Sunday, January 15, 2017

Mean "Christians" Want People to Die in the Gutter



I'm having some faith struggles lately, well I know they originated when Aunt Scapegoat died and they have grown really problematic. Leaving the last church has gotten me thinking and questioning things about my own life as a Christian. It's hard to get into all the ins and outs, but even removing myself from Mrs. Curses last year, is part of this complex picture.

I've written on this blog before regarding my experiences in churches:

The Poor and Disabled in Church

Why People are Leaving Church

ACONS and Church

Well obviously I'm not fitting too well in the churches.

I got in a scary Facebook political argument the other day.

Really I should avoid such interactions but sometimes someone pisses me off so much, I can't help myself and I throw myself in the fray. I used to be worse and started avoided political arguments about a year ago but this one I didn't ignore. It ended up with an unfriending and a blocking.

In this conversation I was discussing things with a friend of a friend, she goes to an evangelical church. I didn't know her that well, but you know Facebook sometimes you will friend someone who is friends with someone else. I suppose we befriended each other, being "fellow Christians" and putting up memes of bible verses and more. In this case, she knows I was not an Obamacare supporter in that it cost too much for my household and I considered it too expensive for most with the middle-man insurance guys getting their cut. I support a single-payer system.

My problem is that now they are wickedly telling millions of people no more medical insurance  with NO OTHER OPTIONS, especially now since we have the evil party wanting to throw all the poor in the gutter.

Many people have been on edge because they know about Paul Ryan's attacks on Medicare and what they plan there. Let's just say some are wondering if they are even going to be able to stay alive. The Republican party is basically kicking people in the face now, letting their oppression of the poor they got planned be known and the orange faced man isn't even in office yet. Every disabled person I have talked to, is seriously frightened.

Anyhow in the political argument, I got the usual, "You gotta take personal responsiblity", "Taxation is theft" spiels, and this person told me she shouldn't have to pay for other people's health insurance and that people should get helped by the churches.

I said to her, "What church is going to have tens of thousands of dollars to pay someone's medical bills, this isn't 1850, some caretaking in bed and a swig of whiskey isn't going to cut it anymore." She didn't like that comment. 

Anyhow what scared me is this person actually believed someone like me should just go die instead of costing others money. She pretty much told me as such. How many voted for Trump going on about "muh taxes", as Trump told them it was the poor [mostly minorities in Trump's case] destroying the economy and costing them money. Mr. Billionaire got elected telling the working class and lower middle class to blame poor people as the "lazy dead-beats" raising their taxes, and they all fell for it. Hypercalvinism married to the prosperity gospel--[hey Paula White and pals poured money into the Trump campaign] got people who worship success and money to vote the guy in.

Hey I'd rather my husband did have a good job with good insurance but that kind of fell flat didn't it? I have realized in these people's world, they never have faced adversity and this notion of utter selfishness rules. In my anger, I said you follow more the gospel of Ayn Rand then the gospel of Jesus Christ.  She told me I needed to go repent. I then responded sarcastically, "I'm sorry the disabled are such a burden to you" and that was the end of conservation.

A lot of my old church members on Facebook are distancing themselves from me since I came out against their savior Trump.   If anyone has read this blog for long enough, I do have some conservative views, and some classically liberal ones too, I guess I'm someone whose going to mightily suffer in the "pick a side" or else politics of America. None of them seem to care that while they screamed and yelled about Hillary playing footsie with Goldman Sachs that Trump has now appointed FIVE people from Goldman Sachs. Talk about hypocrisy. None of them keep their views straight.

I have some friendly church members left, but I noticed all except one or two wanted to vote for him. You know when I think back on my church days, I knew in some ways I never fit in, I never had the secure economic foundation 99% of the rest had, nor the family life or the same world views. I wanted to be a good Christian but I often felt even as I attended my IFB churches even in the early years, there was some ways I never fit in.  This hatred for the poor gives me a sick feeling in my stomach. In the Bush years it was there too, and kind of something that then working class me would protest at times but did not realize yet the depth of it.  This conversation got kind of personal but I see the hateful attitudes in general out there and for people worse off then me. Even their gung-ho support to lock half the country up makes me sick.

