One of the many Covid disciples on my Facebook posted this. I almost wrote a response and thought let it go, they are indoctrinated, you are wasting your time. My husband advised me to lay low for safety's sake. Even my limited history minor, tells me that people who think like this helped the worse atrocities happen.
So I decided to write about it here instead. What kind of people trust the "experts"? There is class divide between the obedient affluent types and lower income people being more questioning about what is going on. For all the virtue signaling with BLM, many African Americans don't trust the government and their experiments and neo-liberals don't care to listen to their warnings.
One guy on a message board pointed out to me, that George Orwell wrote in 1984, it was "the proles" who were the last hope in ending tyranny. The working class and lower via our own experiences, know the system does not care about us and does not have our best interests at heart. We have already been victims of it. Do you think the Covid v, is the first time anyone has wanted to experiment on me? This one quack wanted to put me on speed and a drug that was a black box drug later taken off the market, I refused.
So what kind of person "trusts" the experts? Someone with privilege who never has dealt with a crooked auto mechanic, going without or having a doctor "get it wrong" during the course of their life? They have money to fix their problems and they get them fixed. Money smooths many avenues.
As people here know and I wrote about this, an entire team of doctors in 1990 at an Advanced Center for Medicine, got everything wrong, fat bigotry blinded them and yes I could have lost my life in 4 Lipedema related bouts of sepsis and other conditions. Why would I trust the experts? If I did, I would be dead at least 4-5 times already. Should a woman who had misdiagnosis impact her life for over 30 years, trust the experts blindly?
These types say be a good citizen, keep your mouth shut and do what you are told. Everyone from abusive families know how that goes. Is China's social credit system already applicable in the USA now where the good citizens who trust the experts, are to receive more benefits in life?
The proper "middle class" and above are the people in Germany who ignored the dangers of Hitler and those funny smells coming out of the smokestacks on the edge of town. Those are the people who never questioned authority. Medical experimentation in Nuremburg supposedly was outlawed. If the "v" was a traditional v that worked and didn't threaten clots, brain thrombi, and other endless side effects, do you think I'd have a problem with it? All the good vaccines took 5-10 years to finish. They didn't shut down and destroy society for polio and it definitely had bad effects, didn't it? Is that because it affected kids and not a bunch of selfish rich old farts who want to burn down the world as they exit this mortal coil?
I'm creeped out by the people who "don't want to question the experts". Dr Mengele in session and they'd be clicking their boots quick. None of them give a damn that if I signed up, it's 50/50 percent death day from the risk of anaphylaxis alone. There's nothing in common with me when it comes to people who don't question the status quo. Hiding my inner feelings of utter disgust is getting harder and harder. I want to live in peace with people but trust me I am noticing who would call the v police to drag me to the Fema camp first.
These are the type of people who line up for the v, see some guy fall to the ground in convulsions and still don't step out of line. Obedience is their great virtue and social status their leading light. Some ask how did the Germans and multitude of others turn their backs on goodness and truth and descend to such evil? It's easy to see. Trust the experts indeed.
Notice here the use of the epitaph--"average citizen"--which basically equates to, "Don't think too much loser." In the Hunger Games society, status is all that counts, and status is attained via conformity and submission. Notice too, the line "discredited doctors", who ever wrote this garbage ignored the contradiction there where they cherry pick the "experts" according to those who are system submissive.
This is how they wiped away the warning voices of scientists and doctors like Hoffe and Yeadon. If you want to see the utter destruction of science, here you go, where no dissent is allowed, and science dies. The "corporate" controlled owned pseudo science, will not lead to any progress but only regression. Their main motive was profit. Were there any studies about the vaccines that weren't run by the pharmaceuticals themselves? Think about that one. Many warned variants or health problems from the vs themselves and a new lock-down would come this fall.
