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When I wrote about Tiffany being the family scapegoat, it was a controversial article. I did write about how David Sedaris made an admission about his sister, that they failed to defend her. I was glad to see this bit of insight.
He at least admitted their failure to act to stand against their mother's abuse and rejection of Tiffany.
In his book Calypso, which I am reading now for a library book club, in an essay titled "A House Divided", David talks more about Tiffany, and says the family did not know about her mental illnesses and could have had more understanding for her if they had known. I understand why Tiffany did not disclose.
One thing realized in ACON studies is that for scapegoats, the family can be a very different place of being. I had to face facts even myself, that my cousins, brother and sister had positive memories of my narcissists and family life. They were treated far better and had times of connection and happiness. It was hard for me to hear my cousins lovingly use my mother's name, but then they did not have the same person to deal with. They had love and respect even if faked from her after all. Some people via different challenges end up in a far worse position in a family. Tiffany had her struggles with mental illness and others that put her more at risk of being placed in the scapegoating position.
David Sedaris in his writings speaks of easier conversations with his mother, he definitely was close to her. His father is more distant but is overall respectful and includes David. All children in narcissistic families suffer to a degree but Tiffany definitely did not have the same experiences as her siblings being the scapegoat.
There is another admission in this essay in this most recent book. Could David have seen online what others had to say about his family and the realities of narcissism and how it was obvious that his sister was scapegoated? It is rare for family members within a narcissistic system to wake up, but at times it is possible for the few who are capable of any growth and are not too far along or on the narcissistic spectrum themselves While this often comes too late and decades later, they may question the system and what was done to their sibling who was the scapegoat. While David admits some faults of his parents, he may need to re-examine the depths of what they did to his sister.
Maybe he has come into more understanding now about what has happened to his sister. Maybe he has realized that the family which was a crucible of connection, closeness and happy memories along with some troubled ones for him was anything but for his sister. This statement does make clear, that he understands, that the treatment by the Sedaris family had something to do with her suicide.
This comment in his essay, makes it seem so.
In this essay, they talk about how Tiffany killed herself, and the method she used. She took pills and used a plastic bag to asphyxiate herself.
"Did Lisa by any chance tell you about Tiffany, I asked.
"The plastic bag, you mean?" Gretchen nodded. "She told me on the phone last week. I try not to think of it but it's pretty much all I can think about. Our own sister ending up that way."
I walked to the window and looked at the sky, which had now gone from bruise-colored to black. "Someone told me," I said, "that in Japan, if you commit suicide by throwing yourself in front of a train, your family gets fined the equivalent of eighty thousand dollars for all the inconvenience you caused."
From behind me, I could hear Gretchen slicing more apples.
"Of course," I continued, "if your family was the whole reason you were killing yourself, I supposed it would be just an added incentive."
I hope his sisters have come into more insight too but sadly it is too late for Tiffany. Lives are damaged and ended by scapegoating. That's the tragedy.
This article kind of connects to my last article questioning the dominance of the nuclear family. Nuclear families in American culture especially are split between winners and losers where internal cooperation is not developed but competition at all costs even to the point that some family members are crushed. One person who is the scapegoat is often deemed the family loser and reject. One could argue this created Tiffany's mental illness instead of her mental illness being the reason the family rejected her. That's one thing to think about. How many are made mentally ill from the abuse? Tiffany showed many signs of CPTSD. Scapegoating is soul murder at the crux of it, and some don't win the battle for their physical lives.
Later in the book, while one sees some flashes of insight in David, things get complex, there is reference to troubled consciences, but sadly, the family system reverts to the same message about the scapegoat. How many scapegoats are written off, as "you know how they can be". A would be narcissistic family system can break down a scapegoat, and some do become mentally ill. My conjecture is that many scapegoats are made that way from the process of scapegoating.
Sadly the resultant emotions and problems is just added on to the list for the rejection that got the whole ball rolling. This reminds me on a lesser level when one of my cousins told me once, "your emotions bother people in the family". What is ironic in my situation after I became a Christian years before I later deconverted, I was grey rocking myself to death, being nice, kind, pleasant, "not a bother" and making presents for the family and being quiet and meek on visits, hoping for love and acceptance that would never come. I buffed all the edges of my personality. I hid negative emotions. That didn't work.
