western world. Parental tyranny is no longer accepted without question. The fifties TV show called Father Knows Best isn't even rerun. I don't believe Rosemary's sad story could be repeated today, though modern women have other dangers and risks.<br /><br />By the way, Verna married her Chinese boyfriend after a year in jail. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-650289478442133391.post-18407725791590788382015-10-12T20:56:55.020-07:002015-10-12T20:56:55.020-07:00Yes they improved some rights, many states passed ...<br /><br />Yes they improved some rights, many states passed laws and set up protections to keep people from having enemies, narcs and sociopaths get them institutionalized. Many still lie and have connections to wiggle through the system but it's harder now.<br /><br />I believe with the long term hospitalizations especially of 20 years ago and beyond, people were discredited and maligned for life. This definitely happened to your siblings and most would believe a mask wearing narc. I know I am not believed so we all are familiar with that. I have never been psychiatrically hospitalized thank goodness. [only physical hospitalizations]<br /><br />It sounds like she put a red scarlet letter on their chest of "mentally ill" and yes this would deny them normal lives, employment especially employment that requires background checks and future family and spouses. Yes those are nightmare experiences that can give us all nightmares especially in realizing a system where the wicked can rail-road a vulnerable person so badly. <br /><br />I agree NC is the best. We need to do the papers to protect ourselves, maybe in your case you can undo your adoption. If I find out anymore about my true origins or if there is a birth family I would seek them out. I know for those without spouses there are agencies who will provide guardians if need be, there would be gamble with a stranger but better then any narcissist making your life decisions. <br /><br />Yes some ACONs due to health and other problems are stuck with the narcs. Some have held their social security money or even stolen it and spent it on themselves grabbing guardianship and claiming that someone cannot make good decisions to a court.<br /><br />Yes with a spouse, you want someone loyal who will never turn on you or team up with your narcissistic parent. Anyone who ends up with a narcissistic spouse and parent too, who team together against you, is in for a world of hurt.<br /><br />Thanks for your prayers anon. Yes no one wants to end up locked up like Rosemary Kennedy or having narcs make guardianship decisions. I am stable and lucid and never have been mentally incapacitated where I have been out of my mind. I have counselors I have talked to about my life and both agreed with NC and one told me that I and my husband were doing the best we could. So sorry for your loss with your brother. That is so evil and wrong what happened to him. I am sad to hear your sister is still with a job program in a mental hospital even this many years out. No you have nothing to be thankful of with a narc woman adopting you. <br /><br />locked up like Rosemary Kennedy and my adopted siblings. Several people you mentioned were able to get out after several months to several years in a mental hospital. My adopted brother died at the age of 32. One of his addresses that was posted was a hospital that includes in-state mental hospital listed in the state mental health website. My younger adopted sister did not have a job listed in her Facebook page. Instead, she listed her volunteer experience with a job program with a mental hospital. I am not thankful that a narc woman adopted me. Five Hundred Pound Peephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05862707335431442713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-650289478442133391.post-76352925841646297102015-10-12T20:56:37.620-07:002015-10-12T20:56:37.620-07:00Hi Anon, Yes I had tons of gaslighting. I didn'...Hi Anon, Yes I had tons of gaslighting. I didn't get committed but it was a constant threat they held over my head especially at that age. At 18, I was already with my own private counselors at college and asking for their protection if I ever needed it. <br /><br />I always have been horrified by what happened to your two siblings. Since two were committed it seemed they would take a second look at your adoptive mother but she had the position in social work to fool everyone.<br />It sounds like one was diagnosed for fighting back against your mother. That is how they work it, if you "fight" back, the narcissistic parents run crying to the counselors and others to label the child as the "problem". I believe this is why I sunk into the wall paper in high school. I did not rebel against my narcs until I was over the age of 18. I think I knew they could hurt me good before I was of age and I was right. Many young people get caught up in the system because of lying narcissistic parents. Some really are troubled from all the abuse but the wicked sociopathic parents play martyrs and lie about behaviors and more, and act innocent and say "I don't know why they did that".<br /><br />I bet the stuff about your adoptive siblings biological parents was made up, this was so she could drive them into the hospital saying they inherited their bipolar or manic depression or whatever else they diagnosed them with.<br /><br />Wow with your evil adoptive mother having a brother in the mental health system who worked actively against your adoptive siblings to put them away. Yes she had to label them as crazy and them into the mental health system to cover her tracks, especially if they talked and shared their abuse. Her social work career was in danger which it deserved to be of course.<br /><br />continuing..Five Hundred Pound Peephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05862707335431442713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-650289478442133391.post-28115441364086342292015-10-12T19:24:49.054-07:002015-10-12T19:24:49.054-07:00Hi Peep,