Some years ago, I posted an article by someone who talked about the decline in higher ed. They talked about how academia had become a corporate funded echo chamber of those who were born to rich families, being passed along with certificates and diplomas and via their connections. This was not due to creative or actual critical thinking or achievement. It worried me years ago, how in academia certain voices were ignored and vilified. We see this in the "liberal" world today, where to dissent is to become a non-person and labeled with every insult in the book. When a society shuts down freedom of speech and enters the arena of "cancel culture", basically shutting up anyone they don't like, something has been lost. What has this done to the professional world? Are we seeing the results today?
Are there scientists and doctors who are decent and want to help people, sure, but look what is happening out there. Also know that many who have tried to warn about the vs, have lost their jobs or their positions or faced other censure. Regular Doctor Joes, are probably being scared for their jobs if they open their mouths too much. You wonder why there are so many nurses who don't want the v who got fired from hospitals? They have seen it's effects.
I depend on experts all the time. There's a guy or gal keeping the electric power running here, I have no idea how to do it. My medical problems have moved into complexity beyond some of my knowledge, I never heard of red blood cells getting too small, and couldn't even tell you what too much calcium in the blood means though I know a few causes of it. The best doctors educate me and tell me what is going on and we work then together. Some may be shocked at this but I am "patient compliant" and take all my meds and never miss a treatment. because I want to stay alive.
I have depended on doctors before to "know" things. They knew of drugs I didn't know about several times. They had other suggestions. I can't fix an alternator on a car, or install a HVAC system, or do brain surgery. That said.....
All we have to do is look around, to know the experts have totally screwed up. They have pressed on the gas pedal at high speed to send the world over the cliff. Have the epidemiologists done a good job? What's the last almost two years looked like? What if the experts have gone mad, like the ones who want to give children who have little to no risk from Covid a v that will give them things like heart inflammation and life long health problems?
The smartest people admit they do not know everything and there is much to learn but when one knows of the profit motive in many areas of life, and other corruptions that have entered in, it gives a different picture. Real science allows dissent, and testing of ideas. This isn't science running the show but something else. People like me, do ask, "What if we are wrong?" all the time. I and husband got into a discussion, "What if we are wrong?" We are open to examining all new information. By the way, I hope I am wrong about the worse expectations when it comes to the vs.
I believe in examining the "other side" on every issue and with this one, there's far too many lies, and too much gaslighting. As Judge Judy used to say, "Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining!"
Don't trust anyone who tells you to trust the experts. They already shut their brain off long ago! Listen to experts, but don't shut your brain off. Some experts are decent and have real warnings. Some experts, well if they contradict themselves or make no sense or appear to be compromised, take another look. Society is going to a very scary place, when people are basically being told too much thinking and questioning are bad things.
Expert: that's usually the guy or gal who got the grant. The one out of 20-some others who didn't.
ReplyDeleteLOL that's for sure, and certain grants that adhere to the status quo are granted far more then others. Science has moved beyond the naturalist and victorian days where some of the wealthier even middle class could afford their own microscopes and labs.
DeleteMy first thought was, "But there are other experts who conflict with your narrative," These people are in an echo chamber.
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P.S. You are brave. These totalitarians are hideous.
Thank you Sue. I agree.
DeleteYeah they ignore those other "experts", their love of censorship and silencing of others speaks for itself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fringe_science
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Delete'The news media may play a role in the dissemination and popularization of fringe theories. The media sometimes reduce complex topics to two sides and frame issues in terms of an underdog challenger fighting the mainstream theory. Biblical scholar Matthew Collins wrote that this simplification can be "both misrepresentative and misleading, especially when a far-fetched fringe theory is, in the name of neutrality and fairness, elevated to the role of equally legitimate contender."[4] This false equivalence can become the expected media behavior.'
There's been times in history the mainstream has been wrong, those guys in the brownshirts as they rounded people up were the mainstream once upon a time. Our news media is crap at this point in time, owned and sold out. 6 megacorporations own the press on multiple levels, even small town newspapers got bought up by giant conglomerants. You think we have a free press? Right and Left news has plenty of "fringe theories" for all.