What is sad, when a scapegoat gets the resultant PTSD effects, anxiety disorders, inability to function in the world like Tiffany if the mental abuse becomes severe, that can be used as more of a reason for rejection from the family. You don't fit, you aren't "pleasant" and "engaging" enough. My depression when I was younger while I never had to make the psych ward circuit, putting myself in counseling by age 18, was reason enough for my own family to justify the treatment they gave me. "She's not that easy to be around!". "She has a bad personality". Some of that came back to me. Sadly while Tiffany's mental disorders may have been far more severe, one can see that happened to her too in the family system.
One sister Amy sees a psychic who claims to contact Tiffany and her mother and claims that they are getting along. If this really had happened it seemed more insight would have been passed on from the spirit world then
"She and Mom are finally getting along," Amy continued. "She mainly wanted to let you know that she has no hard feelings. The psychic said Tiffany's been trying to tell you this herself and asked if you've had a lot of problems with your phone lately."
Amy to me shows some conscience here, in that she wants hope from the psychic, that Tiffany would want to forgive them all one day but sadly in my belief, none of these messages were real. Amy wants Tiffany to have "no hard feelings" towards the mother that scapegoated her. Why isn't the mother in this afterlife scenario apologizing? Amy admits the trouble with Mom to the psychic and easy answers are given that now in the afterlife, that two personalities that didn't get along now do. It is interesting to me, that Tiffany's "hard feelings" are the focus here, instead of atonement on the behalf of the mother.
David then talks more about Tiffany's mental health problems in the same chapter called "Spirit World" about that day he had the door shut on her, during a show. David admits he never saw or spoke to her again. He mentions her mental health problems referring to a suicide attempt and hospitalization, a rape and an eviction and then says
"She was, I told myself, someone else's problem. I couldn't deal with her anymore.
Well, the rest of the family said, it was Tiffany. Don't be too hard on yourself. We all know how she can be.
Perhaps like the psychic, they were just telling me what I needed to hear to ease my conscience and make me feel that underneath it all I'm no different from anyone else. They've always done that for me, my family. It's what keeps me coming back"
David's conscience is bothered, and that's a good sign, but sadly narcissistic families, will justify the treatment of the scapegoat forever. The family system can't admit what was done to the scapegoat. Yes mental illness can be troubling. People who face difficulties are not easy to deal with. It's hard to explain the depths of pain for a scapegoat, who is told in various ways "you are not right" or "we know how you can be". They are blamed sadly for what the family in many cases made them become. For David, his family is a place of solace, and easing of conscience but you see, would be narcissistic families are not good influences on consciences.
One comment by [Ky Ya Ya] on the video on the Vice Interview below sums things up:
"The family narrative is pervasive & powerful. Even when reality intrudes, the narrative holds strong. It's a habit of thought, operationalised in family roles that stigmatise & problematise the "scapegoat". This narrative is modelled, reinforced & rewarded by toxic parents. You get good at what you practice, this includes negative thinking, toxic family narratives, victim-blaming, responsibility avoidance & selfishness. Golden child siblings are literally blind to the abuse, even though they SEE it. They are blind because they are conditioned to think the scapegoat IS the problem, they are also blind to the abuse of the scapegoat, because they don't see it as abuse. My golden child sister has no clue our NM is abusive & manipulative, she thinks she's a "good" person. My GC sister has no clue regarding her own abusive behaviour!! They operate in a moral fog where their evil/wrongdoing is justified, redescribed, minimised & denied."
Reading Between the Lines About David Sedaris' Family
Scapegoating Families: David Sedaris' Vice Interview (Pt. 1 of 5)
The Narc sicko toxic nightmare family wants the sensitive person to commit suicide. They want to drive away the ones who speaks up, doesn't accept the abuse and could make them, the family, look bad.
ReplyDeleteIf narcs can't get the target to kill themselves, they want them far away.
I'm speaking from experience.
I wonder how happy or mentally healthy my siblings, their spouses and children are. Of course, narcs never have any problems, it's always someone else that's crazy.
