Fat Logic and Whitney Thore: An Illustration of the Fat Lies on Both Sides

http://www.people.com/article/whitney-thore-collapse-wake-up-call

Fat Logic Rips on Whitney Thore

Exercise your way into near death with your heart put into a gallop and you are still a bad for being fat and it's all YOUR FAULT! What I hate is the illusion of control that they supposedly say all fat people have with their weight. Thin people eat pizza and don't die and become 400lbs. I have to eat pizza only once or twice a month, it is not an every week food. Fat Logic is a fat hater website I have posted on before. In their illusionary world, if a fat person "eats healthy" and lives "proper", they will be automatically thin.

Whitney Thore's collapse brings back memories of when I was trying to fight my weight gain and the spells of dizziness, almost passing out, extreme sweat, heart feeling like it's going to beat out of my chest, and in my case, the asthma and COPD came to play too so that meant trying to suck in air too. Once Fat Logic dissed me talking about walking 2-3 miles and considering that "exercise", well I was doing what I could before my body imploded, hmm I guess to those freaks, anything short of a triathalon just isn't good enough!

Fat people get no breaks, so even Whitney Thore who exercises until she literally drops is considered a lazy "fat" piece of crap by these people and that if she "just ate normally" she'd be normal sized like her 70 year old parents. This is the lie on that side, that all obesity is caused by bad behavior. As I have said for years, what part of this is not all under people's control do some not get?

But now I am going to go to the other side.....and I am not going to give Whitney Thore a total break either. Whitney Thore has a show called "My Big Fat Fabulous Life". The lies and cognitive dissonance of selling "fat" as being a fabulous condition is breaking down. Just like the show Sister Wives has shown polygamy to be a failed state for women and children, this show is showing us that delusionary side of size acceptance. What does size positivity mean when your own body is a jerk to you? Why can't we stand up against discrimination against fat people without the overcompensation and saying, "Everything's great and I'm happy to be fat!"

Fat hurts, Fat makes the body break down. The "happy to be fat" thing is a lie. Whitney with her big smiles and happy go lucky bouncy personality is the epitome of what I have talked about. Instead of this country facing realities about the skyrocketing obesity rates which I believe have deeper environmental and other factors then "poor personal behavior", we are sold this lie that being fat is a great condition to be in. This is one area in our society where America's focus on positivity at all costs is going to burn people big time. It's keeping the other side in business like this is ALL A CHOICE.

As I wrote in "Seeing Through the Obesity Lies" both the diet industrial-personal responsibility and the extreme fat acceptance--selling of fat sides are propping each other up. What are we to make of Whitney Thore whose own body is betraying her? Whose so desperate to appear happy? As I got to her size circa 1996 and later peaked out in late 1997 at near 700lbs , I knew I was dying mid 400lb weight gain. I wasn't smiling about it or assuring people how happy and fabulous life was. It sucked. A lot of people got angry too at me in size acceptance. What are we to think of Whitney Thore whose own body is destroying her happiness at every turn? Exercise is a failure for her obviously. It's not improving her health. It didn't do much for me but make me bloat more. I cleaned out some of my apt yesterday driving my blood sugars up--I haven't figured out why more activity is giving me higher blood sugars but it does. Will ditching the pizza and eating kale salad, change her life? I was promised such things that didn't pan out. Their diet dreams are lies to me. I'm always cooking and doing the "healthy eating" but it didn't give me a new body either.

For years I have talked about how the fat acceptance movement ignored what fat itself did. Whitney is sick. Whitney is headed down my road. I believe she has something wrong with her beyond PCOS. She indulges in the delusion I have warned of on this blog for years and been disgusted by. The thin smug people surrounding her engage her but you can see the rolling eyes and patronization. When they do a mock funeral for her, it is more of the patronization and societal disrespect of fat people. Here we have the same type of narcissistic personality shown such as was displayed on the show Ruby. Could they ever show us a fat person who reads and is serious? I guess not. The androgens in her body are probably sky-high even with the bald spot I saw on her head.

Whitney's body is not working like other people's. Exercise is not taking weight off. Exercise is not burning off  the "fattening" food she is eating. Whitney is getting sick. If she put her heart in A-Fib or it is not beating correctly from over-exercise, she is probably not long for this world especially with her pushing herself.  She indulges in the delusion I have warned of on this blog for years. Her show too has propaganda to make fat people look bad! Whitney rips her pants in the store because her butt is so big! Whitney's legs go side ways as she skies. Whitney and her mother buy a piglet for a pet, get it fat people and pigs? Fat people on a pro-fat show remain buffoons.

I would like Whitney Thore to come to my conclusions, and say "Look being fat is more complicated then these two lies, I have been handed" but I doubt it will ever happen. Obviously she loves to exercise, so even knowing the fat is costing her the dancing, should make her start asking questions and not going with the status quo. I don't see it happening sadly. I also now see the trend among the fat haters and it's being strengthened via these shows where people are writing things like "PCOS is not an excuse."  They sell more lies in the inverse. All medical conditions are not an excuse. Dieting works don't you know? Yeah right. Even Whitney's example will be used to sell the diets as we see exercise fail her. In delusion world, on one side all bodies work the same, and on the other being fat is something to be celebrated and one can be a dancer even as 200lbs and more piles on. "No Body Shame" may keep her from being more abused but it won't address the main problem.

I'm sick of it all.

Whitney Thore and The Life of Fat Women

Sometimes there's far more wrong than being fat. That applies to Whitney Thore, she has many problems in addition to obesity. Hey that's true for my life, I deal with a lot more then being five hundred pounds on both the emotional and physical front. Just becoming deaf, is pretty big, and maybe I should post about that a bit. 

  My concerns about this show, is that it puts fat women in such a bad light. It doesn't offer us help or anything concrete to look to.  It's entertainment but what kind of messages about fat people is this show putting out? Is the public going to become more sympathetic to us or less?  Whitney has a lot more problems then just the obesity. The show also shows the limits of the "fat and sassy" stuff. Remember the years when I got in debates with size acceptance people for talking about the limitations of HAES and when I told Marilyn Wann to go visit a nursing home with super-fat people?

On a recent show, Whitney Thore was shown taking a trip with a Fat Women Traveling Group. It exposed a lot to me. Here's a caveat, being so different, I would not fit into the fat woman group either. I am on the autistic spectrum and have anxiety disorders.  Obviously people who can afford travel and a trip like that are in different shape to me. The women seem nice but I am not into twerking and there's no bathing suits that would fit me. Damn I loved the tricycles, I want one, wish I could afford one. You know I found a bicycle company about a year ago for fat people, they even go up to 550lbs.

You can see her problems right there next to them all. She's pretty, she's actually made up well, and all the women were wearing very nice clothing, and looked great. But you can see the personality stuff. You can tell they almost feel sorry for her. Such as when she is talking about her Frenchman. You can see their unease and worry. The immaturity is glaring.

One fellow fat traveler, Rebecca was trying to warn her, like you are falling into this same trap with the guy in France again like with Avi. Rebecca had dated and been conned by Avi too. Being fat you have to be careful in the dating world and I had exploitive men try to come after me too when I was young.

If you are Super-fat, toxic men will try and mess with you. I had strange men attempt stalking on me and other crazy stuff. As past readers here know, I was raised uber Catholic even though I deconverted from family's church which meant I was a late life shy virgin and so not as likely to have sex with them. I also was too autistic for the exploitive men to understand or get with.  These men fortunately rejected me for my weirdness and for being a bookworm.

I was able to avoid exploitive men though or being used by one, and married my first love, but these special circumstances protected me. Many fat women sadly have to deal with these kind of men. Well all women do but with super fat women the risks are higher. How come Whitney doesn't talk honestly about this? She encourages the exploitation of fat women by toxic men in her own man and baby hunger. She's a walking cliche of the desperate fat spinster. She dates men who dump her for thin women, ignores the guy [Lenny] whose actually physically attracted to her and makes the worse dating choices possible. 

 She's definitely no feminist rebel against the system on our behalf. She's taking the crumbs and that makes me mad. I wish we had a fat strong women who wouldn't take crap from men. This is the worse personality for young fat women to watch and be instructed on love lives. This may sound weird from deconverted me but perhaps the nuns and others who instilled all these high ideals in me about love, protected me from some of the worse.  

Toxic men do prey on super fat women. They tried it with me and failed. Rebecca was trying to break through Whitney's wall, because it seemed like she learned her lesson and Whitney was just repeating the same mistake. I got frustrated because I wanted Rebecca to be more direct but she did at least get Whitney to ask if the Frenchman was another AVI....Well yes.

The other women do seem to have more sense of self, and career success and a presence. I do envy their confidence. I see Whitney lacking. Whitney tries too hard. While Whitney has a TV show and fame, she lacks this inner peace and stamina inside, that the other fat women have. It is something I have had to work on, like I got to the edges of it via ACON recovery and going no contact from abusers. I do think of recovery messages all the time in my head. I think Whitney should go into therapy. She is messed up inside too from feeling like she is "not enough", that will mess people up. 

Whitney I think has something odd with the parents she needs recovery from. They don't seem overtly "abusive" [Whitney was never hit, or yelled at or stuff like that as far as we know] but there's some weirdness with Babs I pick up on. I read Babs as having some elements of covert narcissism that have carried over to Whitney. Babs comes out with passive aggressive stuff all the time with a dark undertone. One thing to notice with Babs is while she appears "nice" there are a lot of disguised comments, like compliments with a bite, is the best way I can describe it. Babs has poor boundaries too always saying sexual things that are over the top too, Babs doesn't touch people but crosses people's boundaries that way--the apple may not have fallen far from the tree.

Whitney could have been in a golden child role. Whitney obviously believes she has to perform to please them. She is in this weird trap. It's given her drive, and ironically fame, but she is having problems with all her relationships and doesn't have a calm or peaceful presence.

You can tell she is comparing herself to these women and considering herself not to be "enough", the jealousy is busting out from her to the immense. I am a 4 on the Enneagram, we can be jealous types and it is a "shadow" I have to deal with but damn she is so jealous of them, it's insane, like green eyed monster has taken over, and scared not to be the center of attention. This goes with her lack of inner fortitude. Something is missing there. I see a nice group of women, and she is there to compete and one up them all. They can pick up on it too.  They can see her emotional abuse fueled shame and other problems. They ask her to teach them some dancing but instead she twerks around and destroys personal bodily boundaries slapping all the women on the butt.