DeletePeep, the point of the above quote is science. There is the concept of scientific consensus in a particular field, which means the opinion held by most scientists in that field after sufficient research has been done to reach a position. For example, the question of whether the present climate change is caused by human activity: A few years ago, it was published that 97% of all scientific studies done on the subject conclude that climate change is indeed mainly caused by humans. This is such an overwhelming majority that those 3% that have not reached the same conclusion do not have to be given equal consideration. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_consensus_on_climate_change )
DeleteIn this case, what you are referring to as "mainstream" is in fact the scientific consensus about COVID-19 and how to combat it.
Scientists correct other scientists, so any wrong results or methods would be identified within the scientific community - and other results would gain traction. One scientific communicator in my country even put it in geopolitical terms. He said, "If there were something very wrong with Covid research in the West, do you think that the Russians or the Chinese would pass up the opportunity to show Western medicine as inferior to their own? There's no money that could buy staying quiet about that." Do you see Russian or Chinese scientists/politicians/media/whatever contradicting Western ones en masse?
I agree that science is not perfect and that scientific knowledge evolves. It is possible that in the future we will learn, or accept as valid, something that isn't yet known or accepted. However, take me - I am an IT professional. What I am good at is nowhere near medicine or any field pertinent to dealing with Covid. Doctors and scientists have devoted years upon years of study and research to highly specialized fields, something I could never match them on. I am not qualified to pass judgment on the details of their work or their conclusions, now or at some future date.
Picture this: Ever since I was a child, I loved astronomy. I read popular-science books and magazines about the universe, watched documentaries. I continue to read on the internet and watch videos about it. I even look at the occasional scientific paper. Because of all this, I know a lot more about outer space than most people do. However, that still doesn't make me an astronomer, and definitely not a better one than those who do it professionally, or who spend significant amounts of time observing the universe and know how to interpret what they see. I do not delude myself into thinking I will discover something that actual astronomers have missed - or are covering up.
I get that you are scared of Covid and everything about it. We all are, to one extent or another. There were sudden great changes to our lives, fear and uncertainty, all causing immense stress. I empathize with that.
There is this notion - not my own idea - that in times of great stress and uncertainty, believing you know what is behind it, seeing an explanation for what has befallen you, can psychologically help you cope. It gives you a sense of control over a situation that you otherwise cannot control. Even more so if it is something most other people do not see. There is a certain comfort in "seeing through it", even when what it is that you see is not pleasant.
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DeleteThe downside of it that sometimes our brains can trick us. Humans are very good at recognizing patterns - so good, in fact, that sometimes we see patterns that are not actually there. Furthermore, humans are suggestible. Have someone guide your thinking by telling you certain things and not others - or seek a particular kind of information yourself because you are already partial to it (confirmation bias; we are all prone to it). Even if you go read "the other side", you may do it with the preconceived notion that they are wrong, in which case even that reinforces your own beliefs. Ultimately, you may end up unshakably convinced of something, even feeling superior to people who don't share your views, when in fact what you believe is not an accurate representation of reality.
Now, some erroneous beliefs are mostly harmless. Believing that the Earth is flat, for example, or that the Moon landings were a hoax. Not a big impact on everyday life. On the other hand, others may be outright dangerous. These are usually the ones that have to do with health.
I understand that you personally may be at too great a risk to get vaccinated against Covid yourself. That's OK. However, preventing contagious diseases in a population depends on numbers. At least a certain percentage of the population has to be vaccinated so that the germs can no longer spread, or if they do (somewhat) spread, that the disease does not get serious. The vaccinated portion of the population also protects those who are not vaccinated. But the vaccinated portion of the population has to be big enough.