I am so sorry you bent yourself into a pretzel attempting to eek out a tiny bit of love. I did the very same thing and it nearly got me killed in the end. I thought it was me. It wasn't. These people can't love, they have serious personality disorders.
Suicide doesn't solve anything. The narcs are gloating.
Living well is the best revenge.
I am having a very difficult time right now. My family is no help, never had been. Some people get all kinds of assistance from their families, not mine. It's the opposite. A Toxic Wasteland. Suicide is not an option for me at all.
Yes sadly many have their lives endangered psychologically from all the abuse. Some are driven away. Those of us who had to go no contact, while we are blamed for such a choice, it takes two sides to tango and they ostracized most of us first before we walked or left to save and retain what lives we could. Narcs hide all problems anyway and would not admit any problems. Yeah too many of try to eke out a tiny bit of love. I can see Tiffany "trying" too even by being at that theatre door. We are all better off just getting away, they can't love. It's a waste of time. One thing I learned too even if someone has love to give, it's wasted on narcs. Yes with suicide, I hope everyone facing those problems and suicidal ideations etc, finds counselors and helps and gets away and can stay away from those bringing that up. It's true suicide doesn't solve anything. Live well and find the best life you can. This can be done without them. I still write about narcs here but outside the medical BS, my life got a lot better. Sorry you are having a difficult time now, yeah narc families won't help only kick when you are down. I hope things get better for you and you can find other options for needed assistance.
DeleteHoly shit well you just ruined Sedaris for me, thanks. I have to go to the post office and will have to come back and read all of this at length ...
ReplyDeleteI can try to ruin being overweight for you. I'm not a large person but I got fairly overweight; a little butterball. After trying the DASH diet and the "drink yourself nearly to death" diet (there's a point in alcoholism where you stop eating, and you just don't care) I finally tried the "keto" diet with the goal of losing 1-2 lbs a week, 2 at most, and over the stretch of 8 months, lost 40 lbs.
At the time I spent a couple of days and nights at my boss's house a week, and they're all obese there. At my fattest they called me "tiny" and to them, the concept of losing a lb a week was laughable. Why even think about such small increments?
But it worked and they saw me get smaller and I gave their daughter some of my old, too-big clothes like a bunch of black T-shirts, and now I guess they have me pegged at "really tiny".
But here's the thing. When I saw the diet was working, down maybe 25 or 30 lbs, I realized I had this fear of being small. Small in a world of big people. It was really scary and I had to face it and man up and realize that OK, I'll be small, but I'll be a lot healthier and happier and besides, isn't all the work around here done by little bitty Mexican and Asian guys? And they get along fine.
Even with the food industry pumping out high-fructose corn syrup like there's no tomorrow and so on, the food industry is still free-market enough that if people demand healthier things they'll get 'em.
So I have a theory that like the cars we drive, there's a psychological push to be bigger. And by far the easiest way to get bigger is to get fat. Studies show even Roman gladiators took this approach - fat as body armor.
I've studied a fuckton about this subject and it took me a while to swallow this but indeed, it is possible to be fat and fit, and there are quite a number of quite large people who are not killing their livers, diabetic, etc., while there are fairly skinny ones who are. So I can't look at an overweight person and think, "Oh, you're driving health costs up for the rest of us" yadda yadda. But I can say, "If you really *are* unhappy being so large, there's a way to lose a bit, and it's not done the way any authority will tell you".
Because none of them will tell you to cut down carbs and sugar, and that exercise is great but once you're over 40 or so, exercise and body fat are almost completely decoupled.
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DeleteYeah sometimes questioning things is hard.
DeleteAt this weight don't you think I've gotten all the diet advice? I don't care anymore.
Let me be judged but I am not interested in any more diets. The diet dream for me is deader then a door nail. I bent over a stove even today feeling like shit, because I know if I tried to buy food from restaurant already made for both us for a little bit of money, my blood sugar would be 20 points higher in the morning, so I cooked with the peppers, bean sprouts and boneless skinless chicken thights.