I do think there could be some implicit personality disorder as discussed here. The top theories are BPD and NPD, she seems to show multiple narcissistic traits, and that "hot" and "cold" stuff.  She seems to fear abandonment and is unable to spend time alone.  This explains a lot of the weirdness with Buddy where one minute he's the greatest thing since sliced bread and the next she turns on him putting him down. The clinginess, endless demands, loudness, crossing of boundaries and the constant quests for every room to have her as the center of attention, all speak to some sort of personality disorder.

She idealizes Buddy and then trashes him all within 20 minutes. I am often curious at Buddy's past, did he face abuse growing up? It makes me wonder why he is in the abusive dance with her too. One thing with people abused when young is the dysfunctional relationships and even friendships can continue late into adulthood.  This happened to me. Someone taught Buddy that this was how one was supposed to be treated though I think sobriety and probably "recovery" classes are waking Buddy up. I was in a depression recovery and peer group a few years and it helped wake me up to get out of abusive relationships including friendships.

She treats her friends horribly. I feel bad for Ashley and Heather because I keep thinking betrayal is coming girls, unless they remain "mirrors".

I question this show a lot, but sometimes even ask "Why was this person chosen as the example for living happy while fat?" It could be called "My Big Fat Miserable Life." She has a TV show and fame, and you can tell she doesn't feel like "enough" and she has some problems. I think she needs to address. Being super fat can mess people up. You know I deal with some crazy stuff because of it but she's not in a good place at all. 

Fat, sassy and active is possible at stable midsized weights. some of the women at the Fat Ladies Traveling group were midsized and looked like they could maintain a life, though some better focus on weight stability to make sure this does not change. Some were above 300, and probably most likely would face some health issues. 

Rebecca however is near disability, and large enough to be disabled if she is not very soon. I could wear Rebecca's clothing, I have more of a hanging stomach from my fatter past. She looks like she weighs in the high 400s to even low 500s. My last weigh in was 515lbs. Rebecca seems to be a very nice person, and I wish she was the star of this show. 

As people here know I have CFS and complex autoimmune problems most people have never heard of even beyond the Lipedema stage 4.  Yesterday I went to get a blood test, did some gardening --tearing out my cucumber vines that died, two veggie stands, a small estate sale, and cooked curry for dinner. I am exhausted today and in bed, because my swelling got out of control. Add in autism. Autism and autoimmune diseases go together too. 

I am seeing a nutritionist for the extreme uric acid they now think is from a rare inherent condition instead of anything I am eating and focusing now on getting more help. The rehab and clinic thing is complicated. I'm talking now to a nutritionist and others about what I should do. I may need to explore going to a pain clinic. Every time I try to be active at all, the pain gets out of control. The joint and other pain is hurting me. I am being what my brain calls "lazy" right now but laying in this bed has dampened down the pain. It creates this weird cycle in my head that troubles me. There's times I am literally limping at the end of a day.

One issue for me in the size acceptance world, as people here know who have read my much early articles on this blog from the early 2010s, is too many of them denied the health effects of severe obesity.  While I have seen some improvements in this arena, Whitney is definitely still stuck in the old mode. Does being superfat have to be tied to denying reality? Sure I can't stand the diet brokers and fat bigots either but isn't she playing into their hands?

I remember those days still where I told Marilyn Wann on a online message board under another name that I was 700lbs and dying. She invalidated me. I did have many things wrong and I went on to live for 25 plus more years. 

Whitney doesn't know it but she is very close to being disabled. 50 more lbs. and she may not be able to walk. I was very tall, almost 6 feet when young so could carry a lot more weight. I lost a massive amount of height and am only 5 foot 7 inches now. Whitney is short as hell so 400lbs on her, would be equal to 500lbs on a taller person. Whitney's clothes would fit me but would all be "too short". If she is as "wide" as me, she is in big time trouble. I still hold to my theory that she has Lipedema. I could be wrong but I noticed the tell-tale sign of leg lumpiness, though she doesn't seem to have the ankle cuffs, when she attempted to go tubing on her birthday.

Her body is breaking down you can see it, and age worsens this. One thing that is unusual about me is I am into health food, and will not eat processed food, desserts, or "normal American food", I already would be dead. I don't see Whitney eating vegetables, salads or cooked food, but microwaved crap out of cans. How come we never see WHAT she eats? That seems to point to some possible problems with food addiction, we don't know her eating and other habits. If she was open with those, it would help others too. How come she shows no interest in cooking, eating, or nutrition? Whitney could even prove what she eats via her show and talk about weight in a honest fashion. If she has satiety issues and hunger problems she could talk about it. I told my nutritionist, I can stick to regular meals during the day, but I have intense hunger all the time. Lay it out on the table. Why hide everything? If she didn't hide stuff she could either get help for medical problems underlying the obesity, or get help for any would be food addiction. 

Whitney could lose her show, from a health crisis alone, a hurt leg, cellulitis bout, or other health issue. She can't keep up now, and age alone will end all the feigned athleticism. She could end up on a walker too. I think she needs a cane now for balance and to walk around safely, but some may disagree with me. I have watched her at the gym and she seems to do little cardio. I am not in shape, but determined even when I did the gym, that one needed to do a sustained activity for 15-20 minutes at least to get some heart and lung benefits. I don't see her doing this. She does a lot of weights and grunts and pulls but no sustained cardio. That was always strange to me, when they showed her exercise segments.  

She is in denial about how bad of shape she is in. They do this to people in size acceptance world, I used to protest it and HAES. There was a healthism in that world and still is where only the healthy are embraced, I used to tell people in NAAFA at 700lbs I was sick and dying, and they'd get pissed because I wasn't presenting the picture of the happy sassy fat woman. As people know my own history with the size acceptance movement is very fraught with controversy. Don't get me started how the fat and sassy crap doesn't work for those of us on the autistic spectrum.

Whitney is stuck dancing as fast as she can. She would do a service more to other fat people and herself if she got real. I have needed endless medical support to even stay alive this long. You don't want to know how many specialists I see. I have something like 7 doctor appointments in the next month. She actually has more health resources then me, she doesn't have autoimmune disease, she can breathe properly [the gym wasn't even possible for me until I was on a strong enough COPD medicine], she has money, she has a loving family. She needs to go to some damn doctors and therapists instead of playing at being a trainer. She is close to being disabled. When that happens, there will be no more show. She could help a lot of fat people having such a platform. It could have been used for so much better. 

Fat Activists Trying to Prove They Can Exercise Like Thin Athletic People

There's a new trend out there, and Whitney Thore followed it too, where fat activists are getting into exercise and doing 5Ks and proving how "healthy" they are and that by doing so they will "prove" it is great to be fat. I do support fat people and others exercising as best they can and doing what they can, but there is something strange about the constant push for proving yourself worthy as a fat person via "fitness" and athletic events by some fat activists. It seems to be a new and strong trend out there.

Some are claiming one fat activist named Ragen Chastain "cheated" on a 5 K race.

https://truthaboutragen.wordpress.com/2016/06/30/road-to-tempe-2016-ragen-the-cheater/

I don't know if Ragen cheated or not but I can't walk 5 miles. Maybe she got in, wanted to "prove herself" as so much of her blog is centered on proving herself to be a great athlete, knew she was in over her had and gave in to temptation.  I'd be putting my thumb out for a car ride! But something worries me here, what are the exercising until they drop fat activists trying to prove? That being fat doesn't slow one down? That reality doesn't exist? That they have to match everyone else in athletic achievements to be worthy?

And why do the CICO believers always claim all fat people are lying, what part don't they GET that even fat people who bang their heads on the wall to go feel the burn, and LIVE the lifestyle they are often told to go live like running 5 Ks often are fighting a losing battle with their own bodies!

I had this discussion at that website:

ME: I am confused as to why these large fat people feel they have to compete in races to prove themselves worthy. I have spoken about some of the healthism in size acceptance. It seems there is some dishonesty in their desire to “prove that they are like everyone else”.

I can’t walk a mile even perhaps a block on a good day and it used to be a lot less then that. I walked some yesterday, and had a ton of errands to do on a non-housebound day and my stage IV Lipedema kicked my butt and gave me horrible pain–I swell up terrible from exertion and could barely walk by the end of the day with severe pain. Everyday for me is forcing myself to get through in pain. There are women with high stage Lipedema who end up in nursing homes and wheelchair bound through no fault of their own. The whole exercise and lose weight thing gets subverted on it’s head with this severe disorder. This is a trap I would not wish on my worse enemy. Lipo-lymphedema means all exertion makes my body swell up with fluid.

I believe Whitney Thore has some horrible physical endocrine or other condition, with PCOS can come androgen and other disorders. I don’t know what she eats, but it seems her love for movement and exercise would be taking weight off.

My concern about Ragen is this whole “fat and healthy” thing at all costs. The whole “Im going to compete in a triatholon” bothers me! She’s trying to prove something that is simply not true.

I am looking into joining a gym for the medically fragile hopefully finances will not be a barrier and even there I fear more swelling and bad outcomes but I try. I have done physical therapy to even KEEP walking and yesterday some woman came up to me in shock I can even walk, I was walking through an Aldis I didn’t use to be able to walk in, being told, WOW I am glad you are so brave to keep going. LOL Lady you don’t know the half of the story. She was nice so I don’t blame her.

I wish the fat logic and healthy thin crowd would understand that not all bodies work the same, and many of us have tried to exercise and eat healthy with no where near the same results. The promise of CICO is failing many of us but we just get called liars. Perhaps some of you should ask why are people like Whitney Thore and Ragen holding so much weight on with their desire to exercise all the time?

and I wish that the fat and “I want to walk 5 miles” and prove I’m just like thin people crowd, would get a clue too. Weight does slow people down. I have taken issue with the likes of Marilyn Wann for years. They can’t claim the fat is NOT holding them back. It’s not reality. There is also the healthism and the underlying message that the only good fatty is the one who can walk in triatholons and who will push themselves until they drop like Whitney Thore. My lungs went before I got fat too.

http://fivehundredpoundpeeps.blogspot.in/2011/01/health-at-any-size-and-healthism-in.html


CICO BELIEVER: The “promise of CICO” isn’t failing you. You are. Eating less would help your finances, as well as whatever conditions you have. If you can’t affect the calories out then affect the CALORIES IN.

