WHO Declares American Weight Problem Draining World’s Resources
American's can't win. Ever notice how all the globalists of the world always blame Americans for all the world's problems? They want us to imagine the entire world as being nothing but starving people in huts, while all Americans are supposedly wealthy with a giant gas guzzling Cadillacs and palacial McMansions. Maybe some of these eat lobster while the street urchin starve types actually should visit America and come out of stereotype land. Dallas was a TV show, not reality!
Over and over we are told we supposedly eat all the food, and use up all the resources. Note to those who have been programmed by this nonsense, our population is something like only 1/8ths of China's and even less when it comes to India. Do not believe everything you are told. Africa does have modern cities. China actually looks like they entered the 21st century. as America infrastructure crumbles and got even a "D" by our own engineers. Does Shanghai look like it is going without food, flush toilets, elevators and the use of gasoline? Why do Americans still buy all the lies about the rest of the world as if every billion of people in China were all "green" and living in a hut, and that we are the only modern nation on planet earth?
Americans are being lied to on so many fronts. That way they can sell things like Agenda 21, and give more power to the mega-corporations and elites.
As the Activist article points out, yes now they are complaining about the fat people putting too much weight on planet earth. No I am not kidding! AND the FOCUS IS ON AMERICAN PEOPLE!
Read HERE. What next telling us that "all you lazy fat Americans" are going to throw the planet's orbit off it's axis? Do you all know how much the world weighs? Remember my warnings about pseudo science, and how it is used to manipulate and influence!
Why do people even listen to these globalist psychopaths in their desire to have everyone reduce their lifestyles to "save the planet"? Is this to help the populace fully embrace their new downgraded lifestyles of living in pods and eating Soylent Green? Does anyone see the greater agendas here? These folks desire control over the world's resources, and given the fat people in America, how they ignore what is causing all the obesity. As I have said PROFIT lies in fattening us up.
Does anyone seriously think the mega-monolith corporations care about poisoned air and water? Does anyone seriously think the WHO cares about our health when they float this type of garbage? I sure don't.
To me its just more making the fat people the scapegoats again.
This commenter got it right:
As a sociologist who has researched fat stigma for decades, I find this laughable! I have been saying for years that obesity is being scapegoated for every conceivable problem while the rich pillage, plunder and rob us blind
I found this guy's comment of interest too.
i ate double in Europe what i eat here and LOST weight without trying ot desiring to do so- while not exercising.
Hey I am not surprised growth hormones in the meat is illegal in Europe.
Of course the World Health Organization ignores things like that. Their focus is on DIET and EXERCISE. I don't want to link to them but seriously GOOGLE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION and obesity and GO RIGHT TO THEIR WEBSITE. It's funny when these absurd globalists who eat their lobster and foix gras, at their endless sustainable development conferences, point out NORTH KOREA, as one of the BEST NATIONS, because everyone is THIN. Note NORTH KOREANS ARE STARVING and have lived under a dictator for decades.
I do believe there is an obesity epidemic even worldwide, but they are not dealing with the true causes or those who wish to profit it from it or use it for another agenda. The world is getting fat from the GMO food, MSG and garbage and toxins. Of course they will not deal with those issues.
Fat people, the new scapegoats, supposedly we are ruining the environment too. Hey forget those pouring the chemicals into the water supply, blame the fat guy! That is exactly what they are doing.
Americans are being so duped.
Hi. I am a new reader here. I've been here several times over the last week and had no problems entering your site. But now it is being blocked by my antivirus as a fraudulent site. I am expecting you will have to contact Norton/Symantec to get this problem resolved. I was over at a site where you commented (how I came to find your blog) and the same block had been put up. My guess is that the fat haters have decided to falsely report your site.
ReplyDeleteBy the way, I'm 400 pounds give or take. Looking through the comment options, I don't have an account with any of those, so I used anonymous. But I'm real and not a troll
-Eselle
Hmmm let me check...myself...
ReplyDeleteIt's not coming up that way on Google or anywhere else.
It came through on search engines. I get lazy about bookmarks, have so many I hate wading through, so I search for my own website, and never have seen a red marker on it.
Could you have a high level of banned words? I try to keep language clean here, but there are a lot of medical terms on the website.
Where could I check this?
I don't have Norton.
Thanks.
Oh here is another question, is blogspot being blocked in GENERAL or just this specific website?
ReplyDeleteI can get back in again now without the block. I don't know if it was all of blogspot or you and the other blog alone. I am glad it is fixed now. I was worried it was yet more fun with trolls.
ReplyDeleteThe US has approximately a quarter of the population of China and India, give or take a hundred million while using four times the energy of China and eight times that of India. None of these lobster eating (such an outdated cliché) bigwigs are saying that the world outside of America is a dusty backwater populated by tribesman who think a handcranked radio is the height of sophistication. Heck, have you even travelled? I've been Shanghai a number of times. I've also been to lesser known Chinese cities, the ones where no effort is made to hide the communal toilets used by peasants. Even Shanghai is no paradise. Unless you're at least middle class by Chinese standards or a rich foreigner you're not exactly reaping the benefits of all the updated infrastructure. The fact that you would judge Chinese standards of living (hey, have a look at how even the middle class live in the extreme west of the country and tell me that's something you could cope with) based on a city that's been the recipient of an inordinate amount of money and attention from the Chinese government suggests you are clueless about China, and by extension, the rest of the world.
