I'm not going to link to a certain other blog, but when people ask things like "Can a psychopath be "good"? That is defending psychopaths in my book.
I mean why even write something like that? I found it disturbing. What next an article on the Virtues of Ted Bundy?
Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! Isaiah 5:20
ReplyDeleteHi Peep. I just wrote another (of many) letters to the local newspaper to try and spread awareness of these monsters (they have yet to publish one on narcissism because the editor says they are "too lengthy") but anyway, your topic above coincides perfectly with what I was just thinking about. How those who are into the "dark arts" (I call it Luciferianism) that control our society like to give us the truth in reverse (as though it's bad and the lie is good). For example the "food pyramid". Just the fact that it's a "pyramid" speaks volumes but I'm getting off topic. The food pyramid has everything backwards. The foods that we need most of we are told to eat sparingly and the foods that are not as healthy we are told to eat a lot. In the same line of thinking you know how these mainstream psychiatrists and psychologists such as Hare and Stout etc. claim that 1 to 3 percent of society has psychopathy/narcissism I think Stout may purport a little more like around 20%. continued.................
Hi FreeSpirit, I am glad you are trying to write to your local newspaper. Sorry they are claiming length issues. That is a good verse and it came to mind seeing that. The trend now is to excuse evil as much as possible and call evil good and vice versa. I agree about the food pyramid. They learned the low fat diets just helped to fatten everyone up too. I think those percentages are very low.
DeleteBut it is my experience that "real" people with compassion and empathy are VERY few and far between. And for every one Queen or King psychonarc you encounter, there are at least a dozen or more flying monkeys, minions and foot soldiers and for those dozen there are at least another dozen or more "apaths" who could care less about YOU and YOUR problems as long as it doesn't affect them and their immediate family. I'm describing my silent extended relatives on my dad's (non narc) side of the family and how they gave me nothing but silence when I reached out to them and let them know the abuse my MN "mother" put me and my dad through and that she was murdering him. He died 5 months later and they still ignored me. No card nothing. They went to the funeral and put on their little act of empathy, I sat at home and cried my eyes out and didn't eat a bite of food for 4 days straight. I was completely heartbroken even though the Witch stole my dad from me while I was still a young girl but I always hoped to someday get to have some kind of relationship with him. But once again, I've rambled off topic. My original thoughts above let me to believe that the reverse of what "they" say is the truth. That 1 to 3 percent of the population is HUMAN and the rest are either full blown psychonarc or mid level and lower level narcs, minions and apaths. Remember Jesus saying that the last days would be just like the days of Noah? Well, 8 (EIGHT) people were spared during that time. So that tells me that there are most likely very few "real" people like us out there these days. They are scattered amongst the predators. Really scary thought.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you about the "REAL" people. Compassion and empathy are in short supply. I'm not saying I am perfect at both but the growing coldness in the general populace is growing. The mask-wearing rules now. Meeting real people who are authentic, yes is more the exception than the rule now. The Queen and King narcs find plenty of narc-worshipping servants, you got that right. Yes I know what you mean by the silent ones. Like the cousins of my Uncle Lost Boy who say absolutely nothing. Sorry you had silent relatives turn their backs on you when you were trying to help your father. Sickening they'd show up to the funeral when they weren't there while he was alive. I hate those kind of displays. They ignore someone and even treat them like dirt and them put on a show of being "caring". Sorry for your lost relationship with your father. I could go with you on the 1-3%. How many out there even think for themselves. Maybe that is the number who escape the brainwashing and macro-mindcontrol. I agree we are in the days of Noah and thanks for reminding me how there was only 8. Someone mentioned this to me recently but the whole ZOMBIE meme I think is attractive to the pods for a reason. Maybe they see themselves?
DeleteI seriously look for people who are still "alive" inside. They have a spark to them. They aren't one of the zombies. The narcs have many flying monkeys and foot soldiers trying to dampen the spark within of many too. Yes that is a scary thought...
I think I know who you must be talking about. I guess she will watch this show and feel sorrow for the killers
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Yes why is she so busy trying to find the good in psychopaths? They don't care about "good". One thing about serial killers, I heard many of them get fan bases who write them in prison. I knew OF this friend of an online friend who wrote Charles Manson and clung to the letters. Rather sickening. The seduction of evil for darkened hearts?
DeleteOf course she wonders why she gets such negative feed back from things like that. She's a .50 caliber martyr. I ain't stepping into this more that I already have. And no more than last time. She is disordered by her own admission and she has done nothing to change my mind.
ReplyDeleteI agree. I am kind of scared for the folks reading there getting messages like "look for the good in the psychopaths". There is spiritual elements to this warning of narcs business and well that is definitely putting your foot on the dark side.