Frankly I don’t care how hard it is for you to put less food in your mouth, do it.


ME: 

I did, it’s not working.

You all adhere to that like a religion. Look at those women, one even danced until she collapsed and ended up in the hospital. They are still fat. Why isn’t the exercise burning any of the fat off? Even if they “overeat” and I don’t know what either eat, shouldn’t it be HELPING the CICO equation?

” Perhaps some of you should ask why are people like Whitney Thore and Ragen holding so much weight on with their desire to exercise all the time? ”

——-

ANOTHER CICO BELIEVER:

Well, for people like Ragen and Whitney it’s because they are both liars and don’t exercise *nearly* as much as they claim. Whitney was a normal weight until her mom stopped cooking her meals. PCOS doesn’t cause that much weight gain, and it also doesn’t cause her to eat a bucket of ice cream as she did on the show. Ragen is just pathological.

It’s true that there are many reasons why people gain weight, or find it hard or impossible to lose it. And yes, that is often overlooked by the fit crowd, especially if they young and healthy themselves. It is frustrating, I get that. I have severe upper back problems myself and it limits everything I do in life, including exercise.

But the reality is that it’s people like Whitney and Ragen and the HAES crowd that are making it difficult for people who do actually have something physically limiting them. They are so loud and so obnoxious that they are warping the whole size acceptance discourse into a fight between fat and fit, with nothing in between and no nuances left. That’s the real shame.

CICO BELIEVER:
Other than those with Prader-Willi or some other mental incompetence there is no reason any person cannot lose weight. Eating less is not some sort of “journey”. It’s something you do because you realize it would be beneficial and then you just do.

These people are phonies but people who believe that they can’t lose weight aren’t any less delusional.

ME:
Sure [I meant to write some here] people can lose weight but keeping it off is another matter. I’m more then 200 down from my peak and have been for over 10 years but I’m still fat. Who would choose to be fat? You act like everyone’s body is the SAME.

ME:
That seems like an extraordinary weight gain just from having someone not cooking for you anymore. When she was a teen, wasn’t she out with friends or buying things in the school cafeteria? Wouldn't she have an eating disorder making her fat if that was her real problem by her teens? PCOS does cause massive weight gains in it’s more severe forms like Hair-An syndrome. She may need androgen blockers, thyroid pills and a full hormonal workup. I have PCOS, [many women with Lipedema can have multiple hormonal disorders including two thyroid disorders in my case]. I hope she isn’t pigging out on camera, I see a show here or there, but none showed eating except once which was some gross banana sandwich. Didn’t she live at home eating the same meals as her thinner parents?

There’s many people failing to lose weight in USA society, 60 percent of the populace. It’s getting worse too and while I have a “rare fat disorder” which Lipedema is in this stage, something more is going on with everyone. I see people getting fatter and see more people at my super-size, when I was a rare bird in the 1990s.. I think the problem is bigger then everyone failing in personal responsibility. I don’t like the HAES crowd for their denial but I am sick of people calling fat people liars and devaluing their experiences like look how [CICO BELIEVER] clings to his ideology like a religion, you lazy fatties can all lose weight. Between two sides, everyone gets fatter and sicker. You are right about the nuances being lost.

Telling people eat less is failing. These women are failing to lose weight even with shown displays of extreme exercise. Something more is going on. Even if Whitney and Ragen ate a lot, shouldn’t all the exercise at least be holding some of the degree of weight gain at bay? Do you believe they are making up the activity levels?

ANOTHER COMMENTER:

Yes they are lying about their activity levels . Whitney may feel she is burning a lot of calories that doesnt make it true.

Ragen is purposely lying as evidenced right here. She did not complete a 5k, she cheated. Intentionally. With the help of another fat person who claims to be active.

Both are still consuming enough calories to remain fat, regardless of the accuracies of their activity levels.

ME:
Dee why is the response to fat people always that they are lying? You have no proof of what they eat or don’t eat. I see two women who seem overly focused on doing activities usually restricted to the thin and healthy, surely this is bringing more burning of calories then sitting at home on the couch. If one cheated, and I don’t know if she did or not, then it sounds like she knew she was in over her head. So what’s happening? Perhaps CICO isn’t as firm of a foundation as you think.

There is some major irony to me here. Fat activists want to be like everyone else, go and try and exercise doing running events and others usually limited to the thin and healthy but at the very least midsized or under people in very good shape.  I am all for people exercising as much as they can and with balance but here we see a tip of the scale to trying to prove themselves at any cost to prove success in athleticism.  There seems an extreme push among some of these size activists to prove they can do everything the same thin people can. The reality is they hit endless walls of physical limitations from their obesity. We see those limitations on Whitney Thore's show in full view.

Exercise is supposed to burn calories. They are trying. For some reason, the above exercise is not having the same effect on their bodies in burning calories. Ragen's blog is full of endless stories of exercise, bicycle riding, marathons, this is not someone who did one walk in a year. She got in the public eye for DANCING. She speaks of training for iron mans and more. Same for Whitney Thore, she's active almost in every show I've seen. She got famous for being a DANCER which takes practice and above exercise. They are both still fat. Whitney is entering the supersizes at around 360lbs and Ragen, I believe is still midsized in the upper 200s, though I see some weight changes in her pictures.

Calling fat people liars who obviously are ATTEMPTING exercise, seems a bit dishonest. I worry about the fact fat activists are so into trying to prove to the world their bodies are just like everyone else and the false myth that fat bodies especially over a certain size range are "healthy" in the same way and I worry about the CICO believers, who just yell at all fat people even ones dedicated to extreme exercise as all being LIARS. Our society is so screwed up. The religion of CICO and ideology of extreme size acceptance collide! 

1. 
   

Taking Punishments for Being Fat

                                          [picture source]
I wrote this on one message board:


There is the societal belief that fat people must be punished and Whitney is taking her punishments. That bugs me about this show, the fact she does not take into account any limitations.

I had this thought watching the TV show Big Fat Fabulous Life with Whitney Thore. Ever notice that one premise of this show is how she is trying to prove herself so hard, all the time using "fitness" and "exercise" to do it? The weight in her case, just doesn't seem to budge except in a very small amounts and despite her interest in physical activities.

The other day, they showed Whitney participating in a work out contest. They had her lifting weights on a barbell. She looked like she was going to injure herself as she lifted these heavy bars. She also showed a video on Instagram where there was some debate with internet trolls. On her TV show,  Whitney tried to go out on a surfing board on a river, and almost drowned herself as she was unable to stand up on the board and Ryan [her new business partner] had to tow her back so she would not drown and tire of swimming. I felt like she was risking her life, as people have drowned from far less.

Why do they always showing her essentially "beating herself up" for the cause of exercise. It's like a mea culpa exercise, aka if one is fat, you should suffer and suffer hard no matter what to "be thinner". She takes risks that I think are extreme. This brings out something in our society about weight that is not good. She doesn't seem to realize one major back injury or other could really set her back. I am not against exercise for fat people. I lift some weights at the purple gym, not on bar bells but on weight machines.

Punishment of the fat is nothing new. What is scary is our bodies punish us enough, but the societal message is that a fat person should punish themselves and even "hurt" themselves or risk injury like Whitney is doing, and that really bothers me on some deep levels. 

Whitney Thore: Living without Shame

I have written about the odd double messages being given to fat people in our media. One guy mentioned elsewhere that TLC is owned by Comcast which is part of a megacorporation that owns multiple mainstream food corporations. I agree with not being under the lash of shame, but I still stand by my belief that "acceptance" of these broken down and painful bodies is not doing us any favors. Whitney can refuse shame  and that's a good thing, but all we have to do is watch her show is to see that in reality fat is hurting her. She passes out exercising, hurts her back in the shower. Fat people need to make a stand for real treatment that will work or demand that real answers are sought.

One thing I notice is she was in far smaller sizes and more midsized for a very long time. Her history seem to match mine. She even mentions that she stopped having periods after only one or twice at 15. For me, they all disappeared at age 19 and would not returned unless forced by drugs like Provera until I was 47 years old [last year] and going on insulin. That means for almost 30 years my body had no periods on it's own.  Her doctors need to assess her for more severe forms of PCOS, her androgen levels and other health problems. Fat acceptance sometimes if taken to the extreme can damage those with extreme health problems influencing their weight. I used to make people angry in size acceptance telling them I know something is wrong, I have gained so much. There I was refuting the healthy and happy lies shoved down all our throats.

Whitney is a walking contradiction. Her fat is hurting her, she's ill but she still preaches the accept fat message and that bugs me. I agree with no shame or no discrimination but she could be using her fame to demand better answers, to confront CICO, to say LOOK something here more is wrong. Don't go with the shame and lies.  I am noticing now webwide people leave rude remarks on her videos and pictures. They say things like "she's just making excuses" and this one I hate quite a bit: "PCOS doesn't make anyone fat."

 She mentions her insulin resistance. Mine got very very bad. Oddly on insulin, my endless dark patches of dark brown skin have disappeared to go along with the returned periods. The back of my legs were covered in this brown velvet. During the weight gain, it was all over my neck, armpits and knees. It has faded ever since I have been on insulin. Perhaps some should get a clue that some of us are canaries in the coal mine for the endocrine disruptors or that there are extreme rare states of health.

She is fortunate she had the health and money to teach in Korea and go to the Great Wall of China. To me that is evidence she was exercising quite a bit. Travel takes walking. I worked at a camp in 1988. I was midsized and walked around 2-3 miles a day but unlike the other camp counselors, I wasn't firming up from all the exercising or losing weight. The food was gross and even there my intake was massively reduced, but it made no difference. She discusses getting assaulted. This happened to me when I was young too but in America. I had to be tough just to walk around.

