Wednesday, June 22, 2016

CICO believer Has Some Wisdom to Share



There's a lot of wisdom on this unfortunately titled video, but "Rhino" is right about Samoa, they went from near famine living for eons and then became the fattest population in the world. I differ with him in that I believe there are other influences on obesity. He definitely is more of a believer in CICO, I believe the evidence for other large environmental impacts on obesity are there.

The other day in thinking about the obesity epidemic, I brought up a point to a friend, what if some of the obesity epidemic had roots in all the food rationing of World War II, where people definitely had to restrict what they had to eat and how much? Rhino addresses the setting people up for failure, via the diet industry. He has a point about how the politicians always resort to prohibition and taxation and both avenues are doomed for failure.  He is right about how they need to teach SUSTAINABLE things that are possible not quick fixes and other nonsense. He's a CICO believer which I do not agree with but he has other wisdom here, I agree with. We need better food and more access to better food. I wish there was more help for fat people too in terms of exercise, and not just exercise that will hurt but will become something enjoyable adding to someone's life.

 I'm found out my community recently has a "medically fragile" gym for disabled and elderly people, via the local hospital. I'm not sure if I can afford it, it will take time to save for the first fee. I'm not sure if I can be approved as I do have many serious health problems including the COPD but I am looking into it and PLAN TO ASK. The Dial A Ride bus could get me there.   One has to get a doctor's approval.  Hopefully I would not be deemed as too far gone, but I think having some structure in a safe environment on non-housebound days could help rather then hurt.  Could it hurt for me to lift a few weights?  At home, physical therapy took me from the oxygen brink a few years ago. I reduced falls and was able to increase some stamina. It seems like a far better and SAFER option then the Y.  If physical therapy kept me alive longer what could that do?

If they really care about fat people, they need to help us do what we can do. The financial and other barriers need to be removed in terms of healthy food and exercise too. Those people getting so obese on the Islands, the cheap and processed food being spread among their population hurt them too.



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  1. AAH, HI, I read a long time ago, about the effect of rationing food,sugar,heavy meat,butter, fat,etc, during WW2, on the British,and Americans.. ok, get this: coronary heart attacks went DOWN tremendously.the health of the average person improved quite a bit.That was amazing about heart disease,and heart attacks.---it really was better!!People who would have been very heavy,lost weight,all those health problems we have now,were greatly improved.I was amazed.It may be,that eating less calories for the average,healthy adult,can lead to better health,especially the heart and strokes.You have to remember,in the 1940's,the food was very different.Sure,frying,and other methods still existed.I think most foods were less processed.--all those processed foods were started in the 1950's(I believe) when times got better.BACK TO EATING FOR PLEASURE!!AND, more of it.I now understand why the FRENCH MIGHT HAVE AN EDGE;PORTIONS ARE SMALLER.I like the idea of eating less on a diet,but not "forbidding" food groups."calories in,calories out."If you eat the goodie only seldom,you can still have it.--and not a HUGE ONE.BIG seems to be an American thing.(about the gym,only start with one lb. weights,or lighter.YES, we do need better food.We don't need our food to be processed so much!I have lost weight, eating whole-grain,and wheat-grain bagels--and not huge ones.Plus, i don't eat them all the time.don't put tons of stuff on them.THANKS!!good article!!

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    1. Now they are saying eating fat will help people lose weight and the people eating higher fat foods in the 50s were thinner but what about all the heart attacks? Of course some say the heart attacks came from sugar. One sure can feel confused. I do think we were better off when food was less processed, it lasted longer and I think hunger levels went up as a result. When I have good food, it has longer lasting power but it is so expensive. I think eating gross and unpleasurable food will backfire. The French try to get a bang for their buck.

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  2. https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?act=url&depth=1&hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.20min.ch/ausland/news/story/Wollte-sich-Mateen-an-schwulen-Latinos-raechen--19664417&usg=ALkJrhiwVTKsCVa_17lRByxht49v_k2XBg

    (it is a newspaper in Switzerland, reporting that the Orlando massacre was really a ex-gay lovers' revenge.--not a terrorist.the shooter was getting revenge agaionst all gays.)

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    1. I read too he was angry because his crush was kissing someone else as well.

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  3. I think if he insists on walking around imitating a giant penis with ears, I am within my rights to insist he wear a full body condom.

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    1. LOL The picture on the video is awful. I don't get that bulk up show off. I saw some commenters making quips on steroids. Hope he doesn't do those and is just very muscular.