DeleteQ, apparently she gets negative feedback because she is SO popular and others are envious. Look at who she admires - SV and "Opionated Man". OP's sole purpose as a blogger is to offend everyone. At least he admits it.... So the people she identifies with are a self-proclaimed narcissist and some dude who wants to offend everyone. Nuff said.
DeleteAnyhow I need to stay away from there. I hadn't read there in some time and need to keep it that way.
ReplyDeleteI was watching TV and thought of a question that needs answering from the psychopath apologists. How many corpses did these people leave behind and what if one of them was you or someone you love?
ReplyDeleteShe's graduated from narcissist apologist now to psychopath apologist. I suppose speaking of malignant narcs it is really one and the same. I agree about asking how many corpses did these people leave behind? Someone looking for GOOD from psychopaths has a serious serious problem. Ted Bundy was a good law student, Hitler loved his dog. So what? Give me a break. They are claiming I am "too black and white". I call it not having one's brain melted into the "can't tell the difference between good and evil" mushy middle.
DeleteI think this blogger is insecure or could be a narc who is trying to confuse people about covert narcissism. That person might be a psychopath who is trying to find out if somebody who will love him or her if they know of their psychopathy. It is a weird question to ask online and it is a big red flag to me. I hope you are staying away from that strange person, Peep.
ReplyDeleteI think they definitely want to sow confusion about narcissism. I mean why even ask such a question. They must identify with the psychopaths to be looking for GOOD in them. So a psychopath paid for his dinner at a restaurant and maybe got some paperwork done at the office. So what? Is that the good she meant? I don't think so. She wants people to see GOOD in them. What part does she not get that these people deceive many and HURT them?
DeleteIt seems your "book" ("defending psychopaths in my book") is rather rigid - asking if psychopaths can be good is just that, a question. How you leaped from that to assuming that the person posing this question is supporting psychopaths doesn't make sense, it appears to be a projection from you. In any case, I read that blog too, and the majority of the writing on it is critical of narcissists and about how to defend oneself from them. So, it appears you may be missing the big picture.
ReplyDeleteWho asks if psychopaths can be good? I mean do you even know the definition of psychopath? They have no consciences. Do you know what a conscience is? All I know is the blogger graduated from narcissistic support to psychopath support and defense. Odd how she identifies with them to even ask a question like that instead of the victims. Tell me what I am missing? Actually when people are INCONSISTENT like that, saying on one hand they are writing warning of narcs and psychopaths and then asking if they are good the next day, that's a problem.
DeleteYes, I do even know the definition of psychopath :-) I've read Robert Hare, Harvey Cleckley, and other writers on psychopathy. And I've unfortunately met one in real life, so I know very well what they are like. But this writer is certainly not the first person to wonder if there might a shred of goodness, a chance of redemption, in someone whose soul seems rotten to the core.
DeletePlus one can wonder about this possibility without identifying with or supporting the bad guy - it seems like you didn't consider that possibility.
But my point, which you didn't address, is that her asking if there can be any goodness in psychopaths doesn't automatically mean she sympathizes with them or defends them. That is a projection from your mind onto what she said, her statement being simply a question. Perhaps you have a particular preconception about what she may think, which is coloring the way you see her writing.
And, there is much in her writing that sympathizes with victims of these people. She is certainly on the side of those people!
My problem with her is she has a foot in each camp, you can't be an advocate for ACONS and then defend abusers on the other hand.
DeleteHer constant theme of seeking "goodness" in malignant narcissists and psychopaths, is definitely putting her in the position of an enabler to them and shows some level of identification with them. In fact I wonder why she is so focused on this. Her focus on the "grey" in my opinion is an attempt to muddy the waters when it comes to the discussion of malignant narcissists, psychopaths and others especially as it is accompanied by false accusations and false diagnoses. She seems to want people to think "Oh they are not so evil". As if someone who has no conscience feels any guilt or even true love. I believe there are people who desire to steer the conversation about narcissism in very dark directions.
Let's strip it down, she wants people to sympathize with narcissists and sociopaths same as her favorite narc. writer. Ask yourself WHY she wants to find goodness in psychopaths. It's crazy. That is the kind of Stockholm crap that has gotten many endangered from them. Trying to defend psychopaths and then claiming that she sympathizes with their victims is absolute nonsense. It doesn't work.
Anyhow I will be stay away from her blog. I noticed attacks on my character after I was long gone and not visiting as I went into some articles of the last month. I would caution you to be careful there, as she seeks to muddy many a water and offers confusion. When people can't even figure out the fact that a psychopath lacks a conscience and want to Pied Piper people into a fantasy land that they are "partially good" there is a problem there.
It's easier to muse about academics when the tragedy happens to someone else. Unfortunately every item you see on the news ripples out through us all. I hope all of you keep the luxury of staying detached from the reality of a psychopath in your family .