She tries to lose weight. That fits my pattern. I fight the same 100lbs over and over. I lost that original 250 which 160 of has always stayed off from the peak weight but it's like running uphill. The crap they promise me that will work never does. My body swells up. I got gung ho, just so you all know, "to lose weight", since I could breathe better on that lung medicine, everytime I left the house, I was like "I gotta take a walk!" and diabetes was forcing very restricted eating and I didn't lose anything! It is enough to bring insanity to a person. And then one gets beaten up at every turn by society. "You're to blame, You're to blame", said over and over.

I have written before unless she has a serious eating disorder, she has something physically wrong even beyond the diagnosed PCOS. PCOS they don't do much for. I got a hormonal drug for PCOS for 15 years that helped take some weight off via lowering the androgens. I was forced off it for a kidney drug I need to stay alive and keep kidney stones away. Most people with PCOS don't even get that degree of treatment. I wish she did not tout the 1 in 10 women crap. I don't believe 10 percent of women have PCOS, and never will I believe that 11 percent of women have Lipedema. When they throw these numbers around they devalue the experience of those of us who suffer intensely from rare severe disorders.

Sadly, she has to get naked, for the photographers. How come they always want fat people naked in art but I digress? There are lower status in society is ever present and shows itself. If someone asked me to get naked for art, I would say I will wear a Victorian without a corset dress for you but naked, hell no.

If you read the comments at the video, her message is failing to get across. They call her fat pig, say she is an eating addict. Fat will never be solved in a stupid society that refuses to see outside of prejudice, but there too HAES and fat "acceptance" won't fix it either.  Whistling by the graveyard as fat comes on us, and literally weighs us down is not doing us favors either. 
God gave me enough self love to fight back. This blog came about from me saying Look I am going to tell my story and I don't care what mainstream society says, but I am going to demand more answers.

 I know even in some in size acceptance see me as a wild haired "crazy" nut, who refuses to buy into the mainstream.  I was silenced in some fat circles. It got serious on facebook groups and more. I rejected the two sides of accepting my "fat" and endless being beaten up by the diet industrial complex. 

Whitney if she wants real help, will have to see "outside the matrix", so to speak but the problem is, this society doesn't want truth about fat. The "acceptance of fat" goes hand in hand with the brainwashing about fat people.  While her message of no shame has no merit, I wish she asked some of the questions I do. Sadly the mainstream media would never allow it.

My articles on Whitney Thore

Grossed Out By Something on Whitney Thore's Show

I was channel surfing the other day, I often read or do art work while watching TV so my full attention isn't always on things and Big Fat Fabulous Life came on. During the show, Whitney Thore has the pet pig her mother bought tear up a room. I can't tell if its in her parents house but I think it is because the pet pig, tore up her father's briefcase, and papers and peed on them. Anyhow during the course of this, the pig jumps on Whitney and starts humping her, like a dog humps someone's leg. That is too gross. Her parents come to the door, and she tells them pointing to the pig, "He assaulted me". Can they do a show about a fat person where there isn't total and full debasement?

There's some medical shows where they are natural and treat people with respect like the recent one on Lipedema. But I ask myself "Why would Whitney Thore even allow that one to pass the cutting room floor?" It was just so gross and disrespectful to her own self. I still think they picked a pig as her new pet to MOCK HER. Like ha ha so funny. Most of these reality shows are scripted. Even when I saw the parents on the Little People show get divorced and the Mom get a tattoo, I thought give me a break! I don't watch as many of them since I figure it is a waste of my life though I see some out of curiosity. Those Duggars are a mind controlled lot, with Jinger never getting "free" as well.  Anyhow this show grossed me out completely.

My Big Fat Fabulous Life Gets Another Season

My Big Fat Fabulous Life is back for another season. Sadly it looks like they are having her do another "fake relationship" that will end up in misery. Doesn't she date in real life at all? I hate that she can't get a long sustaining real boyfriend or husband. Can you imagine if we got to watch an actual wedding or real relationship? It's a repeat of the "desperate" fat woman who can't get a man trope.  I would have more respect for her if she just decided to live a happy life being single.  Enjoy having a family that cares about you and so many friends. She takes the friends for granted and gets too jealous of them. She also makes impossible demands of them like when she asked Heather to be a surrogate. Who are actors and actresses and who are "real friends"?  Buddy looks checked out and like he wants to run but stays for a paycheck. She is always grabbing at him which is kind of gross. 

Whitney also ditches men that seem actually interested like Lenny and goes for unobtainable men like Buddy who is distancing himself more for her lack of boundaries. Dating some "secret" guy in France isn't going to cut it, if she wouldn't move 2 hours in her own state for Chase. Who knows if that relationship was real either? She's not going to do it for some unnamed and unpictured French guy.

She pushes this idea everyone has to be coupled up or they are worthless and I hate that. She pushes old fashioned meat market ideas about thinness and fatness that make life worse for the fat women. Give up the desperation for a man! She's too picky and cast off the ones who would have had her anyway. Any single fat women watching her show aren't going to be empowered but more depressed. I've been married over 2 decades and find the man hunger depressing.  Her possible personality disorders may be scaring the men away anyhow. She discards the few good ones when she's bored and is always looking for the next best thing.  She seems to show borderline, narcissistic and even histrionic traits. The psychiatrists would have to figure it out. I know people who want attention are more likely to get TV shows but even there, I feel some disappointed. She doesn't treat people very well, she wants everything to revolve around her. 

She hates being fat and mentions weight loss surgery more than a few times. She also gained during Covid lockdowns.  Who can blame her for that though? People in general have gained a lot of weight. I went down a little bit when I got weighed 2 months ago and find out next week where the weight is. I hope it did not go up.

Ever since it was hot, I swelled like crazy, my legs feel like logs of pain even though I have done all the wrapping and Flexitouch time.  Some smaller people who used to be average or thin have gained a lot of weight. There's women I see on Zoom who look like they have gained 100lbs. I feel sorry for them all because once it's on, it's almost impossible to get off. A thin person who enters fat land has a special version of hell to confront. People will not treat them the same.  They lock everyone in cages what do they expect? Some people with weight and metabolic problems, are scared of life like this. I need the gym back, my health has gone downhill from the stress, lack of personal contact and more. There's so many activities that got wiped away. This is not living. 

One thing bugs me about Whitney Thore is if she is so unhappy being fat why not go to a rehab or clinic?  She could go to Duke or Mayo. She has the money to make it happen.  It makes no sense to me. I wonder why someone with money who is so overweight and faces problems from it, won't buy some relief and support?

She could find out she has Lipedema or other issues affecting the weight. I know institutional life is probably worse during Covid but I always wondered that before. This one lady I know went to a clinic for chronic pain and told me, it would do wonders for me, but she doesn't realize for people in my socioeconomic class, those are pipe dreams. Our medical bills are huge just staying home and getting the necessary done, especially since my husband is not insured. 

My mobility is getting bad lately, I wish I could afford to get more help. I may seek out a pain clinic. With food, I did take the diet to new places, with vegetarianism, and more health food. A person can only do so much.  I'm kind of at an impass. I know some of my rheumatological problems are progressing, I've been seeing a kidney specialist over a urologist too. Some of the pain is getting out of control, every joint feels like it's failing even one wrist at times.  My Lipedema is progressing, it got very hot and humid and I swelled up so much it was horrific. It is a scary life where just to move means some pain and more swelling. This was always an issue for me, the more I did, the more I swelled up. Now couple that with the pressure not to be "lazy", or the pressure about "gaining weight" if I don't move enough. It's enough to drive a person crazy. Other people with CFS who are thin waifs can stay in bed, someone like me fears weight gain and pushes through the fatigue and pain.

I can still walk, [not well on a walker] and was told years ago, that bed bound people would be prioritized in the few specialized obesity rehabs I did find. I understood this. Of course they would have to help those unable to function. I fear for my functionality by the way but at least can shower and cook a meal. I also do not want put into a nursing home like the one show on that one TV show years ago with the severely obese. Lipedema does progress and it's scary, the older you get, the worse it gets.  The pain is affecting my life. I have to try and get more help for myself. I am not sure how I will make it happen. Most of my life has been spent trying to stay out of the nursing home.

However Whitney has the cash to go into whatever rehab or specialized clinic she would want, where she could be supervised by endocrinologists, physical therapists, have a full exercise program, foods---all salads and whole foods, and more. She could get 100 off even and be a far happier midsized person. I am always working on things, but this body is beyond me. To get a hundred off would be nice. Just getting back into the 400s, would please me immensely at this point.

I tried to go into an inpatient weight loss programs years ago [Brookhaven, etc] but due to my low economic resources, it seemed like it was nothing but nursing homes that specialized in the obese, and because I could still walk, I was told I'd be long down the list. One friend who was in rehab told me in institutions the food is a lot worse.  The Brookhaven diet looked disgusting. I know normal people aren't eating teff and buckwheat noodles. I pay 10 dollars for a special large yogurt that doesn't have the endless added sugar of the majority.  My diet is far more extreme even to keep would be digestive problems under control too. 

To go into institutional care in my case, I would have had to shut down my entire home, life, and live on 30 dollars of spending money.  Enough friends in rehabs or nursing homes, told me about the real deal. A lot of women with advanced Lipedema can end up in nursing care, so this is one reason I know so many people who have been in them. Before Covid I had somewhat of a life and did not want to lose it, fat or not. [art class, church, etc etc] although my bad lungs would keep me housebound at times.

Whitney whether she has a binge disorder, ED or Lipdema or other medical conditions could get more help. She may even need an androgen blocker to lose weight. That helped me years ago before I was forced off it.

Whitney has the CASH to get her problems dealt with and the fame to make it happen. She needs real doctors not WLS salesmen because if the inner hormonal and other problems aren't dealt with, she will never lose weight. I still think the possibilities of her having Lipedema are very high. Some people tell me they disagree, and she has eating disorders only, but if she does have Lipedema it would be better if she found out. Imagine what it would do in education about the disorder. 