I can't eat sugar now or the thrush will kill me, this means I can't even risk a piece of pie, or chocolate or anything. It's not magically stripping weight off like what happens to thin people.
I can't do Keto, kidneys would give me a middle finger and produce 30 stones. I can't even eat beef AT ALL, anymore. This means even LEAN roast beef like what you would buy at a deli for a sandwich.
I am glad you were able to lose, but for the sake of my sanity, I decided I would go to the gym as much as I could, between all the chronic fatigue and other problems, and try to eat the best food I could afford [trips to the veggie stand etc. I am into my 50s and I've been fat forever, the diet dreams are completely and utterly dead to me. You know how I don't believe in Christianity anymore? Well I don't believe in diets either. Add those to the list. I've never lost weight on a diet. I don't know if I agree with the exercise doesn't work people, that sounds like crap, like isn't that going against their claim the more you move the more you burn off? I have given up the weight loss dream, it's like heaven, I guess it's nice to imagine being there, but it's not happening in this body and I cannot bear the levels of severe hunger or headaches and physical problems I would have from Keto.
I don't know if it will help...but there are different types of low carb diets. You can eat say 150 carbs a day, and still lose weight. So a diet like that would let you eat any kind of food you want...Keto is a more extreme form of low carb. You don't have to be that low carb to lose weight.
DeleteI have read on your blog about how much Lipedema made you suffer...I hope that a doctor dietician can help you find answers soon.
I don't mind cutting some carbs down, I already do that to an extent. Lipedema needs a cure but the focus on diets that don't work is ruining our lives. If this wasn't a predominantly female disease we would get far more then exercise and lose weight.
DeleteSorry for replying back late. I meant to write before, that I personally do intermittent fasting. It's even recommended by famous TV doctors, like Dr.Oz. Dr.Oz does 12:12 fasting (he eats from 8am-8pm), and he talks about how studies have shown how people who fast, can eat the same number of calories and still lose weight. Because fasting allows your body to rest from eating, so you burn more stored fat and calories.
DeleteI follow the 8 hour diet myself, and you don't have to count calories on that either. I eat from 10am-6pm seven days a week. It's made me lose the average 1-2lbs per week. And I never count anything. Lots of celebs actually use this too, because they don't have time to follow strict diets or count calories.
And the math checks out. Like if Dr.Oz's 12:12 fasting saves him just 250 calories per day, he would lose 26lbs in a year...so maybe this is something you might be interested in. Like I said, I know your Lipedema makes things very extremely difficult. But you seem like you need help, so this is the best information that I know. Good luck to you.
but the diabetes unless I make dinner too late to exhaustion demands I eat absolutely NOTHING after dinner already. I figure at this point let the chips fall where they may, I will drive myself mad. Yeah the Lipedema makes it hard. I get weighed in a week, if I have gained, over 540, I will ask to be hospitalized but the MLD says I look like I lost some [she saw me a year ago and a liter came off one leg, so maybe not. I think I am smaller on top this year. Not sure if it will show up in any numbers or not.I've been sick, missed the gym, that was weird, but I am living a strange collapse and do things cycle with the body, colds really throw me off.
DeleteI do believe in having some spans of time with no food in a day, make sure there's intervals, I try to push things out every now and then though hunger can still be a major problem.
DeleteFood rules for me are nothing after dinner....[this may be broken 2 or so times a month, if the hunger pains full growling are unbearable.
I do have to cut more of allowed afternoon snack.
Sometimes eating too late due to exhaustion, ie, go out and do something, collapse in bed from chronic fatigue, having to cook all the time is driving me nuts to have decent food and I make some easy stuff like scrambled eggs and vegetables but there's times dinner comes too late as the clock seems to spin fast.
Wonder if I should skip breakfast or hold out in morning longer but then fear weight gains from the too few meals in a day, which the one meal a day BS in Chicago destroyed my weight even more.
I went to veggie stand today to buy peppers to make stuffed peppers with, and some brussel sprouts, will be roasted in oven. Will go back to gym mid week, when cough settles down. I was doing rope pulls even.
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ReplyDeletecheckbox and now each time a comment is added I get three e-mails with the same comment.
Is there any way you can remove people from that service?
Thank you!
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