ReplyDeleteI agree. To be frank, the snipes taken against those who have been abused more or who have dealt with full psychopaths reveal something about certain characters. Their absolute detachement says something.
DeleteIt would not surprise me if there are psycos out there who have done "super-hero" stuff, like saved twenty other guys when the bridge gave way. Yes psycos can do good things, at risk to themselves. But overall, they don't give a rip about the lives of others. Oh, and by the way, does not the Bible tell us about the seven demons worse than the one... i guess demons are like psycos, and even they do different degrees of evil. Some just want to hang out and party, others want to torture entire nations.
ReplyDeleteEven Hitler got the trains to run on time and made good cars and offered holidays for the "Volk". Some have done "good things" by default, as the pathway to screw people over and offer destruction and death. Its as if a certain blogger is telling us, never mind the millions that died, look for the good! {smiley face} "you mean haters, black and white thinkers and Debbie Downers!" Basically any "good" done would just be a means to an end. Yes demons are like psychos with different degrees of evil but psychopaths in total are defined as having no conscience, they don't care about good. They love evil.
DeleteI don't want to know and care even less, if a psychopath has a shred of goodness in them. And in my humble opinion, anyone who wonders about the possibility has absolutely no empathy for those who have suffered at the hands of these monsters. Colleen kellie x
ReplyDeleteI don't care either about their little shred of goodness either. That blog has little empathy anyhow, and it worsens by the day. She doesn't even realize when she trashes people with severe disabilities or health problems or ACONs who have suffered the worse of abuses how she looks. As I have said she identifies far more with the abusers. To be frank looking at some of the things she has admitted doing on that blog, it makes sense. Her lack of empathy for ACONs is beyond glaring.
DeletePerhaps the demons who want to party are flying monkeys for the hitler types. Ass I know is, both kinds are on their way to lava-lake.
ReplyDeleteYes the party demons are basically the underlings for the stronger despots. I agree both are on the path to the lake of fire. Most of the "do not judge" Grey-mush lovers of course will tell us no hell exists and neither does "good and evil". That's for those judgmental "black and white" thinkers. Someone who looks for good in psychopaths does not care about the difference between good and evil.
DeleteCovert abusers are forced to lots of good, for the delight of crushing the souls of the one or more targets that they slander, attack , sabetoge mercilessly. Your writings ,peep, give give lots of examples of your parents extending kindnesses and support to others in your family. That's why it's so hard to fight a well thought out scapegoating plan by intelligent , disciplined narcs/psychos. They use very well targeted good deeds to turn the minds and hearts of people they want to then use as weapons in thier arsenal. No one would argue these good acts are sincere , but outsiders have no way to know that, especially at a glance, with no personal history to learn from.
ReplyDeleteCovert abusers all do "good deeds". Even my parents "helped" me a few times, but it came at a price. I saw others getting kindness and support. Someone who looks for good in psychopaths misses the big picture that most psychopaths, Mal narcs, sociopaths are wearing their sheep skin...Wolves in sheep's clothing. of course there will be some good surface actions. Good deeds are often part of the set up. In fact what does she think love-bombing is all about?
DeleteI think somewhere when they talk trash about splitting and how we paint the bad along with not so bad that psychopaths come with warning labels. Almost like cigarettes. Like I will only smoke the ones that make your fingernails turn yellow and avoid the ones that cause cancer. But with smokes and psychos you take what you get. And in my life it was universally horrific,
ReplyDeleteShe has defined splitting falsely. Splitting is telling someone one thing and changing the story elsewhere. Of course in their land of the "grey" even saying something is "bad" would be counteracted with some lecture meant to confuse us. They strain gnats, always looking to defend the wicked. They don't care about the horrors we went through, we are the "bad" ones for saying anything while they split hairs looking for the good in abusers.
DeleteShe's a sycophant who is trying to ride the coattails of "Dr" Sam V. She has devoted numerous posts to him, including one entitled "The sex symbol of Narcissism" in which she refers to him as "the rock star of narcissism." Hahaha! I can't take her seriously. She's a train wreck. Each of her posts contradicts the last. She even wrote a post about how she's afraid of becoming famous! Good god she's delusional! She has zero integrity. Hypocrite doesn't even begin to describe her. At this point she's nothing more than a groupie/wannabe. It's only a matter of time until she crashes and burns... Or starts a blog called "Cluster B World." Her and SV and that twit from Sociopath World can have a circle jerk. Again, she only "wishes" she could attain that level of notoriety. Keep on groping to stay relevant, Otter. Write 3 posts about Peep's latest post. Your desperation is amusing.