The show does make me sad overall, because society sees this fat woman, and makes judgments about fat people accordingly. She has a happier fuller "life" then many and still is healthy enough to be active, but sadly with the "desperate to have a man" attitudes, and the refusal to get more intense help when she is unhappy with being fat and going with the usual non-answers, sometimes the show can get depressing.  Her personality issues are hard to bear, and make it hard to relate to. I am still watching it more like a car crash.

It's not exactly fat acceptance empowerment city when a show protrays a woman who cares the most about her attractiveness on the meat market of dating and aspires to be just like "thin athletes" not taking the reality and limitations of her body into consideration. Even there the usual fixes are pushed like weight loss surgery instead of deeper examinations or even honesty about would be endocrine disorders, other conditions or the real struggles of fat people.  At least they are showing her going to this one fat woman's travel group, to be around other big people. 

The Fat Hatred of the Lipedema World and Whitney Wants Weight Loss Surgery

2014 study on the hardships of high stage Lipedema. I may have even participated in this one but know I did others--I was diagnosed in 2014.

Where are the size acceptance people are when it comes to the Lipedema world? I seem to be the lone voice. Did all the other supersized stage 4s give up and walk away from these Lipedema groups on Facebook? If they did, I don't blame them. It's weird the world is burning and Covid is spreading but people stick to the "thin is in" religion even though the gyms are all closed and our activities have all been curtailed.

I try to ignore the Lipedema boards but do read to find out the few decent medical facts.  More caution is needed. I have noticed a large one has become worse than Weight Watchers with the newly thin although with still puffy legs under their thinness all bragging about their weight loss. This isn't my first time complaining about fat hatred in the Lipedema world, but it's worsening. I need to stay away from these places for my mental health.  On this go around, one snottily wrote, "Weight loss is not impossible with Lipedema!". She looked like a size one or so on top maybe a size 6 or so on the bottom. She wore a bare midriff top too. My settings were changed so the postings aren't visible unless I decide to go over there. Yeah there has to be more of a firm line.

The diets they push have grown more extreme too over the last year. I would post a few disagreements. I do not post to this blog because I want to keep it anonymous, but basically I was ganged up on. The thin at any cost brigade propeled by a society that backs up their hatred of fat people never gave up. Things worsened with more women bragging about giving up every carbohydrate, or eating the Carnivore diet. One woman claimed she only eats only 4 hours a day from 2pm to 6pm, she must not experience hunger pain, making that doable for her intermittent fasting. Another one decided that eating every other day and going completely without food every day in between was her answer. For years, I have been ignored when talking about the degree of hunger I cope with. I have hunger pain now but am pushing lunch back on purpose to spread food out. How bad will these groups be next year, will some have attained Karen Carpenter's level? 

Did size acceptance die? Oh it's still out there, but it's been cast out of the mainstream.  Everyone got fatter, and being fat was painful so now they are pulling out what used to be considered eating disordered behaviors for the anorexic side of things. When your Lipedema boards read like pro-ana boards with people bragging of going days without eating or eating only meat than you start to wonder. Their diets would kill me too. The kidney stones from the Carnivore diet would bring a painful death. This where the majority of the Lipedema world has gone now. To question any of this too, makes you a non-person in those circles, they only care about weight loss success and nothing else. They will definitely shout you down. My marginalization is so complete there, I've never seen anything like it. Maybe I'm too Aspie, to please a group of looks oriented women, or they seem me so much as the "other" because I am "so far gone" but it's disappointing beyond belief. My long time readers know this about me, but sometimes I hate being female, always having to worry about looks or being expected to obey this societal mandate that my body and how it conforms should be the central motive of my life. 

If this was a man's disease, the medical world would looking into the endocrine causes, and why the lymph system failed, or why some of us get fibrosis and lipomas, diets would not be seen as the answer. Because it's women, all the Lipedema boards read like Cathy comics from hell. They focus on fat even though the body is full of fluids. Weight loss is everything. I don't even see anyone talking about infections or pain on there anymore.

How are the newly poor from Covid supposed to afford their special diets? Class issues and Covid barely exists on these boards with the sole focus being weight loss. I am scared about my weight being tied down inside so much due to winter. My parathyroids are going [again] and doctors are doing their usual linear by the numbers stuff and not explaining why I am getting hypercalcimia. My theory now is that the high levels of uric acid and kidney stones could be part of another endocrine problem or issue that is being neglected. 

The doctors all looked burned out. So I am afraid of having another complicated issue happening now. I am supposed to get a PTH test done in March. This may be yet another issue I have to fight for diagnosis on. Hmmm that one doctor back in the 90s thought there were polyendocrine autoimmune issues. The doctors have turned cold, maybe for good reason and have even less empathy. All the fat hating eugenics related to Covid have not helped, since we have been told without hesitation we would be the first on the triage list. It's scary out there.

I don't feel support in the Lipedema world except by a few friends I met online who have it. The punishing words and put downs remain the same. Following my ACON rule of staying away from people who make you feel like garbage, I've withdrawn from the online boards more and more. While I meet a few like-minded women, they've been marginalized same as me, silenced as well.

Only the thin or those pulling out all stops from starvation to 6 hours a day in the gym are considered "worthy" and you can see the ableist pecking order where the smaller lower stages get all the praise. Lipedema puts some women in nursing homes and wheelchairs, and I have a few friends who have died very young I met online, but instead of the seriousness of this condition being dealt with, we are told diets are the answer! It pisses me off. If this illness is supposedly all about fat and diets, how are we going to get real treatment or help? Why do they ignore the pain for so many of us, where doing more makes the fluid come on? It's far more complext in higher stages.  I had to collect urine for kidney tests for 24 hours and noticed I took off 1600 fluid ounces after using my Flexitouch. How is that normal? That's a few pounds of pee! I poured it off into the collection jar. 

A lot of the women seem like normal sized women, who aren't even fat but may be low stage 1s who got a surgeon to give them some liposuction and came on to model their near normal or normal bodies. There's no support there too. Kicking around the fats seems to be a new sport for more budding narcissists now.

A few times I talked about size acceptance and fat liberation but I tell those are rare and refused concepts in the Lipedema world. I was wasting my breath. I'm not sure how to proceed. Maybe I dreamed of acceptance and fitting in, in Lipedema circles. I got banned from one stage 3-4 board because this one admin decided she didn't like me. Some of this was my mistake, asking if it was right for someone to be a member of the board who was trying to sell Shakeology diets to us. Sometimes us Aspies get in trouble with too much truth-telling. Groups don't often like that kind of thing. Ex-scapegoats are warned to be cautious and "pick their battles". Anyone hear anything about Shakeology lately? Another fad diet in the dust bin, sooned to be joined with Keto and Carnivore.

 Reddit is an extreme fat hating world too. If I mention anything weight or obesity related, I get my head ripped off. The default is that you are an overeating pig and deserve what you got. I can tell that horrible show 600lb life has just added to the fat hatred. Dr. Now and his producer son, have not presented super-fat people in a positive light. Are millennials more fat hating now? I'm not sure. There definitely seem to be more fat younger people. I went to the grocery store with my husband, waited in the car and saw a woman who had to be at least 450lbs in her 20s walking in. The pressure to be thin, definitely has grown higher. Her world did not look an easy one.

Pursing the genetic testing has not been easy. I want to know. Doctors don't always care about knowledge for knowledge's sake, and my Covid overwhelmed doctor from his housebound elderly patients, probably doesn't care about getting Peep her free rare obesity genetic tests she found online. I told him about the website, and even asked the company to send me paperwork so I could make it easy for the doctor and have him sign off. They told me, the doctors had to go through the website. Perhaps I can get a specialist to help. I have wanted genetic testing for years. There is another path to use my Ancestry DNA on this one genetics website, but that will cost some money. For years, I have known something is different, my physical attributes go beyond severe obesity, the near deafness, my small mouth, the way I am built, there's a lot of things that point to genetic problems. 

I have failed at weight loss, even keeping it stable, is all I can do on my usual food schedule, and doing Comcast TV exercise. I marched in place for 10 minutes yesterday and walked some in the hall.  Life on Covid house arrest sucks. Whenever I did venture out to walk around trying to avoid people or go anywhere, I was faced with way too many maskless people. Even today this maskless woman sat out our apartment foyer breathing all over the place.  Living like this is getting depressing and it seems like it's never going to end. I will never forgive the people who did this to us. They couldn't shut down some international flights because the richy riches always get their way.

I make sure to walk a little bit once or twice a week but that got harder. The kidney stones are having me transfer to a near vegetarian diet. I still eat a little meat. New vegetarian recipes have become part of my life.  I put 2 chicken sausages in dish of food we ate for two dinners, so had half a chicken sausage at one meal.   Morningstar and Dr. Praeger veggie patties are on the menu.  Oddly more removal of meat dropped my blood sugars somewhat, down by 20 points. [108 this morning]

 I don't expect weight loss from this. It just doesn't happen though for normal people, the calorie deficient would probably take a little off. It's to keep from dying of a kidney stones. The day the fascists attacked the Capitol is the day I got a giant one, with back pain and all. I gave up red meat 5 years ago. So this is lowering of other meat.

Whitney Thore who I still believes has undiagnosed Lipedema is buckling under pressure, and now wants weight loss surgery.  She needs to not waste her platform and to refuse the pressures of our fat hating society. More and more I think her show is meant to prop up the diet industry, instead of challenging it. She should have it out with her producers and turn things around.

All the worse stereotypes about fat people are promoted by her show, knowingly or unknowingly. Fat people are childish, we see Whitney running to her parents for every little thing. Fat people don't deserve romantic relationships the same as others, so we see Whitney cling to Buddy as her sloppy seconds who treats her like garbage, uses her for free rent and refuses to commit. She then had her rumored to be fake relationship, where her now ex-finace Chase cheated on her and had a baby with another woman. Now we see the usual gambit, of the woman still hated even though she exercises all the time, giving in to the diet industry juggernaut! Weight loss surgery as the supposed answer. Hopefully she will back away and this is only a one show venture.

Why doesn't Whitney pursue more answers? She has the cash to go to the weight loss program at Duke University, or another inpatient diet place to get some weight loss on track. She could have doctors figure out what is going on. She could see the ultimate PCOS specialist in the world, maybe they could put her on an androgen blocker like I was which made my weight loss possible down from 700lbs. I was forced off this drug 5-6 years ago due to other medical issues but it could help her.