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  4. I suffered from the misconception that prisoners of war benefited from the duration of virtually no caloric intake but in googling around I found any short term benefits were offset by diseases arising from a lack of vitamins and minerals. Specifically a major increase of lower leg edema and eventual pulmonary embolism presumably from a lack of certain B vitamins.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7730852
    It seems that no one can control for everything in a study. I saw where wine drinkers had better health, which at first was attributed to substances that certain wines produce naturally, when in reality wine drinkers tend to be more affluent and living a healthier life style in the beginning and it was just sloppy data analysis that attributed the benefits to drinking wine.

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    1. Have you seen that famous starvation study, where some volunteered to be starved and they gained weight and went nuts.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Starvation_Experiment

      This is why I think CICO is BS. Also too what about hunger levels some of the people say oh it's just some discomfort. They need to do some research on fat people and hunger.

      I've waited 20 minutes drank water, etc it doesn't let up. I can mess up a blood sugar in the morning if I go to bed too hungry, I swear this is a science project....at least tomorrow I will get my hands on a lot of vegetables. Frustrated now because I feel a leg infection nibbling at me just because I walked outside for a bit and cleaned the fridge out with husband's help. These infections or avoiding them ruin my activity levels. I don't think I will get one but its frustrating, every time I "push" myself at all one tries to come and get me.

      I know someone who had a stroke starving on HGB diet, 500 calories a day and I believe that starvation causes the leg edema and pulmonary edema. I know Several people who died within one year of weight loss surgery and massive weight loss. Heart attacks and even one who got cancer. Starvation stresses the body and what is WLS but induced starvation? I believe of course obesity is starvation of the poor in many cases due to bad food. When I'm scourging the vegetables have already been eaten.

      The carb level goes up.

      The diseases from lack of vitamins and minerals yes are a very bad problem. I am nutritionally deficient across the board. So many vitamin shortages I'm surprised I don't have scurvy added in. People lose hair and other bad effects too.

      I agree most of the wine drinkers are more affluent. You get better food when you are better off, higher nutrition, etc.

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  5. Since this gym program is affiliated with your local hospital, I believe they are required to accept Medicare as payment. Now to get your MD on board to make the referral so you can start-next challenge, right? Anything that helps you avoid the infections would be a lot safer and more cost effective over the long haul than repeat doses of antibiotics in addition to improving the quality of your life.

    I don't know much about food except it's not at all what I ate decades ago when chicken was yellow instead of this anemic white stuff, for example. I never got on the margerine bandwagon etc. either. It seems to me a "food" such as this which is entirely chemical can't possibly be better for me than butter even if it's touted as tasting like, speaking like etc. the real thing. You're far more knowledgeable about all of this than I am, Peep. All I know is I've been using the same recipes for decades and they don't taste the same. In fact, without marinades, rubs, herbs, spices, wine etc. food has no taste except what I drown it in.
    I'm fed up with food. ;-)
    TW

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    1. I think Medicare would be involved the paper work mentions something about disabled people. I need a safer way to exercise, and more options. I am battling a leg infection and took walk yesterday. I think I got too hot outside, it was near 80 degrees, not quite housebound but almost there. It seems to be doing better now. Itching is an early sign. Infection is the greatest risk for Lipedemics. I know the high stages ending up constantly in the hospital on my Facebook boards and one thing every time I got an infection that was bad enough it boosted the diabetes up by one level. Even my going on insulin this year was directly tied to a leg infection.

      It would be more cost effective. The physical therapy I did at home and nursing care probably kept me out of the nursing home.

      I'm unhappy with a lot of food. I do a lot of extreme things for good food a lot of people would never expect, while I put up with some chicken from the food pantry, a lot of my chicken is bought, from the local Mexican market, whatever they have done to ruin American chicken is not being done there and it still has taste. I shop there once to twice a month. I believe they are ruining our food, if you have tons of money the food quality for more expensive food is far higher. Next month I can go to the veggie stand, [hope car keeps running because it is out of the bus jurisdicition] I even eat full hot sauce now, to doctor up the food, and well, I must have acclimated because now it just seems to flavor it a little bit. LOL A lot of food sucks, I avoid margarine like the plague. Hmm the Mexican chicken is yellow now that mention that. When I eat organic and better food my body feels better, affording it is one thing.

      I see my doctor in acouple weeks and will ask him to write me a prescription for the gym. I have to check into transportation there and ask about Dial Ride going there, pretty sure they do. Have to save the entry fee, but it's not too overwhelming.

      I am fed up with food too. I was writing on a diabetes board how I am sick of cooking or figuring out what to eat. I got bad hunger pain last night way after dinner, and ate some cottage cheese and got higher blood sugar, so I am burnt out. Not eating would be cheaper and easier, but the body wont go for that one.