ReplyDeleteYou've misrepresented the observations about North Korea made by WHO staff. A big problem for governments in the developing world is the exodus of their medical staff to first world countries. Doctors and nurses can earn more in a year abroad than they could expect in a decade at home, so why wouldn't they leave? But when they leave they take with the cost of years of education from cash strapped governments and deprive a population of much needed medical care. That North Korea doesn't have this problem isn't so much a feather in their cap as one less thing for a hugely struggling country to worry about.
There is no global conspiracy to take control of the world's resources and deny you a chance to live a life that is (to the average inhabitant of the earth) hugely indulgent. What certain NGOs, academics and scientists want is for the planet to recognise that we have a finite number of resources and they need to be managed properly. You and your husband share a car between you. Sure, it might not be the fanciest car, but it runs and it's just the two of you. Compare this with a Sub-Saharan peasant who can only dream of owning a motorbike. Or a family in India crammed five to a motorbike, hoping like hell that today isn't the day some rich jerk's chauffeur ploughs his SUV into them and a dozen pedestrians. You might not be able to afford the organic food you want, but that you can eat at all places you head and shoulders above most of the world. You don't share one room with six other family members and a bathroom with the occupants of another five rooms like yours. You can afford your hobbies. You receive disability money from the government and aren't forced to beg on the side of the road.
You are rich by most people's standards, if not by your own. You're consuming a disproportionate amount of the planet's resources despite and crying poor because you don't own a Cadillac and eat lobster. And where do these resources come from? Well, hey, first world countries just don't produce enough gas, oil, steel, coal, etc to meet their needs. Think about it.
Think about the Kenyans who starve while green beans and snowpeas are flown out of the country daily bound for UK supermarket shelves.
God help me, you need to stay away from all this conspiracy rubbish and prattling on about a world you don't understand. It's interesting reading your take on your weight, even if I don't buy a lot of it. You've a different perspective and a unique voice and when you talk about your personal experience you can draw on your own struggles. But this right wing conspiracy stuff is beneath any sane person.
sorry, fellow, I agree with 500 pound peep. She is very politically accurate; America is being used as a scapegoat, by all the rest of the countries in the world.we're the only bad ones in the world? When you are confronted with Middle Eastern Arab dictators??
DeleteYou are following the liberal left-wing political line, that says that we're supposed to be more worried about Africa than our fellow Americans,who don't have enough to eat.
you can compare Africa to Oregon, because Oregonians are dirt poor also.but people like you always ignore the poor in their own country, because it's "fashionable". You are pathetic.
I used to be a liberal, very into politics, many years ago, and I recognize the party line. That's exactly what you're spouting. Why don't you try doing your own thinking for a change?
And you are accusing the writer of this blog, of being "rich in comparison to other people in the world." I happen to know the writer of this blog, and often she cannot get food to eat. she can't get food to eat regularly!
Americans like her are not "consuming a disproportionate amount of the planets resources." China has so many people, they are doing that,and India.
why are you ranting about "conspiracy rubbish"? How would you know what a conspiracy is?
hidden secrets in the world and in government, go on all the time that we don't know about.
there is huge discrimination against fat people, and they get blamed for everything. Many Americans are starving to death now.you don't believe me come to Oregon, and look at the homeless and hungry here. I forgot, You like to let other people do your thinking for you. why am I trying to talk to someone who can't even think?
Hi Unknown, welcome to the blog.
DeleteI am glad you agree. Yes America the new scapegoat, and as our brainwashed PC globalist set, who has been indoctrinated by the multinational corporations they either are invested in or work for, have been trained to 'throw this country" away while they are interested in "developing" [cough "raping" cough] the third world definitely do not care about America's poor or that America's economy is collapsing. I dare say this person probably inherited their sneering contempt for poor people in America as the abusers of all the world's resources as well, via some conferences or others. I mean they sell this stuff constantly to them. I even have heard this in churches, what am I to think in a small rural community where I know people are living in campers and homeless and unemployed and they are shilling for even more money to to be sent to some new celebrity overseas cause?
You are right America is the new scapegoat. And fat people and the poor becoming scapegoats overall. After all when the politicians get on TV, they don't talk about the trillions of dollars of bankbail outs or the endless wars overseas for other corporations like Halliburton, they blame the poor as the cause of the economy collapsing. Strange that, since these are the people in the first place who outsourced all the jobs. Even Obama was recently busily working on the new NAFTA, the Trans Pacific trade deals, adding more countries to the roster for them to outsource jobs too.
It makes you wonder when they play the blame America games when there are countries like Middle East dictators.
I totally agree with this:
"You are following the liberal left-wing political line, that says that we're supposed to be more worried about Africa than our fellow Americans,who don't have enough to eat."