She could be stabilize at a decent midsized weight if she got medical issues dealt with. She has resources and a platform many others do not.  She has pain, and obviously she can't do everything the thin people do, she's succumbing to the pressure. It's another Carnie Wilson trip: "get weight loss surgery". Whitney should not be talked into the sleeve or the RNY, go for the D and S [duodenal switch], risks and all, at least she won't have the embarrassment of the later regain to come since the metabolism sinks in so many. I hate all weight loss surgery but if I was forced at gun point to do it, I would want the one that works.

Remember that show Ruby? That was another show about a superfat woman, that one focused on weight loss though. She weighed 700lbs and lost a big chunk, I think around 380 or so in her case, but when she stopped losing and had some regain they removed her show off the air. Supposedly she lied about her weight.

Things are getting worse for fat people. I still plan to rejoin NAAFA, though so many bills got in the way for now. It is still on the roster. These weight loss pushing people all they do is make me depressed. Telling people they are pieces of crap doesn't help anyone get healthier. Somehow this is still the way they want to do it with fat people. The abuse out there is getting worse. I can tell. Hell just my moniker fivehundredpoundpeep brings out the haters. They are still sticking to the failed answers of the last 40-50 years.

I feel for the woman who wrote this article last year talking about Lipedema. One thing I notice they never talk about is the pain of Lipedema, everytime I move it hurts and it has taken a toll. It's always with the attitude "fat ass go lose weight --no matter what it takes", "even if you have to go without eating a few days a week". That's basically the message of the majority of Lipedema support groups I've been on! I fear for her if she discovers what some of the Lipedema boards are like. That's going to be a blow. Hatred for obesity has grown so bad, even if you have a rare fat disorder, it doesn't matter, you better be thin or else!

Whitney would be better off to eat three healthy meals a day--get best food she can, portions, lower meat, lots of vegs, exercise a certain number of days a week, food schedule with no free eating inbetween, and let the chips fall where they may and make her size a non issue. Go join NAAFA and raise a middle finger to the diet and weight loss surgery pushers.

Many of the people here don't get that fat people have been told they are "not enough" their entire lives, and blamed and shamed. Doesn't make any of them thin, just fucks them up inside. I like healthy food, exercise, and things like that but the poison, and the drip drip drip of "you suck" wears down on fat people. I've had my fill. Sometimes the internet can be a toxic place. One needs to be careful on here.  That Lipedema board sent me into some more bad feelings, the feeling of "never enough". Sometimes I hate this world, petrified of weight gain by being locked in the house, not able to go anywhere without fearing immediate death because so few here wear masks. We now have an entire year lost.

They all praise the newly thin like they are gods and people like me are no one. This is one sick society. I will be okay and remind myself self-compassion is the answer. I can only do what I can do. I'll do the exercise and go make myself some tofu patties with zucchini for lunch and eat a vegetarian burrito with peppers for dinner and will know all my haters will consider me a liar and that I huffed down a few cakes and pizzas but they never believed me all these years so what does it matter at a certain point? 

And you see that in Whitney. She annoys me as I have written about her possible narcissistic traits but I also realize how she was influenced and the pain they unload on fat people that is never ending.  Since she was a normal sized person for most of her young life, and then skyrocked in weight during college, it messed her up. This is more evidence to me of the possibility of her having Lipedema, remember I'm the woman who was midsized until my early 20s but than had my huge weight gain. It's weird to see her up through college being normal sized.  I hate to see her doing the weight loss surgery thing, she's giving in the fat hating society that's basically abusing her for the sake supposedly of "health". I still say she has Lipedema. It's sad even with all her body positivity stuff, she has never heard of the basics of fat liberation. One can tell she feels like she's "not enough" inside, with her conservative parents that wanted a thin and petite married woman with babies for a daughter, and with a society that denigrates her even as she has achieved a level of fame. She has a group of nice friends hopefully they are real and not just for the show.

Even if she figures out she has Lipedema or got diagnosed with it, she better be careful. That world is making weight loss everything too though Lipedema does more than give you a higher number on a scale. It's still open season on fat people. If anything it's gotten worse in the last 5 years. The Lipedema world has a few decent people like Dr. Stutz but from what I am seeing, it's become abusive, with the shoving of diets down people's throats, that gets worse year by year. Why has the Lipedema world grown so toxic? Why are people even with success and fame, feeling like they are "not enough"? Things shouldn't be this way.

Fat Bigotry on A Reddit Board

I know reddit  on some boards can be one mean damn place. Here's the banner one place had, for the reddit board, "MyBigFatFabulousLife". When I saw it, I decided to protest it, but that was probably a mistake. The people who post there post like they are all from Fat Logic .

I usually hang out at nicer boards. I'm going to unsubscribe from this board. I've criticized Whitney before on this blog. She's not perfect but I am noticing that in the land of fat bigtory, you can be a dancer, train actively and even lose 40lbs, but as long as you are fat, the bigotry never ends. In their world every fat person is a liar, and there's no such thing as any medical conditions like PCOS and Lipedema.  The above is an insult to every woman who even has struggled with mild weight challenges from PCOS.

They posted about Whitney Thore on there. What is ironic is I posted an article with 11 obesity experts questioning CICO, but you aren't going to get through to the bigoted "true believers". I realized they always have to descend to the lowest common denominator of calling people liars, and delusional and crazy.  They never address any points that you make.

While I have disagreed with some of Whitney Thore's messages and questioned some personality traits, her show is really showing something poisonous about American culture. Here is a woman who exercises her ass off on TV, to the point of full sweat and 5 K hikes and she is still put down for being fat. She even lifted herself off the ground using a rope for one trainer, and that's still "not good enough". 

Their hatred knows no bounds.

Whitney Thore Exercises All the Time and is Still Fat!

I am watching Big Fat Fabulous Life, and probably have to wait until next week to find out what put her in the hospital. Whitney Thore is so active with all the dancing, shopping and running around and she stays so fat!

 I think something could be wrong with her beyond the already diagnosed PCOS adding to her weight, perhaps untreated sleep apnea, or other endocrine issues. She does not appear to have Lipedema to me but a doctor would have to examine her. I couldn't walk 5 miles after I passed around the 320 mark, that was over for good. She does not have asthma or COPD but she is getting very ill from exercise, and one thing to note in this show is how she constantly pushes herself.

That part to me is dangerous and a message they give to fat people that you must push yourself no matter what and when she tries to dance for 4 hours, which is something even difficult for in shape thin people, she pushed herself right into the ambulance and emergency room. They tell fat people to push yourself into the brick wall to not be fat anymore.

When I was young, I got SICK constantly from exercise which was constantly frustrating and it got worse. In my case, my lungs went early.  I had no car, and had to walk everywhere and in Chicago some bus stops were a half mile away from each other, and I still lost nothing. It reminds me of what she is going through. My COPD medicine I went on last year actually improved my walking quite a bit though I am still from normally mobile. Whitney Thore definitely has some problems. The sad thing is she will be blamed for being fat when it is obvious she is exercising all the time, and loves to be active.

Whitney Thore is Pregnant Supposedly

I watch My Fat Fabulous Life to post on it here, and don't consider myself a supporter of it. Last night's show was crazy even for scripted reality TV.  The show ended with Whitney Thore having a positive pregnancy test and also she told radio people she was interviewing with that she was pregnant. She's got TLC money and a house now, but how will a baby will fare with a mother that is so much into getting attention and acts like a teenager into her 30s?

 It bugged me when she said, she missed birth control pills and wasn't responsible. One can ovulate on rare occasions even with PCOS. I doubled-up on the birth control myself for years knowing I could not take care of a baby and health-wise I had been told by three doctors pregnancy would kill me. I was also taking Spironolactone for 15 years back then for PCOS, hormones AND congestive heart failure, and birth defects are so serious with this drug they require you to be on birth control while on it. I don't know if she is on that drug, I doubt it, but I know of two other women with PCOS assuming they could not get pregnant who didn't use birth control properly who got pregnant like her.

I had to go off birth control as I got older which most women have to do. I had the nightmare of regular periods returning after nearly 30 years, before I needed birth control or Provera to even induce or "have" a very light period. This unsettled me quite a bit. In fact four-five years ago doctors told me, after doing blood tests that I was in menopause! When periods came back and they were almost every month, doctors all made me get tests to make sure it wasn't uterine cancer but nope it was periods. Yes this confused me very much. My gynecologist told me to be careful of getting pregnant even though I was dealing with very low percentages considering my own PCOS and advanced age.

I believe doctors need to tell women with PCOS to use birth control just like they are normal women and to hedge their bets. I hear about too many getting pregnant who forgo birth control because they think they are completely infertile. If you read through my past posts, when I speak of my own infertility, I always wrote "almost infertile".  Doctors are setting up PCOS fat women for unwanted pregnancies if they don't make sure they understand the facts here.

That said, Whitney's choices in life bother me. There's a weird set up in the show, where her and her roommate are caught naked together by her parents, and supposedly she is getting a "massage" and comes racing out in a sheet. She risks pregnancy in bad relationship where the man has no commitment to her, or promise of marriage or marriage. From the start, I thought that guy just wasn't that into her. I don't want to sound judgmental because I know birth control can fail and it takes two to make a baby, but there definitely was a lack of responsibility here. She's kind of the TLC spokesperson for fat women with PCOS, now super-sized fat women and her narcissism and irresponsibility isn't helping our cause.

I find myself hoping she isn't really pregnant, and this is just a reality show ploy. 

Making Fat People Look Bad

Maybe she is a food addict, I don't know, or maybe this is scripted TLC TV to make fat people look bad to go along with the pig that humped her leg. I told my husband about that show and he agreed with my disgust. I said it's all about fat people debasement. She's got money to hire a chef to cook three organic squares a day for her. Why is someone that rich eating crappy fast food?