I don't plan to lose my Christian faith because so many "Christians" suck so much. I was already an atheist for half my life prior, so if you want to reccommend Christopher Hitchen lectures, etc, I've already read them. Sure no one is perfect and there's lots of Christians who help the poor too but you know when people kind of scare you and you know they'd have no problem letting you die in a gutter and they cheer for a sociopath so eagerly it skeeves you out.



26 comments:

  1. I don't think we are supposed to fit in. When I first found the ACON blogs I was so sure I had found the answer, and if I could continue reading, we would be normal. Didn't turn out that way. I am more content now though, because I know the reasons why. Before I was trying and trying and nothing worked, I was not like normal people. Never fit in, still don't.

    I can have moments of extreme happiness, but in no way can I pull off the constant smiles I see for hours on a Sunday.

    I'm surprised church members in the states are gung ho on Trump, I don't see that here, no one likes him, and they find it rather scary. And we have Justin Trudeau, the guy who may have gotten in for he will be allowing pot smoking. I'm sorry people are down on the disabled over there, and even wishing them to die to save some money.

    I think I may be more contented now than before my awakening, but I still have to reach that stage where "I'm ok with it". Cause you know, its the way its got to be.

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    1. yeah I agree, I think the ones who do fit in are the ones who are going to face spiritual troubles. I have given up on ever being normal but yeah, I had that hope too, I could get closer to it, if that makes sense. I have given up the "trying" anymore too, and feel more peace in that way. I'm not trying to jam the peg into the square hole. In this case, I know I don't belong with people like that even if they claim to believe some of the things I believe.

      Agree about the constant smiles thing. Well we know when it's real.

      American culture is different, yeah they got the church people going rah-rah Trump and the rest, there's more liberal churches of course but I am talking about evangelical churches here mostly. Yeah I see even worse backlash against the disabled and poor. I do see Canada as a more peaceful and polite place, maybe I idealize it too much, LOL.

      I agree it's better to seek after being contented too. I know with these people it's better just to walk. I wanted to be "unfriended" from this person, I mean I figured out how they saw everything, it's too much.

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  2. Social darwinism just doesn't go with Jesus.

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    1. I agree. Really they follow Ayn Rand's gospel of selfishness and survival of the fitness. Libertarians can be good about civil liberties, well a few independent thinking ones but there's that whole idolatry of success and wealth that is so appealing to these type of poor hating false Christians. Sadly many are blindly following false pastors. Ayn Rand wasn't a Christian and even directly denounced it. When I have said to such people, what do you expect the uninsured etc, to do. Tough luck, is their response, they weren't responsible enough. Whatever that means.
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  3. Sometimes I think that even when an ACON does fit in okay, there's always the feeling of not fitting in. Like, a person might fit in as well as some other people in some situations, where the nonACON will feel like, yeah I'm fine here and an ACON will feel like an alien, as usual. But as for these cruel people who claim to be Christian, they sound like you're lucky to be rid of them. It's funny how sometimes there's nothing like meeting people who say they share your beliefs, to turn you off from your own beliefs. But it's good you don't let them.

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    1. LOL about meeting people with same beliefs, like meeting heroes I guess with feet of clay. Status really counts for the most among this false Christian set. I think with ACONS you are right there is that ever present feeling of not fitting in and it can be worse in the evangelical church world since it is so family oriented. I noticed people boasted of families in a way that was way over the top. Thanks regarding my beliefs, I do think I follow a whole other "religion" in many ways then they do. I do feel better away from them and their judgments. My husband has done better too, he didn't need put downs from the pulpit every other minute for not having a "regular" high paying job. I know there are many young people and others who have left the churches and the evangelical churches have become echo chambers of conforming Republicans and people who are of certain socioeconomic means. Just not interested but you are right the ACON stuff did mix with this in kind of an icky stew. I was wasting time being around people like that anyhow and I knew they never saw me as one of "them",