They really have gone that way haven't they? Sometimes I am in shock, they are so out of touch, but I know in the haves and have not world in America or maybe Canada in this woman's case, the haves are living in their own kind, in affluent suburbs and other areas. They aren't seeing the closed stores, and ramshackle surroundings, or empty foreclosed houses in many parts of America. They live among their own kind, real estate via zip code and cash. But hey even then, poor Americans? They sneer at them, saying send all the money overseas, having no loyalty to their fellow country men. With the poor Africans, they never see the money either. Do these people really expect in places with no good read NON-corrupt infrastructure, that the poor ever see the gobs of money? No the local warlords, chieftans and politicans scoop it all up. Their naivete' reaches to the skies.
Yeah these wealthy types definitely have been trained to ignore the poor in their own country and to be invested in the globalist vision, the same one mind you that is absolutely destroying the American economy in the first place. See how that works? The great money clean out in America has begun. I wonder how many Swiss bank accounts are being filled with many of the "end poverty" campaigns.
I used to be a liberal too, I am not really a "conservative" well I consider most of them neo-cons now, so I recognize the party line too and what they told me. Still remember one liberal group I was in, where they would focus on trendy things like recycling why I went home to contend with being homeless. Wonder if I could have told them, I was a recycler extraordinare dumpster diving and such, sleeping on an old mattress out of the trash? LOL Out of touch, doesn't even begin to cut it.
DeleteI know I laughed when she told me I was "rich" compared to the other people in the world.
There is wealth where one does not need money to count.
I did find myself thinking I would rather be living in a third world country at least there I would most likely unless I got seduced into a city corporate sweat shop or stolen for slavery, would be in a village with a kin group or extended family. I would know how to forage food and provide for myself. Perhaps I would only be moderately fat and have decent lungs, instead of being shredded apart by a toxin filled society? I would not live on the edges of a society where I am told what a piece of crap I am for being both poor and fat, stigamatized for years and years. I would be surrounded by others who were poor too.
Now I will say this at least in America, we have running water, we have medicine for the poor, we have food, if you are starving--though serious be careful of what they are handing out in the food pantries these days, some time ago, I had a can literally almost explode in my face when opening it up. I had heat and water even in my slum ghetto mouse and ratfilled apartment. But look at these types, they are so dismissive of American poor people, they condemn us for having the above. They want it taken away, do they not? They want us taken down to the level of the third world, and given what their corporate masters are up to, those days probably are not too far off, where American poor people will be living at a third world status, in shacks and shanty towns just like in Brazil, because they cannot afford rent anymore. They also most likely will be going hungry too as the economy continues to implode. The only problem is, many of us do not have the skill sets to grow our own food, or forage and our social networks have been smashed to smithereens.
You are right, I am very food insecure. Ive had the days where there has been nothing to eat for lunch or dinner, or I have scrounged eating a can of beans. I do things like buy 1 dollar cans of ham from the Dollar Store for husband and I to have something to eat at the end of the month when money grows lower. Ive had to go to food pantries. So yeah this lady telling me I am "rich" compared to the rest of the world, that's a joke. I don't own anything, and pay rent, [the rule in my household has always been rent before food because homelessness has loomed before.] At least the third worlder may at least own their shack. LOL
DeleteI find her claim I use a disproporationate amount of the world's resources absurd as well. I guess as I said per the above, all us poor Americans are to be relegated to that future shanty down or living in shacks according to people like this. I guess my "carbon" footprint would be lower. :P But isn't it lower in the very fact I am not jetsetting across the world burning up fuel? I haven't been in a plane since 1992. Yes air travel is for the wealthy. I buy everything used. Someone at my financial status is not shopping for recreation. While I may spent a little bit on hobbies, I am spending 5 bucks in more food secure months for used stamp collections or having them sent to me for 'free'..just had uncle of a friend do so.
I didn't have any children either, and while they have 7-8-9-10 kids in these countries where the overcrowding, is so immense, they live in the resultant squalor, it seems some would get a bit more reasonable about that. Most poor Americans of my particular culture and upbringing are choosing NOT to have children, because they cannot afford them. Generation X definitely has not had their own baby-boom. I was raised to bring up a child in decent circumstances, now being infertile, the choice was made for me, but there is such a thing now, in America as being TOO POOR TO HAVE CHILDREN. I know people in this boat.
Yeah the 'conspiracy stuff" I find incredulous. Like we aren't having lies and backroom deals exposed to us in the nightly news all the time?
Yes we have homeless and hungry here now too. I am sorry that is happening to Oregon. I have FRIENDS who have been homeless, and who are living off the help of other people. In many cases, the lack of a good job, has led to the streets.
I hope even if they do not return to respond, that they read the different responses here. I am glad this subject got so much responses, and think things out and question what they have been told.
"The US has approximately a quarter of the population of China and India, give or take a hundred million while using four times the energy of China and eight times that of India."
ReplyDeleteYes these things are often quoted, but as China [take a look at pictures of Shanghai by the way and India modernize, this WILL change.