When I saw this video, I can't sit through her entire shows anymore, I thought just tell the guy, "I am hungry all the time" and woman up and tell him, "That's four weeks of meals worth of food and I am messy and never clean my car" but don't do the scripted crying. Please just don't. Just tell the guy what you are eating and why. I made zuchini and cabbage soup at lunch and had a big bowl of it with a turkey sandwich on organic sourdough bread with 1 slice of swiss cheese, and dinner I had some rice noodles with chicken thighs and other veggies, and 2 hard boiled eggs at breakfast among my food, so I ate well today and I would tell the trainer everything I ate and why.
 
He probably would tell me, TOO MUCH FOOD, maybe. Carbs were a bit high but I kept the portions controlled. He would say to me, "You are 500 and something pounds why didn't you just eat a lettuce leaf for lunch?" I would tell him I was hungry and that won't cut it. I have this problem with the diabetes where if I do not eat a certain amount aka UNDER IT, the Sugars skyrocket like hell on earth. If I went to town and ate one of those giant chocolate cookies and eat bad foods, it would go bad for me too. This is like a science project. The blood sugar was 110 this morning. I do need to get more exercise.

But gah, why did they have to show her with her car full of fast food and cookies. Was that scripted or is she really having a food addiction problem? It makes all fat people look bad and like excuse makers. I believe some fat people out there do have food addiction problems but then food addiction can be SATIETY DISORDERS and to be honest with severe enough PCOS, the motor is humming for HUNGER DAY AND NIGHT. Someone with severe PCOS better be eating at normal intervals, and so our media and society will present her as the bad fat "glutton". Whitney isn't lazy running around to her various dance contests and such but they got the stereotypical pig-out a thons shown.

She probably is insulin resistant up the whazoo. Her extreme emotional lability is due to the PCOS too, that's could be a symptom of the extreme hormonal imbalances. Severe PCOS brings depression and anxiety and she's seems to be showing a lot of that. That's where her thinning hair is from and if the androgens are high enough--she doesn't seem to be turning masculine like I did for a time, the hunger levels are going to up along with them. That's one little fun symptom of PCOS, if you were one of the severe cases and she most likely is. Insulin resistance makes you HUNGRY. Insulin resistance does scary things, its one reason I had absolute no periods from the age of 19 to 44, unless forced by a drug. When I went on insulin the body went "Oh boy insulin for me!" and I started having periods, well too many periods but that's a problem I don't want to get into on here.

 My hunger remains a problem. I used to write about it all the time on this blog. When I lost my 250lbs from the 700 [now mostly 200 is still off] I had to figure out what foods controlled it compared to ones that do not.  Normal American eating was not on the roster. I have to cook like an old housewife from the 50s being in the kitchen several hours a day, just to keep the diabetes from killing me. I know normal people are not cutting cabbage at noon, they are at WORK.

  I have failed in losing more weight but have to do certain things NOT to gain. I am scared crapless even by the recent small gain, and know I have to be vigilant. As I have written I fight the same 100 over and over, or the same 50 the last few years. I see a lot of websites now where some are right wing ones and others are mainstream ones, or foreign ones, and there's a lot of people who are posting about "disgusting fat Americans".

A lot of the english speaking male world especially the ones who go on about the "decline of the West" and yes our culture is descending into degeneracy and their neo-fascist attitudes are not the answer either, they go on about how so many Americans have grown disgustingly fat especially the women. They all believe in CICO and "personality responsiblity" but I find myself think "Are Europeans all more moral and good then Americans? So why are Americans getting fatter like crazy compared to Europeans?"

The bad food, GMOs and toxins are bringing more endocrine disease, more PCOS, more insulin resistance. They will fatten us all up with the MSG, GMOs, crap food and stress, and then play "blame the victim"! Then you will have the thinsters judge and cry "off with their fat heads!". I don't want to be seen as the fat person who represents the America Idiocracy on many a cartoon. I don't want to be the one pictured at Wal-mart on a scooter with everyone clucking disgust at me as a sign and symbol of a falling nation. My body was not my choice.

Whitney Thore more and more looks like the new fat scapegoat meant to debase and degrade fat people and the repeating over and over of "answers" that hasn't work in 50 years. If insulin resistance is lowering her metabolism and giving her hunger problems, I hope she can get help. She may have sleep apnea too that is untreated. That was part of my original loss, and doctors tell me know my sleep apnea affects me stopping more weight loss even though it is treated and I never miss a night off the CPAP. If she is eating out of a psychological eating disorder I hope she can get help there too.

Fast food is poison. I personally hate the stuff. They put things in it to destroy your mind and body. Yes I know I sound like a foodie snob, but I know how I feel on good food compared to that crap from eating some of it years ago.

 I once had someone write me about being on a documentary via this blog, and it turned out they were in England, so when I told them I lived in America, they moved on. This was a long time ago. "Its for the better", I thought. Some people are extroverts and can pull this off. I am too autistic. I don't have the perky personality that reality TV especially but I know I have a big mouth and if they told me to bow down and cry and tell America I'm sorry for eating anything I'd tell them to kiss my butt. If they wanted me to have some pet pig, representing "me" as a TV metaphor, I'd quit that day. If they had some trainer fire me, I would hire another one.

I also am worried too about something else. I see a lot of fat people where we are truthful about medical conditions impacting our weight being ignored and not believed. People more and more are ready to string us all up and call us liars for claiming to have conditions or 'condishuns' as the fat hating proles like to spell it.

 I see news reports of women with severe Lipedema where it is obvious their body is swelling up with extreme fluids, and people making fat jokes. I suffered greatly from PCOS. I know I focus mostly on the Lipedema and the crap from the diabetes lately but PCOS did terrible things to me. One doctor even told me he thought I had adrenal hyperplasia. It covered my body in almost velvet darker brown/black skin patches. Now with this show, PCOS will just be seen as a joke, and a fat glutton's excuse, and the hue and cry will be "lose weight" with conditions that put weight on.  How many of us were told to diet as we got sicker and sicker? More people will be in danger of dying like me because of extreme delayed diagnosis or having their lives thwarted and ruined.

 I wish Whitney Thore was smarter then this, and would stand up for herself a bit. She never defends herself.  Now I know why I get mad when I see her cry. Part of me understands she is bawling her head off due to her hormonal imbalances, but I can see how they are using her emotions in a negative way for the agenda of this show.  It's not because I lack empathy, it's because I see what this show could do in terms of how people treat and view fat people. The backlash against size acceptance with it's ideological extremes has already come and it's growing. Maybe I am just an ornery old woman whose seen too much crap, but seeing another fat woman fulfilling the two sides of the fat lie coin [with extreme "I'm happy to be fat" delusional messages combined with nothing but self flagellation for being a supposed "gluttonious" fatty and being lectured on will power, grinds my gears. There's no free thinking here, only more forced conformity.  Take responsibility for what you are responsible for and past that she needs to stand up for herself and her health.

Fat People Hating Medical Workers on Reddit

 

                                                      "I had a 600lber just last week!"

Check out this thread, it's scary. The reddit nursing board has problems, they ban anyone who questions the vaxxes or what is happening now but overall, you can see it's open war on fat people. Even "leftists" who are against racism, homophobia, etc have no moral qualms in going after the fat with no holds barred.

https://old.reddit.com/r/nursing/comments/yac3bw/an_open_rant_to_a_supermorbid_obese_patient/

"Supermorbid obesity is absolutely a mental illness. To consume enough calories to be 400+ lbs is an eating disorder. I don’t discount that.

But how is it fair to burden the medical team with your care? 4+ nurses lifting your body, risking injury to themselves. A body you created with no consideration for the others who care for you.

You can’t walk so 4+ nurses have to pull you over and put a bedpan under you. Your shits are massive and frequent because you eat so much.

You can’t wipe yourself, and your gluteals are so huge they have to be spread open to clean your anus. The size of your gluteals means the shit smears and gets trapped in the cheeks as it leaves your body. More for your nurse to wipe.

You haven’t been able to bathe properly in a long time, so you smell. The fungal rashes under your many folds smell putrid. More for your nurse to clean.

We teach you about diet and exercise, but when the dietary person comes you order 3 peoples worth of food. Your husband brings you bags of candy and snacks. You yelled at him because he brought Mike and Ike’s when you clearly asked for Now and Laters.

How is it fair to our already understaffed unit that we need to accommodate your self-created burden?

On top of it, you’re rude to staff. Extremely demanding and shout because it hurts you to be rolled to your side, demanding we “HURRY UP”

I would never tell you to your face, but nurses let out a sigh when they see their name next to your room. All the men who work on the floor know they’re going to be called every time you need to shit.

I hope you get the help you need. The help we need.

Edit; thank you to whomever reported this post as a mental health emergency, you could’ve just downvoted :)

Edit 2: wow top 25 on r/popular, thats neat. Sorry it's marked as "nsfw" which means people browsing dont get to look at it without a reddit account which is ridiculous (shoutout to r/watchredditdie).

Final edit: a special thank you to the people who can’t comment here so they are finding other comments I made and replying there to call me a fatphobe and a piece of shit. I literally don’t care about your opinion, 12,700 upvotes, 18+ awards and frontpage status is enough to prove that the overwhelming majority of reddit is in agreement with the content of my post. Perhaps seeing so many reddit clinicians posting in agreement is a shock to your ego? Maybe you were expecting the typically-tolerant reddit user base to tear me apart and are now appealed to find out the truth.

If you are overweight I will absolutely give you the same level of care I give to every patient, and I will greet you with a smile and pretend I don’t care that you smell awful and need me to exert 400% of my strength to move you. But inside I will have the opinion that thousands of others have posted here."

Then read this post which was a response.

"[–]FaeryCourt 1 point 2 days ago 

Asa paramedic -who has had to call firefighters and off duty police officers -in order to simply be able to lift a morbidly obese patient(s) from bed to stretcher; who has listened to Children worry and cry that they had to call 911 on their parent because they couldn't lift 400+lbs by themselves and knew they would be punished and blamed for doing so; who has had injuries from these patients (who blame everyone but themselves), who has seen coworkers go through YEARS of physical therapy and surgical interventions from injuries sustained, who has seen-repeatedley-these patients not give one fuck about who they injure, emotionally destroy and blame for their CHOICES, I agree, wholeheartedly with this fine nurse, who finally said what WE ALL ARE THINKING. Thank you, RN. Your words mean much. And, for the family, children and spouses of these patients, my heart breaks for you.