Sorry to hear that you have been gaslit...Hi Peep, <br />Sorry to hear that you have been gaslit and dealt with narcs who wanted to committed you to a locked up place so you could not make your decision or have your life anymore. These things happened to my adopted siblings. Two of them dealt with soul killing involuntary commitment that their self-esteem got toasted. One sibling was labelled as having maniac depressive disease for yelling and hitting our adopted narc mother and running away from home. My adopted narc mother also claimed that she checked on my adopted siblings biological parents and “learned” that their biological parents “were alcoholic, had mental illness” and the biological mother was in a “hospital.” My adopted sister was bitter and angry and her half-brother (my adopted brother) hated our adopted narc mother. <br />My adopted narc mother’s ass was on the line so she enlisted help from her brother and his friend to commit my adopted brother and a younger adopted sister. Her brother’s friends worked with the state mental hospital programs and looks very narcish and scary. They were committed because my adopted narc mother did not want to adopt them and chose to shut them up. She dealt with legal cases from people who wanted to adopt my sister after she was discarded. <br />My adopted mother was angry that the was exposed so she moved out of town 4 hours away and made sure that her brother’s friends helped her to make sure they are evaluated, hospitalized and labeled, gaslit, brainwashed, and got locked up. They were dead heads and very detached people. <br />Even though people with biological psychological disability have better opportunities today with medication and better doctors who do 72 hours emergency treatment, my adopted brother and sister obviously did not experience civil rights and respect. They dealt with long-term mental hospitalization and loss of respect and dignity, meaning society discredited them. They lost their credibility and respect so they did not find a spouse or have children. People did not want to marry them because of “severe mental illness” that was “genetics.” I still have nightmares about these people’s experiences. <br />These are examples of the reasons why NC is the best and staying in contact with narcs due to child custody issues and financial or health reasons is horrible. I know some ACONs are still in contact their narc parents and ex-spouse because of their children, health problem, or because their narc parents are holding their Social security income or are withholding money and resources. Narc ex-spouses are nightmare as well, especially if you get divorced and have children with him or her. <br />These are one of the reasons why we have to be picky with whom we choose for our future spouse. If you don’t play your cards right or chose a right spouse, you could end up marrying a person who is like your narc parent, and who would team up with your narc parent to take your children away from you or commit you. Please stay away from narcs. If you were adopted, please find ways to reverse your adoption, especially if your reunited with your non-narc biological or foster parents. <br />I will pray for you and your husband, Peep. You don’t want to end up locked up like Rosemary Kennedy and my adopted siblings. Several people you mentioned were able to get out after several months to several years in a mental hospital. My adopted brother died at the age of 32. One of his addresses that was posted was a hospital that includes in-state mental hospital listed in the state mental health website. My younger adopted sister did not have a job listed in her Facebook page. Instead, she listed her volunteer experience with a job program with a mental hospital. I am not thankful that a narc woman adopted me. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-650289478442133391.post-10720830147351873032015-10-12T10:19:56.168-07:002015-10-12T10:19:56.168-07:00I got the "you have no common sense" com...I got the "you have no common sense" comments and was told directly I turned out lousy as well. Sorry you felt depressed enough to sleep so much. I can understand the escape from reality. I lived in books to escape mine early on. I was always told, "you can't cope" too. No one ever questioned the garbage we both coped with. Five Hundred Pound Peephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05862707335431442713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-650289478442133391.post-45575209024422378672015-10-12T10:17:07.379-07:002015-10-12T10:17:07.379-07:00LOL yeah it definitely was a compliment coming fro...LOL yeah it definitely was a compliment coming from her. I doubt she had anything new to say in the end. Considering the source there, that one definitely was exposed as what she was, a ruthless sociopath.Five Hundred Pound Peephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05862707335431442713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-650289478442133391.post-14161260688819226322015-10-12T08:23:38.591-07:002015-10-12T08:23:38.591-07:00Mother said that I was stupid, and with all the &q...Mother said that I was stupid, and with all the "care" she gave me, I turned out so lousy. I remember as a teenager, I would sleep a lot. I couldn't cope with life, and that was my fault. I was already ready for the institution, I remember feeling like reality was slipping away, and I didn't know what to do. <br /><br />In the end, everyone said that I couldn't cope with mother. That I couldn't get along. I can see that as a compliment.Joan Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07775873193806083833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-650289478442133391.post-50973617123079262902015-10-11T16:21:33.350-07:002015-10-11T16:21:33.350-07:00All in all having my mother call me crazy (or a dr...All in all having my mother call me crazy (or a drug addict who couldn't tell the difference between fantasy and reality) was a compliment. I have yet to talk to someone who talked to her at the end, but if I do I would tell them to consider the source. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com