"None of these lobster eating (such an outdated cliché) bigwigs are saying that the world outside of America is a dusty backwater populated by tribesman who think a handcranked radio is the height of sophistication."
It's not like Americans are being told the truth about the rest of the world. Why are certain things emphasized and not others. Actually some of us are tiring of America being blamed for the world's entire problems. I can concede that "our police man of the world" nonsense has caused troubles worldwide but everything else? Nope.
Anyhow once the economy collapses here, the third world will be better off in that a higher level of the population knows how to live off the land, farm, grow their own food and has the asset of stronger social networks.
"Heck, have you even travelled? I've been Shanghai a number of times. I've also been to lesser known Chinese cities, the ones where no effort is made to hide the communal toilets used by peasants. Even Shanghai is no paradise. Unless you're at least middle class by Chinese standards or a rich foreigner you're not exactly reaping the benefits of all the updated infrastructure."
Yes there are peasants in China.
However next time you go to visit China, perhaps read how Mao was so focused on redistributing the wealth, something that will FAIL, done globally this time instead of nationally. Get what I mean? I hope so.
I am too poor to travel, I am not a wealthy boho who upon seeing some peasants on some luxury train speeding through China, judges their lives as less worthy or horrible beyond measure. I know others who have been to China and told me what it was like. I also have friends living everywhere from Australia to Mexico. One can see pictures online and read books Do many of these countries have people living in severe poverty sure!
What I question is the REDISTRIBUTE the wealth from the WEST plan given what is happening to the American economy. [Again go read what Mao did on the NATIONAL level] Some of us live in reality here. I am not surprised you have the cash to travel extensively, this tells me your socio-economic class is far higher then my own. This also tells me that perhaps in America, you live in a suburban neighborhood where perhaps you are out of touch with the growing poverty, unemployment and more in America. No Americans aren't drinking out of dirty creeks, or having to wash their clothes in the polluted river or having children starving to death. Some of you talk like you can't wait for Americans to live like peasants in huts and that we should all cry copious tears of guilt for having a standard of living here, that is higher or a history of providing for the poor. Just remember that food stamps are a modern version of soup lines and go add up the numbers. 1 in 7 Americans are on them. THink about that number a little bit.
The "redistribute the wealth globally" crowd wants all us Americans to go cry our eyes out and send more money overseas. Now some money sent overseas for a good missionary or independent program that is good, but hey I am not naive enough to think that the poor ever see that money.
For above correction, I am not naive enough to think that the poor ever see most of that money.
ReplyDeleteI provided links describing what WHO said about Korea. So why are all these doctors leaving? I know for a fact one reason in America, we have so many foreign doctors--the majority of my doctors have been from other countries--many of them are GOOD, is that MOST AMERICANS can not afford medical school. So that can go both ways. Anyhow if North Korea isn't losing doctors, I dare say because the medical system is run very differently. They don't have insurance companies taking their cut or insane out of control costs.
Did you even know a DOCTOR SHORTAGE is LOOMING HERE IN THE US?
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/the-coming-doctor-shortage
I do not live hugely indulgent.
ReplyDeleteBy the way to wealthy boho liberals, who love to put down their fellow Americans, some of us have lived in poverty and many live in poverty now. Poverty in America is GROWING. I have had friends who have been homeless. I know families and 40 somethings living with their Mom who would otherwise be homeless. I saw what happened to my old small rural town.
With third world life, in some ways it's better then here. When our economy collapses, for those paying attention to what is happening in Europe and Greece, the third world people will be better off who still live off the land and know how to grow and forage their own food and have strong familial and other social networks. Of course those who have entered the sweat shops of multi-national corporations, will not be in such a good situation. Ah yes the same multi-national corporations like Monsanto. Who by the way are introducing things like terminator seeds to third world farmers. Which means they must buy a new seed stock every year, at costs many of them cannot deal with.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Transnational_corps/GE_Privatization_Seeds.html
Say goodbye to even growing your own food from last year's crop and seed stock.
But globalist liberals will think ah the multinationals and NGOs just have everyone's best interests at heart, and will cry their tears on TV, like Bono, help the poor everyone, when that is the real deal behind the scenes.
It gets weird how sniffy types, tell people in America, You are rich, and at fault. Their out of touch glances, which want you to feel at fault for not dying in the gutter or having food to eat, are astonishing. I think people should help who they feel led to help by God. Many may want to finance something overseas for people but to do so at the sake of condemning societies that have come out of disease and starving urchins, is the height of insanity.
ReplyDeleteHave I had a HIGHLY INDULGENT lifestyle?
I.....
a. Lived without a car for at least 6 years of my life.
b. Lived in ONE room for at least 7-9 years of my life. 5 of those years without a oven and just a oh I can't think of the name, its when you have one oven spiral, that plugs in.
c. Suffered the indignities of a rat/mice infested apartment. A nightmare on many levels. [Yes I have admitted this poverty already on this blog.
d. Lived in a place where I heard gunfire at night, and did not feel safe going out alone at all once darkness fell.
e. Did not watch TV for at least 5 years during that stretch except at stores and occasional friend's house.
f. Went without medicine, and health care, on numerous occasions.