Notice they all write it's a choice. Like everyone is supposed to have a body that works right.  You won't see these people complaining about other people who end up at the hospital via drinking or high extreme sports or drugs. I'm tired of being told it's all a choice. Who would CHOOSE to live in the hell of extreme obesity?

Of course none of them ask why is the care for the obese so lacking? Why don't they have better methods for transfers? Some of the more compassionate ones, talk about the abuse and high ACE scores many superfat people went through. One mentioned Lipedema and women with legs as wide as their waist.

This applies to me of course. I don't think all of it is food addiction though, some are of course but some of us probably ended up with hypothyalmic and metabolic damage as a result. You know there's a problem when someone has so many autoimmune diseases they lost count, and have some people never heard of before. Very few question what drives the food addicted ones to eat or what is happening in the brain or what kind of depression or mental problems could be fueling all this. But what about ones who aren't food addicted, who may have undiagnosed Cushings, severe Lipedema, and other endocrine problems who aren't getting help? What about those with other disorders?  People like this aren't going to help them get answers.

Sadly superfat people are being dehumanized and look, at a nursing board, where it becomes a popular post. The open "othering" of a people for a physical characteristic is accepted. Hatred of fat people was obviously growing as we saw with Covid and they told us fat people were more likely to die of it. Maybe that's true but then keep in mind all the "triage" stuff they were pushing in 2020.

One thing they put a barrier in front of people at every step. I've made it clear I want in-patient treatment now for obesity even to get 100 off. Medicare would never pay for it. Because of Covid, I'm no longer pushing the point.  I remain pissed off beyond belief, that I can't go safely back to my old Planet Fitness in the eternal pandemic without end.  I need to. These are barriers that are never addressed? Why didn't these people get help before their obesity become so serious? I remember asking for help at 300lbs before I hit 700lbs.

Did any of these 500-800lb people already go to their doctors about their weight loss failures or lack the money to make some of the things they needed to happen? How many like me went crying about their extreme weights already?

Where they turned away as their problems got worse and worse? Remember I was 700lbs at one point and almost did die. I thankfully did not lose mobility but I was close. Today my mobility is in bad trouble but some outside factors are affecting this. I am dealing with some muscle weakness that could be due to one of my autoimmune disorders and some joint problems. I can't take Planequil for my UCTD because I fear eye problems being deaf, so here I am in pain a lot. The other day I asked my rheumatologist for other remedies for pain and fatigue and was just turned down. I told the doctor point blank, "I can barely function now due to the severity of the deafness I can't take that risk on." I don't think he was happy with me but why were there no other options? At least I am still considered "Stable" and I didn't go into full lupus but the pain and other problems are there. Why is it okay to make me at the risk of being even more helpless with no life quality left especially being an artist?

I could always walk when I was in the hospital, and even walked myself into the shower once while hooked to an IV because nurses wouldn't clean me up or give me tools to clean myself up. I told them due to my skin problems I need a shower daily and was ignored. So I took care of business. I knew if I didn't keep clean that I would die of the infection I had.  Probably some of you have figured out I am not a passive personality, I can't afford to be. 

I haven't been in the hospital overnight since 2001. The house call doctors kept me out, there's been a few ER visits for injuries, parotitis and problem I got with my better ear.  I wrote a PM to this person, telling them "I hope I never get you as a nurse and this is why I took 30 years to get diagnosed with stage 4 Lipedema". and "Stop abusing fat people".

Hospitals scare the hell out of me, I have to be dying or have serious problems like a broken bone to go to one. The line now where I would even go to one? I have to be nearly dead or acutely dying. Even then I may think about staying home just like I did with multitudes of kidney stones, drinking watered down organic cider vinegar in a bid to stay alive. Most of us superfat people already know hospitals are not friendly kind places for us. Some medical professionals are kind and nice to us but we have been around to know the score and how we are "seen"

Sad to say I figured out this person is probably a moderator over on My Big Fat Fabulous Life, [different identities online] or if not an avid supporter of this fat hating nurse, and they started writing more insults to me on that reddit message board about supersized patients being so hard to take care of.  And I got banned from that board even though I had posts people liked reading and I got a lot of "reddit karma" for.  This person who claims to be "happy" sure seems to spend a lot of time complaining about fat people. I criticized Whitney too but wanted her to change her show to HELP fat people but sadly Whitney was just the usual corporate "make fat people look bad" product. They tried banning me so I wrote a complaint about all these posts to reddit, and asked them if they are trying to revive the same attitudes of the Fat Hate Reddit board that was later taken down.

It was scary to see hundreds of medical professionals all bitching about super-fat people on that thread. There was only around 5-6 compassionate ones among the 1,000 posts decrying the horrors of caring for severely overweight people. 

As I have written on here before, no one crosses the 400lb mark without something being even physiologically wrong with them. Physically normal people would not even have driving hunger or desire for that much food. The 800lb mark and above, that's pretty much the case. BTW they don't care if your weight is from fluids, fat or the other complicated myriad of reasons why someone would have gotten that fat in the first place. Too many of these lauded professionals aren't studying the latest obesity research that talks about problems with metabolism or hyperphagia or saitety disorders. They don't care, they consider it YOUR FAULT and that you did nothing with yourself but pig out on everything and it supposedly was all by choice. One reason I always wanted hospitalized for weight loss was to have the "eating seen" but maybe I'd be called a liar and told I was "sneaking food in" even if I was not. 

Lately I have been thinking about how I have been treated my whole life for being fat and how bad it is. I worked around things the best way I could trying to speak out and do art and be involved in community stuff but you always KNOW. "You are not like the others" and at supersized weights it's even worse.  Even if you cut all the abusers out of your life, and manage to get enough presence to stop all overt abuse--it's been years since someone insulted me in the street--it doesn't stop the subtle stuff or the endless strain of rejection that remains "hidden".  Some liberals may refer to those as "micro-aggressions". After my no contact I changed. Oh I told this nurse, if I ever got her as a nurse, I'd call the ombudsman and then my lawyer.

I wouldn't yell at anyone especially while overnight in a hospital even if they were being horrible to me. I'd be figuring out how to work my way out of the problem. I don't like that I have to lay there with an unlocked door which always destroys sleep for me. Sleep deprivation is a very serious problem for me in the hospital. I begged a doctor to go home more then once so I could stay alive but of course past serious infections needed IV antibiotics. Some of the people who are shouting and freaking out, have been neglected or having pain or problems.

 One of my now deceased fat friends said she was abandoned to lay on gurney in the corner for 16 hours. In her case, she couldn't walk out. This was pre-Covid days. Many of us chronically ill know what hospitals can be like.  I would be the type to sneak out if they were actively hurting me even if I had to pay a bystander with 20 bucks to give me a wheelchair to roll out in if I was unable to walk and then go call a lawyer. Fortunately I haven't had any abuses that severe.   

Years ago when a good doctor showed up at 3am to save my life and get a working IV, I almost had made the decision to go home.  This wasn't abuse, just more likely collapsed veins from illness in that case. Most hospitals have treated me okay, at most I got benign neglect when I had to talk a janitor lady into helping me with a few problems. I would say the most dangerous times for the superfat is if you a] can't walk or b] are unconscious. 

Looks like I wasn't being too paranoid with those thoughts given the posts above......

Years ago I got a thick skin. Hate my blog? I don't care. Hate me for being fat? Get in line with the other jerks. It's nothing new. I know I'm a rare one who speaks out and they hate that even more. See any other fat people calling this crap out? I will because I feel like it. To me, this reddit post and it's acceptance points to some real rot in society that is growing worse. The severe obesity too? People are getting sick, physically and emotionally and superfat people are probably canaries in the coal mine. Sure some are BED food addicts but even there, the limited attitudes and stupidity shown except by the very few compassionate ones was nauseating.

By the way this is just the kind of society, where people even young ones can start dropping like flies of myocarditis and blood clots, and no one cares....

"FaeryCourt and I got in an argument. They were even angry at me for questioning the "elite" which was kind of laughable to me. There's a reason psychopathic nurses has become a trope in horror movies. Yes why wouldn't they believe in this sick system being a product of it? But sadly this body I deal with is a product of the system, with ill health, destroyed metabolism, endocrine system, lymph system. I just read the book, "The Body Keeps The Score" and I KNOW this was NOT my Choice ever. This book details how trauma and medical/autoimmune/mental problems interact. I had myself in therapy by age 18--self chosen. I always tried to get help and to stay alive and "be responsible" so I am done with taking people's crap. 

It's horrible for these immobile fat people who are dependent on medical professionals who despise them. Instead of anyone asking why aren't there better lifting machines or hoyers or other procedures or even why no one is doing anything that actually WORKS for the severe growing obesity problem in the US. Decent food is hard to find or whatever environmental problems are leading to this including the endless trauma, they blame the patients instead. "It's their fault, my back went out!" There's  thousands of drug and alcohol abuse clinics but nothing for the fat beyond weight loss surgery. Ever wonder about that?

I worked with the disabled for a very short term job, I had it around 8 months. I was pushed out of this job from my own failing health unable to do lifts.  Some patients were large we had to move around, I had to move people in beds to change diapers, etc, I had to puree food, do bathroom duties, and feed people with a plastic spoon. The work is NOT easy. I get that part. There is risk of injuries. Most of these places because of corporate greed are understaffed and most of these medical professionals are having to work with too few co-workers to help them with lifts and more. So I have empathy for the ones who did get injuries, it's horrific but don't blame the patients and take it out on them. 

 It's not meant for everyone but this post scares me and all the angry people, and sure some of the patients are probably guilty in their fear and other problems in yelling a bit or taking things out on people they should not, but this post to me was representative of a very serious problem. 

Severe obesity is growing, I used to be RARE where I never saw anyone my size in the 1990s. Now I see more and more people near my size. 500lbs may still be uncommon but I see people near my size at least once a week if I am out and about. [My weight was 511 last week] I saw someone who weighed about 50 pounds more then me just three days ago. 300-400lbs is actually common now. Go in a store, you'll see a few and a 400lber here and there. Obesity has increased. Now let me ask this question, how are any of these people's attitudes going to help the problem?