      So yeah I am having to spice up my food and when I do find food with taste it's marvelous and more satisfying but it's getting rare today. I have to go to a food pantry today, its the mobile one with vegetables. All these vegetables would be 70 dollars plus at the store and we are near the end of the month. Yeah I am fed up, was telling husband I feel like a chef with her hands tied, and he ate a sausage I was going to save to flavor some vegetable soup, and I told him oh I didn't want to cook anyhow and opened a can of tomato soup which I am sure was far worse for us. Wish we could both eat at the senior center sometimes where they cook lunch for you but we are too young.

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  6. Yk, sometimes the senior centers here make exceptions esp. for adults who are disabled. (I believe Meals on Wheels does as well.) I know it's just one more thing to call about, but it might be useful. Also, the farmers markets here give out vouchers that actually make fresh locally grown food available for half price or less for people who have SNAP or slightly higher incomes. Do you have anything like this where you are? I can't understand why there isn't a waver policy at the gym especially as it's affiliated with the hospital. Hmm. I hope the food pantry you're going to today isn't the one with the noxious church secretary.

    The reality of completely antibiotic resistant bacterial strains is now a huge problem and getting worse. We have nothing, nada to successfully treat these kinds of infections-and yeah that's scary. I thought of you when I was reading about this development a few weeks ago. There's nothing in the pipeline for CDC approval either. If these strains are capable of knocking relatively healthy people on their ass, the rest of us with chronic health issues are in deep, deep trouble. Yessch, I'm just full of good news today, eh?!

    What's up with the car? What needs doing/repairing/replacing at the moment?
    TW

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    1. I called and asked both and got turned down. Even talked to the senior center director. The mobile food pantry here is where you get the most fruits and vegetables. I even got two giant bags of green beans. I need to cook some of the green beans and carrots tommorow and freeze them but have to get some gallon bags to make this happen. I should ask if there is a waiver policy, I want to even see if I can come on a visit and try it out. [see if the equipment will work for me. Can I sit on it? Are the weights possible? ] I think a daily fee would be better for me, and have to ask them. [Since I am housebound some complete months]

      Yeah the antibiotic resistant strains are scary. Remember my story about my family trying to have me exposed to MRSA? I refused to see my brother for something like 4 years, [not that I had many chances to see him one or two] because I feared getting it. Remember these are not honest people and I could not trust them. I knew at one point he was a carrier and it took him months to admit that to me, and then I found out three others got MRSA from him since his ex-wife sent a complaint letter to us all.

      http://fivehundredpoundpeeps.blogspot.com/2014/11/sister-light-sister-dark.html

      I imagined my leg rotting off. When I think of people walking around with this stuff, they don't quarantine them it's even more frightening. Yeah it is very dangerous stuff. The MRSA thing was many of those straws that broke the camels back.

      The car is running ok, just old. :P

      I will ask questions about the gym, it would be nice. I got salad, cucumbers, carrots, four bags of these big carrots, 2 boxes of salad greens, some beldiva crackers, and avacados, pineapple and many more "healthy" foods. It will make the diet better for a while.




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    2. As for the church secretary she was there...[ggrrrr]

      "We were in shock as this woman came out to yell at her. She was not sitting in front of the door but merely leaning on her walker for a few moments in front of it, due to fatigue. The physical set up is not very accommodating though many of your workers have been helpful in offering a chair, etc. "


      "We have seen people cut in line without being questioned, almost get into a fistfight while we were waiting from 1-2pm to get our number and shouting and yelling very loudly while waiting in the food line."

      "The lack of apparent concern in stopping these behaviors causes us to question how we are treated and how my wife was treated"

      "My wife has dealt with a lot of disrespect for her weight and people feeling that they can speak to her anyway they want to."

      "It is difficult enough to come to a food pantry as it is without having to deal with situations like the above.

      We await and appreciate your response."

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    3. the above is some snippets of the letter we sent.

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    4. The MN who worked at our food pantry got the boot. It was strange, it was the clients who dug their heels in and made it happen. She was always putting the screws to people, and weird things were said, that apparently weren't said, but it all caught up with her. I hardly ever see that happen. It is a good place to be now, without all the bossing. Things work well.

      I know things can get testy for people in line, and this is normal, it can't be ignored, and we have some volunteers who specialize in handling these things, very well, and kindly.

      All this stuff is doable, I hope they do it.

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    5. Wow I am glad she got the boot, maybe enough others complained. Some narcs are not as successful in pulling the wool over everyone's eyes, glad the bossing and meanness is over! I know you are relieved.

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