So want to discuss the HUGELY INDULGENT lifestyle again?
Even NOW, I buy everything USED, I have not bought a new piece of furniture in my entire adult life outside of one 25 dollar lamp. I do not "shop" outside of an occasional used book or cheap comic book. The only things I buy new are food and things like shampoo.
Why don't you got to Appalachia, or small towns in some of our states going broke with unemployment at the REAL Numbers of 22% and start lecturing them about their "indulgent" lifestyles. How about those who live in poverty in our ghettos too while you are at it? Why don't you tell more unemployed people in America who have seen their jobs disappear because our manufacturing base is being dismantled and outsourced overseas what highly "indulgent" people they are.
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/55-interesting-facts-about-the-u-s-economy-in-2012
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-post-who-destroyed-middle-class-part-2
Just so you know I am not either a Republican or a Democrat.
ReplyDeleteOne thing with the use of the word "conspiracy". Why do some think conspiracies do not exist in this world? We have "conspiracies" lies and corruption exposed nightly on the daily news. So conspiracies do not exist. How does that add up?
Ah finite amount of resources, I know they are using that to tell people you must give up everything. One thing, I want to ask you, what will it do for the world for one group of people to be brought down will it enrich the others? When Mao, sent the intellectuals and landowners to work in the fields, did it help keep the other peasants from starving when they instituted insane rules for the communes? I read many memoirs of that time. I am just curious about your reasoning here. How will the Sub-saharan peasant, benefit if Americans are so poor they can't afford cars and are relegated to walking or hey how about the wealthy people of Dubai?
I am not sure how this thinking works...it is flabbergasting I feel kind of lost in where you are going.
What do you want for the poor of America? To be as poor as those in foreign countries where children die in the road, and where disability means sure death?
It seems odd, I lose either way, I got the right wing telling me I am a poor "leech" on the government supposedly responsible for the growing govt debt, while they send trillions to bankers at the trough and more trillions for wars overseas.
I got the left wing telling me I stink because I am not a poor peasant living a hut, and should be. I almost died of a untreated medical conditions due to poverty and I still have to hear this nonsense from self satisfied types.
I experienced such bad poverty that today is good. I got food in the fridge and paid the electric bill. Thank God.
So am I supposed to fix the whole rest of the world's problems? I can barely take care of myself. I am curious why some think 300 million people can provide for the teeming needs of 7 billion others? That is the height of insanity. Why isn't China a modern nation having its educated, wealthy and liberal class yelling at its poor to send their wealth overseas. NO they are busy colonizing Africa for their resources and buying our land up too in poor areas. Did you know about that? Maybe not.
http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/20/toledo-china-real-estate/?iid=HP_River
There is a centralization of power going on. Hey maybe you want all those UN elites with ties to the multi-national corporations to have total power.
All I know is absolute power corrupts.
As for the production of steel.
ReplyDeleteHave you even kept up with things?
They have been closing steel companies in America like gangbusters.
Sure they send food out of countries that NEED it, but who is making those decisions.
Why do you want more centralization of power where people up on high determine who eats and who doesn't?
http://www.politicalarticles.net/blog/2011/02/04/the-egyptian-tinderbox-how-banks-and-investors-are-starving-the-third-world/
Do you realize the BIG picture of what is being DONE to people?
If you did, you would not be thinking OH BOY WTO! OH BOY WHO!
This author was right to say FOLLOW THE MONEY!
Pay attention this part:
New Meaning to the Old Adage “Don’t Play With Your Food”
"At one time food was considered a poor speculative investment, because it was too perishable to be stored until market conditions were right for resale. But that changed with the development of ETFs (exchange-traded funds) and other financial innovations.
As first devised, speculation in food futures was fairly innocuous, since when the contract expired, somebody actually had to buy the product at the “spot” or cash price. This forced the fanciful futures price and the more realistic spot price into alignment. But that changed in 1991. In a revealing July 2010 report in Harper’s Magazine titled “The Food Bubble: How Wall Street Starved Millions and Got Away with It,” Frederick Kaufman wrote:"
Would you tell that author, that is all NONSENSE conspiracy RUBBISH?
I am just curious.
Eselle Thanks for checking that out. Glad it was fixed.
ReplyDeleteOh, ffs, my reply was too long. I can't be bothered breaking it up so here are a few things -
ReplyDelete- I have no need to see pictures of Shanghai as I visit the city regularly for work. It's about as representative of China as a whole as San Francisco is of the US.
- I've seen poverty in the US. I work in an industry that means travel to horrible out of the way places you wouldn't send your worst enemy to on holiday. Some of those little towns are dreadful. They'd be vastly improved with access to healthcare and a strong k-12 education system. As it is the inhabitants are like you, gullible and prone to taking op-ed pieces from questionable websites as gospel. Hardly the way to build a strong, innovative workforce.