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    2. I, for one, am glad you're not one of them. One of the things I really like about your blog is that I can't predict what stance you'll take on something. I mean, I've gotten to know some of your ideas and philosophies, but you aren't a This kind of person or a That kind of person. To me, that's always a sign of a real thinker and it makes the person more trustable - I mean, they've actually thought about what they believe in rather than just drinking the kool aid! - but also more interesting because they have their own ideas. I think you should take it as a compliment that these people didn't accept you. Kool aid factories full of haters will always reject people who think.

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    3. Thanks anon, me too when I sit and think about it though it can make things rough. I don't fit in any single demographic and take each issue as it is, so thanks for saying that is the sign of a real thinker. I think many go into the demographic they think they should belong and just try to conform to what they think a "Christian" is or a good "other category". Yes I should take it as a compliment. I knew I never fit in.

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  4. Materialism "just doesn't go with Jesus" either.

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    1. Agree. Some seem to think being a "good Christian" is about being in this certain demographic and it is one that includes a lot of materialism. Otherwise why are so many "good Christians" out to punish the poor as much as possible via the politicians they support?

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  5. This is lyrics to a Todd Rundgren song about bombing Hiroshima.
    God, god is on our side, he placed the power in our hands
    To teach the yellow peril, this is christian mercy.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJtXTXOOtwI
    I know all the arguments for ending the war early but we still rained a lot of of fire down on unsuspecting civilians and used gods will to excuse it. Can you imagine what it was like to live through it?

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    1. I never agreed with the bombing of civilians like that, no matter the excuses. It was evil. Once I went to a university lecture by some guy who helped to invent the nuclear bomb, or worked at the place they were working on it, and he talked about how it was a great invention. I was sickened and felt total evil around that guy. This had nothing to do with God and everything to do with Satan. Look at the nuts we got now in charge, I remember the days of MAD [mutual assured destruction] and they seem to have no problem pushing war at very moment.

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  6. Some food for thought...

    Whenever God decides to intervene in world events, there is always a powerful corrupt leader acting like a bully who can get away with whatever they want.

    Moses had Pharoah
    David had Goliath

    So I'm guessing there is a servant of God out there somewhere... and perhaps his "Goliath" is Donald Trump.

    Food For Thought.

    Is there a way to privately contact the author of this blog? I think that'd be helpful.

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    1. I hope so....I have an email on the profile. Thanks. :)

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    2. I looked the profile but didn't find an email. It just says you write this blog and not much more information. Not sure if that's what's intended, but I figure I'd make you aware.

      I'd just like to say I enjoy your blog and wanted to encourage you to continue. I know people who talk about these topics often times get backlash, but I wanted to let you know that your work here is helpful.

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    3. Thanks regarding my blog. :)

      Oh I will put my email here fivehundredpoundpeep@gmail.com

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  7. I can't go to those kind of churches anymore. I tried to for many years. The last one I went to made me feel so ill that I ended up leaving half way through the service.
    We went to a fairly large evangelical church years ago where they had women's retreats that cost almost $200 for the weekend! There was no way a low-income woman could afford to go (including me). I felt too ashamed to tell them that I couldn't afford to go. Pretty much everything they did involved money for something.
    Another church we went to had a Valentines banquet that cost around $50 for a couple! I think that is just insane! When you met people at those churches they always want to know what you do for a living and what college you graduated from etc. I always ended up feeling sort of inferior.
    We go to a very tiny messianic congregation now and it's a lot better. They give money to help people in the community and don't care whether you're well off or not. The evangelical world is sort of a mess right now I think. It seems like many people are very disillusioned with it. Three of my kids don't go to church anymore (one gen X and two millennials) I don't know what will need to happen to change things.