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DeleteSee other responses too below Lisette. I know she is banging the Peep sucks and is a "victim" gong, hoping to go the distance with it. She even continued after I was long gone. I will ignore her now and refuse to go back even if warned with good intentions. Her blog is going to definitely become a Cluster B Haven. She will shout at real ACONs and tell them they are "bad victims" like she has tried to do with me. I think that's already happened considering some of the commenters. At least a few aren't sockpuppets I suppose.
I agree. Sam V is where the defense of psychopaths nonsense is coming from. How does it feel to be one of dupes of one of the biggest would be "change agents" out there? That is pretty obvious. I can't take her serious either.
ReplyDeleteI hope she leaves me alone. When I was gone, she still was writing posts about me, it was crazy, putting down those who had gone through severe narcissistic abuse. I shouldn't have gone back to look. A friend told me about some posts.
She doesn't get it. She presents two contradictory ideas at once, you can't claim to be for victims, and then in next sentence go hunting for the sweetness and light in psychopaths. Yes that sums up zero integrity. Yes multiple paragraphs for 5 lines.
When someone seems to share no guilt and has endless GUILE, there is a problem. She passes it off as her freethinking and wheeling-and sentence off the top of my head ways. I call it betrayal of ACONs and part of the rhetoric that fits the society that tells us that power must be worshipped and psychopaths must be defended.
Her smear campaigns against me just show what kind of person she is. She will have other empathy deficient Cluster Bs rally around her.
ReplyDeleteWhat she and her minions have written about you is truly despicable. That's why I have no problem calling her out. Her callousness toward victims of MN abuse is truly astounding. I don't believe she is a ACON. Nor do I believe she is a victim of a MN/Psychopath. No true victim would ever waste their time looking for the good in them. True victims know these creature(s) are irredeemable. She's straddling both camps because that means a larger audience, more traffic, higher numbers, more controversy, more attention yet ZERO credibility. At least SV admits what he is. "Cluster B Haven" sounds about right. Her blog is already her haven of delusion and lies. Let her to it. Eventually the non-disordered will figure her out.
DeleteThank you Lisette, I agree. She even had one minion trash me for having health problems. The one who sounds like they are Cluster B too since they are pissed off at dying people in hospice for not being shiny and "happy" enough too. I do not believe she is an ACON. She also is NOT an Aspie. Even the manipulations and collusions she shares on her blog would be impossible for an Aspie. Exhibit A would be the article where she discusses tormenting a therapsist. I do not believe she is a victim of a MN or psychopath either because the last thing a true victim would do would be looking for the good in them. She identifies with them. Yes I agree about straddling both camps. Yes it's time to leave her to it. Nothing else you can do with someone like that. Our warnings and making stands against her defenses of the narcissists and psychopaths will just go round about, because someone like that will never wake up nor do they want to.
DeleteShe trashes you and you remain cool and composed. She gets some of it thrown back at her and cries nonstop about being bullied and driven to suicide. I wish it were that easy to drive a disordered freak to suicide.
DeleteI don't want anyone doing themselves in, but yeah I wondered about that, if you are going to write about being bullied and discuss the horrible emotions it brings up, why do it to others? It reminds me of when my sister shouted at me for being a bully when I stood up for myself. Is that always the M.O. to call someone a bully in return? I sadly think so. I am going to stay far away. Friends please don't even send me what she has written me with good intentions to warn me. I'm staying far far away. I hope she leaves me alone and moves on to other pastures too, rather then continued trashing.
Deletecorrection written "about" me.....
DeleteThe very essence of evil is to appear good, to appear as near perfect as possible while hiding the potent, deadly poison behind the facade. Real evil can appear so good as to fool almost all.. maybe even all sometimes but not some all the time. In normal human spheres, like a family, it is that mixture of good & evil that traps the victims into trauma bonding that lasts sometimes the whole lifetime. BUT, just because there is the presence of some good does not equate with goodness. It is not goodness in the abuser. It is a human who has chosen to be & do evil as their life... My perspective, of course.
ReplyDeleteI agree they are wolves in sheep's clothing. The wolves do not want anyone to get real or to rip off the veil, so people see what is going on. The whole thing is to fool people. It is well known in domestic abuse counseling even the worse abuser has the moments of bringing flowers, and candy to the woman he beat to a pulp just two weeks prior. Narcissists and psychopaths do the same thing in the family system. NM buys the scapegoat an occasional gift or helps them out of a jam while trashing them behine the scenes. Those who think these "actions of goodness" excuse psychopaths have their head screwed on wrong. Even the worse wolf has to be appear nice at times to lay down their guard. This is exactly how the trauma programming works, where the abuser is nice and people say "Look how good so and so is treating you". It tells the victim they are supposed to set aside even their own memories, feelings and instinct to protect themselves. This is why I found her recent post on psychopaths, totally irresponsible.
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