- Quit with the smug superiority. Everyone who's picked up a newspaper is aware that China is buying up resources and farmland in Africa. They want mineral and water rights. So do a number of Middle Eastern countries. It's not a conspiracy. For some countries it's about spreading the risk; if one piece of farmland is useless you head overseas to make use of the better land. For others it's about driving down prices for certain resources. When you own 20% of the world's copper mines you have more of a chance of keeping prices low.
- Your insults are ridiculous. Boho liberal? I vote conservative, albeit in a country where even the conservatives are strong believers in universal healthcare.
- North Korea retains its doctors not because of insurance companies being fairer there (seriously? Seriously????) but because it's a country which is damn hard to escape owing to its borders. Assuming you get out you can expect relatives left behind to be detained, tortured, possibly killed. Again, that North Korea has sufficient doctors is not something that WHO officials were using as an example of the country's good government. The WHO, like NGOs and the UN is granted access to the country at the whim of its crazed dynasty of dictators. So saying that that the country doesn't suffer the ills of other countries whose medical professionals go overseas in search of higher salaries is neither a compliment nor a condemnation, rather a diplomatic observation that the country, while thoroughly dysfunctional, doesn't have to worry about a lack of medical personnel.
- Not interested in playing the poverty Olympics. While I was a student I'd regularly skip meals so I could afford to pay my rent. There were weeks when even my subsidised inhalers where too expensive and I spun them out and did my best not to exert myself. It sucked but except for a fortunate few, most of us will experience poverty at some point so I got on with things and accepted my lot. I'm not dwelling on it years later or trying to blame that period for the fact that I wear a size 22 on a good day.
- People like me don't want to redistribute wealth. I'll not be swapping my car for a pushbike. What we want is smarter use of the resources we have and investment in education and new technologies. We want women to have the children they can afford, and access to reliable long term birth control so successive generations are not squabbling over what few resources we have left.
- Finally, since you're a fan of God-directed charity. Why are you claiming disability? Why aren't you throwing yourself on the mercy of a local church and hoping for the best? Wait, that's right, it doesn't work.
Feel free to continue with the conspiracy theories backed up with questionable links but I'm not going to debate someone who thinks that statistics should be twisted to fit her silly theories and that reading a few memoirs of the cultural revolution makes her both a sinologist and an economist. It's a shame you don't stick with what you know and have experienced, your blog used to be so interesting.
What part of Peep's message was right wing? And illusion is king, there ARE conspiracies, they're not just theories. What she says just might be beneath any sane person who is brainwashed and they apparently did a good job with you.
ReplyDelete"The US has approximately a quarter of the population of China and India"
ReplyDeleteWell who told them to have so many darn kids? Attack us for being large and not them for reproducing so much? And perhaps we are larger anyway due to genetics; chinese seem to have small bone structure, no? , give or take a hundred million while using four times the energy of China and eight times that of India. Well aren't we producing and transporting food that's exported to them, with this energy too? Whose fault is it that we use that energy? Aren't corporations using it to manufacture and transport products? Aren't the energy producing corporations in the business of getting us to consume their energy products?
"None of these lobster eating (such an outdated cliché)"
Is that considered an ad hominem type of attack?
"bigwigs are saying that the world outside of America is a dusty backwater populated by tribesman who think a handcranked radio is the height of sophistication"
Then where did you dig up that example from?
"Heck, have you even travelled? I've been Shanghai a number of times. I've also been to lesser known Chinese cities, the ones where no effort is made to hide the communal toilets used by peasants. Even Shanghai is no paradise. Unless you're at least middle class by Chinese standards or a rich foreigner you're not exactly reaping the benefits of all the updated infrastructure."
OK, well then so the middle class Chinese are benefitting from the infrastructure? The poor here might not be benefitting from infrastructure here either.... but perhaps they're hiding that there is a sizeable middle class in China just like there is here or making them out to be slave laborers who live in crowded run down quarters? I'm sure you find that in the US too. OK; I mean they make it seem like there is no middle class in China; only poor people starving. Might be some of those here too eh?
"The fact that you would judge Chinese standards of living (hey, have a look at how even the middle class live in the extreme west of the country and tell me that's something you could cope with) based on a city that's been the recipient of an inordinate amount of money and attention from the Chinese government suggests you are clueless about China, and by extension, the rest of the world.
OK, they're taking 1 comment and applying it to whether you are clueless to not only China, but the rest of the world?"
What makes you an expert just from going to acouple of a couple of places so you think you know the rest of the world? And isn't that what they're doing abroad with regard to the people of the US? Making us look like a bunch of rich indulgent people maybe by showing a few rich people or the spoiled celebrities and such? I dunno maybe there's a large population in Shanghai; NYC has maybe 8 million; that's more than half the states here. So might have to research that; maybe that's why they get more money; more people there?
"A big problem for governments in the developing world is the exodus of their medical staff to first world countries. Doctors and nurses can earn more in a year abroad than they could expect in a decade at home, so why wouldn't they leave?"