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    1. The newer generation is more apt to dismiss religion due to their soul evolution. The covenant described in Jeremiah 31:33-34 is taking shape and God is slowly doing away with organized religion and writing his law in the hearts of the younger generations. It, however, is a slow process and there are a lot of mean people out there right now who are getting more attention. Remember, Jesus was not exactly accepted by the religious leaders of our day. In fact, most of the prophets I understand were not part of the religious establishment in their time either.

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    2. Yes I've seen the churches too where everything cost money, even the women in my church in my old rural town would go on a weekend renting hotel rooms, traveling and shopping and I never could afford it. It hurt too. I know the church here never had any pot luck dinners, or anything like that, they had a dinner during the winter when they wanted 24 dollars a person, we never could afford that. Yes we were made to feel inferior. They always asked my husband where he worked and because he did not have a normal job, there was a lot of looks down noses. I am glad you found some place that helps with and does not judge on poverty. I think the evangelical world is a mess too. It's going to be interesting because the majority of Gen X is not going to church and the millennials want nothing to do with it. I am in my late 40s and noticed almost everyone in churches I visited who was an adult and living on their own was 12-20 years older.

      Agree other anon, that organized religion could be doing away with. "Come out of her" Revelation 17

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  8. My fathers sister went to a local church all her life and her husbands family will no longer speak to them because she had a spare bedroom and was notorious for moving the latest terminally ill person from her husbands family in and getting them to leave everything to them in exchange for taking care of them. It sounds good in theory but in practice they were like vultures fighting over road kill.

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    1. Those can be some of the scariest sociopaths, the ones who claim to love and care and then clean out the bank accounts. Hey my mother made a giant show of moving my grandmother into her house when she got very ill and then my Aunt Scapegoat after that one surgery. They play martyrs but always have an agenda.

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  9. I used to be surprised when people who were vocal about being Christian turned out to be liars, thieves, criminals, rapists etc. but now, sad to say, I'm more surprised when they turn out to be the opposite.
    I was just reading about Mother Teresa - the person whose name is synonymous with self sacrificing kindly saint - and apparently a lot of people who worked with her said she hoarded vast sums of money, flew around in private jets, hobnobbed with world leaders while people in her care suffered from lack of medical care and poor treatment. I read somewhere else that she glorified suffering and poverty and that her worldview was "medieval." Not that most people will believe it since everyone loves the idea of a saintly saint. Kind of like how everyone loves the idea of the saintly mother, but about a millionfold more.

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    1. I tend to think if someone is famous and "Christian" the soul got sold long ago. I don't think the real deals get advanced in society, 'know that the world will hate you"...warned of in scripture. I have studied Mother Teresa and wow, biggest scams going. Some people can get outraged because she has such a false positive veneer. All I know is when I saw pictures of beggars having their heads shaved, forced to sleep on mats instead of beds making them more helpless, and Mother Teresa was taking in multimillions enough to get them modern medical care which they did not get, my mind changed. Hey a lot of narc mothers look "saintly"....Christopher Hitchens wrote a book warning about Mother Tereas. She called pain and suffering "kisses from jesus which is pretty sick.

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  10. I could have written the blog about the Scapegoat being ostracized. Sounds like me exactly, and also one of my sisters. I feel that from a spiritual perspective, you are blessed. It's true that the darkness hates the light, and you must have a great degree of light to have been targeted in this way. I suggest you look into the Catholic Church! You will find many answers -- and peace -- there. God bless.

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    1. Anon I know you mean well, but I am an ex-Catholic and was taught by nuns.

      http://fivehundredpoundpeeps.blogspot.in/2014/01/i-survived-catholic-school-and-my.html

      I don't believe in Catholic church teachings and believe they teach "another gospel" per the below commenter.

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  11. To disagree with the above anonymous post I will say do not look to the Catholic Church. They are an institution of men. Look to God, read scripture (from all the prophets), and establish a direction relationship with him. We don't need a third party as part of our faith, this is one of the biggest scams of the church age.

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