ReplyDeleteI dunno but maybe they are given other incentives to come here; would have to research that because I know about dentists; they made it real hard to impossible for foreign dentists to pass the state boards. Don't know about medical. But wonder if it's that way now. Maybe their countries are stupid and they should pay back the education costs if they leave the country.... right? Here the students pay dearly for their educations. Maybe what they'd earn in a decade would go far in their country and not as far here so maybe we only get the greedy ones here... no?
But when they leave they take with the cost of years of education from cash strapped governments and deprive a population of much needed medical care. That North Korea doesn't have this problem isn't so much a feather in their cap as one less thing for a hugely struggling country to worry about.
"There is no global conspiracy to take control of the world's resources and deny you a chance to live a life that is (to the average inhabitant of the earth) hugely indulgent."
Does it seem to you that perhaps they never heard of Agenda 21?
"What certain NGOs, academics and scientists want is for the planet to recognise that we have a finite number of resources and they need to be managed properly. You and your husband share a car between you. Sure, it might not be the fanciest car, but it runs and it's just the two of you. Compare this with a Sub-Saharan peasant who can only dream of owning a motorbike. Or a family in India crammed five to a motorbike, hoping like hell that today isn't the day some rich jerk's chauffeur ploughs his SUV into them and a dozen pedestrians. You might not be able to afford the organic food you want, but that you can eat at all places you head and shoulders above most of the world. You don't share one room with six other family members and a bathroom with the occupants of another five rooms like yours. You can afford your hobbies. You receive disability money from the government and aren't forced to beg on the side of the road. "
Well it might come to that at some point eventually; you're always on the edge? Oh, and aren't there laws prohibiting that sort ofr thing here, cramming 5 people on a motorbike or 6 in a room?
"You are rich by most people's standards, if not by your own. You're consuming a disproportionate amount of the planet's resources despite and crying poor because you don't own a Cadillac and eat lobster. "
And What the heck does THAT mean? Does that make sense? Who says you're consuming a disproportionate amount of resources; who is this schmuck, the ration czar?
"And where do these resources come from? Well, hey, first world countries just don't produce enough gas, oil, steel, coal, etc to meet their needs. Think about it. "
Yeah; I'm thinking about it; they shut down steel mills; trying to destroy the coal industry here! Why don't we produce it; if the other countries are producing they should have plenty to eat; wealth comes from the land, and wealth travels from the poor to the rich.
"Think about the Kenyans who starve while green beans and snowpeas are flown out of the country daily bound for UK supermarket shelves."
ReplyDeleteYeah; and when you think about the last sentence I had, why in the world is THAT happening? Who's sending the food out of Kenya so the people there should starve? Who's planting and picking it, the wealthy?
"God help me, you need to stay away from all this conspiracy rubbish and prattling on about a world you don't understand."
No it's you that doesn't understand; unless you're just want to be what Stalin called useful idiots.
"It's interesting reading your take on your weight, even if I don't buy a lot of it. You've a different perspective and a unique voice and when you talk about your personal experience you can draw on your own struggles. But this right wing conspiracy stuff is beneath any sane person."
Oh an extra billion people because of fatness? Yeah do they have to build an extra million or so homes with plumbing and air conditioners to house the extra billion nonexistent people? Maybe they have too many mountains; those weigh a lot too y'know. Or how about lakes? Rivers? Oh wow; the Arabs DRIVE everywhere? I thought they rode camels across the deserts.... This WHO seems to have their opinions on people; why do they have to find reasons to put people down? How about the friggin warmongers; Americans keep going to war to rob the wealth of other countries; maybe we should be gotten rid of for that. Oh, now they think they need to have strengthened surveillance over everyone's weight in the countries; y'know it really bugged me that they weighed the kids on the first day of school and recorded it; it's none of their friggin business, ugh. Oh crap, and interventions by GOVERNMENT? Instead of debtors prison maybe they'll have overeaters prison now?
To the previous anon, quit using the term "conspiracy theory", because so far you haven't even been specific about what you "disagree" with. I hate when people use that term anyhow, its like pavlovian dogs everytime someone has a new idea, that counterdicts the status quo, some droid shouts conspiracy theory and brains shut off.
ReplyDeleteSome questions for you.
1. Why do you think globalist organizations like the United Nations, WTO, WHO should tell the United States what to do about obesity? By the way, there are people who stand against the globalism and centralization of power that do not fit your stereotypes like Naomi Klein.
2. Why do you defend China and these other countries in all their actions? Why is America responsible for China's poor? Why aren't the wealthy and middle class of China being called to "help"? Especially when we are basically going into a DEPRESSION here? And yes that is hitting the mainstream news by the way.
Even liberal websites like Huffington Post are referring to the "NEW DEPRESSION"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-baker/the-instant-solution-to-t_b_1563007.html
So what if you have seen poverty in the USA
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a. You still think American people are responsible for all the poor people in the world, and that we are the reason they are poor. Your dithering on about all the resources we supposedly use up pointed to that basic fact of where you stand.
You come across as elitist to the max.
"dreadful little towns"
Well I lived in one.
And I found it anything but dreadful.
b. Your comments about a "superior workforce" {I have a college degree and nearly another, but also would be considered to be well-read by most people}
I talked about the elitism going on now where they seem to be forming a class of employables and unemployables, and education and smarts is not really the determining factor but class and conformity.
Why again why is America responsible for China's poor? You admit that they are buying resources and farmland in other countries. Well if the Chinese elite have cash to do that, why is the average America responsible for feeding Chinese poor people then? Whose looking out for America's poor? I sure haven't seen China or any of these other countries coming to run to OUR AID, when we have had one of our multitudes of natural disasters.[KATRINA anyone?] It is strange how some who have drank the globalist Kool-Aid, seem to ignore endless holes in logic like that. Keep sending your money overseas, I guess you have joined in support of the the corporate types in sending all the jobs overseas. Here too America somehow glommed on the police man of the world job, which I think we should have abandoned long ago. It's only bankrupted us and enriched Halliburton.
So where is the "conspiracy" in that?
Weird how you give China carte blanche to go colonize the world and seize resources for themselves, but then criticize individuals like me, for using up too many of the "world resources"
What a joke.
Yes even todays "conservatives" have basically become neo-liberals, but a lot of the liberals are excusing the police state supporting NDAA which Obama signed so they barely are resembling what they used to., so I won't give you a hard time about that. If you believe everything you hear on the news, I guess what else would you believe?
ReplyDeleteYes North Korean doctors can't leave.
Ours are leaving.
I guess you can figure out your own logic there. Why did the W.H.O. praise them?
Why are you OK with Americans unable to afford to become doctors?
More of that elitism?
and What on earth is "POVERTY OLYMPICS?"
So you had to eat a few ramen noodles as a student, big deal.
This is elitist too. I have written that I believe they do not want Americans writing about what it is like to be poor. Hey there are many who want the poor and working classes of America silenced. IBetter for us all to be sold a bill of goods. Hey you don't have to care about what I have been through or what millions of Americans are going through as they lose jobs. { I am married and while he didn't make big money, he had professional employment for years}, even with that snide comment you show your elitism and contempt for the poor, well those who are poor as adults...at least. So you stayed a size 22 good for you. Are you going to now unload the fat hatred on me for passing the line of healthy and acceptable fat? Reading this blog, haven't you figured out that was NOT MY CHOICE?
So your claim that it is bad for someone to talk about poverty {the things I have spoken of have been BOTH PAST AND PRESENT with my husband's lay-offs, I guess I am not surprised. I am used to some types not wanting to admit what is going on. Otherwise what is your point?
So whose going to deterimine the "smarter" use of resources? The United Nations? The "czar of resources" my other commenter mentioned? If we can't even trust the multi-national corporations to even have an ounce of loyalty to this place--I just read Bank of AMERICA--ha funny that, is sending more jobs overseas to INDIA, we are supposed to hand that sort of power over to a bunch of dictator lovers that we do not even have the power to vote for or not?
ReplyDeleteWhat if they tell you that you have to replace your car with a push bike? Will you bow before their "greater wisdom" then? By the way do please GOOGLE AGENDA 21, mentioned above.
As for investment in education, America has NOW the highest level of unemployed and underemployed people ever, what is more college degrees going to do but bring in more student debt? I remember hearing Obama talking about investing in education the same week, he was signing more free trade deals like NAFTA [the Pacific trade deal] to send more jobs overseas. What an absolute joke. It is rhetoric, it sounds good, but means nothing.
What jobs will there be when they have been sent overseas and that includes high level technological work, they have been outsourcing everything from IT to radiology screening where they send X-rays overseas for foreign doctors to assess. Does this mean you AGREE with China buying up our land and towns--they have bought entire swaths of land in Montana and now Toledo Ohio.
Funny how we are supposed to be responsible for feeding and *helping their poor, and not using up THEIR RESOURCES which you made sure to verbally slap me around for, while their rich and haves are over here scooping up what they can!!!!!
One reason America is failing, people just can't think anymore. They have listened to the dumbed down news, where they have been trained to shut down their minds every time some idiot yells conspiracy theory. They don't ask question or think things through.
Per the above, there is GIANT HOLES in YOUR LOGIC considering the WORLD'S RESOURCES and their use. Why should I accept you as an "expert" beyond my knowledge, when you can't even get basics like the above I pointed out.
Same for the fat people, why should I put up with some United Nations organization telling me that my fat butt is the reason the world is starving! What a crock of garbage. Looks like you drank the Kool-Aid.
To the other commenter thanks for your posts too, it looks like you found many of the holes in logic too. Speaking of Kenya and other nations. America historically has always given the MOST AID to foreign lands and for YEARS TOO. We have church and other Christian organizations sending help.
ReplyDeleteOne reason the poor never see the money or help is CORRUPTION. There too why are Americans responsible for their crooked "haves" sending all of their food overseas instead of feeding their own people with it?
This is what I mean about people NOT THINKING THINGS OUT.
Sadly America is getting just as corrupt. This is why there are smug upper class INDOCTRINATED Americans who look down on poor Americans and tell them, YOU ARE USING UP THE WORLD RESOURCES.
Hey where did they get all that from?
right on!
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