At the moment, more than 90% of serious Covid cases in the US - hospitalizations, ICU patients, deaths - are unvaccinated. There are breakthrough infections, i.e. vaccinated people getting infected, but their cases are mostly mild. This is, at least, what the mainstream media is reporting, so I'll leave it to you to judge the information. Assuming this is accurate, the vaccines do prevent *serious* Covid to a great degree, which is their main goal. Mission (90+%) accomplished, on that front.
Regarding the vaccines' side effects, have you properly evaluated the information about them? E.g.: Have you reviewed previous research? Have you taken and compared data from various systems (VAERS, VSD, CISA, clinical trials, etc.)? How many reports about each adverse effect are there? Are the reports verified? What percentage of all vaccinated people is that? What is the rate of same events among unvaccinated people? What other variables have been controlled for when comparing vaccinated and unvaccinated groups? For each reported effect, can a causal link between getting the vaccine and said effect be established (with what degree of confidence?), or is it more likely a coincidence? How prevalent is nocebo (psychological effect, opposite of placebo)?
Answering the above and other questions precisely, with hard data whenever possible, is part of scientific research. Having a feeling that "the reports aren't lying" or that "it can't be coincidence", personally knowing (or not knowing) people who experienced X, picking opinions that you like and not those most supported by evidence, is not. Browsing the internet is not science.
Which brings me to the final point: Erroneous beliefs about health can literally kill people. Think about it. You are not a doctor. You are not a scientist. You have not - I dare say - done any proper research. Yet you take it upon yourself to openly advocate for other people not to get vaccinated. People who have no medical contraindications. Followers of this blog. People who maybe you know personally, who are your friends. Your husband. This is not the same as expressing a political opinion. If someone listens to you, does not get vaccinated, and they get Covid, they may die. Do you understand?
Please consider what I have written here. Thanks.
Nenad
One thing too here, while I express my opinions, I know people are between a rock and hard place, or what one friend called the "devil and deep blue sea", so even those who make decisions like me, know there's a gamble there. I could catch Covid and die, and you understand my risks are so high with the vs, and understand that. Some people will too make decisions like me not wanting to risk the long term effects, adverse etc etc. Some may consider it worth it and take the V. One thing I am worried about and you see it written all over this blog, whatever a person's choices, look at the coercion, look at the freedom being loss, and since these vs are new, think about how the suppression of information or even side effects/ free speech is so dangerous. I know I have written about spiritual worries with the vs, changes to human genome, etc but there's a lot of people I care about who got them. This is a nightmare. Yes every thinking person does ask if they are wrong, and we try to work with the information available to us. Many doctors and scientists have done proper research and we need to listen to them as well. There's too many profit motives and malfeasance muddying the waters here too.
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Have you read the links I have provided about the scientists warning about these vs? These are not fly by night conspiracy theorists, but people like Bossche, Yeadon and others who have worked in the field. Right now on my Twitter I have multiple doctors, scientists and others who are warning about the vs and the ADE and other negative outcomes. I never claimed to be a scientist and doctor, and tell people to do their own research and make their own descisions. You use the "word" mainstream, but haven't you figured out yet, that they are out and out censoring people?
In fact when I first looked into the shots, I was horrified to see the degree of censorship and it was a wake up call especially when they censored doctors and scientists, who went against the narrative. You write, that scientists correct other scientists but this is NOT being allowed now in the scientific community regarding Covid, Why are so many who disagree being out and out censored? That's a major red flag, see all the link articles I have provided, there's multiple scientists and others coming out against what is happening.
That tells me something is very wrong. Some people believe in the system so much they can't even conceive of any wrong doing or malfeasance? Corruption is written all over the fact they are CENSORING scientists and doctors even like Dr. Hoffe who warned of the adverse effects from the vs.
Your claim that any wrong results or methods would be identified within the scientific community is not happening right now as we speak. Anyone who speaks out against the vs or questions their use, or the decisions made are simply silenced. Have you ever heard of the Barrington Declaration?
There's a reason you haven't.
https://gbdeclaration.org/
Scientists and doctors there.
So why are some to be silenced, and others not. Think about it.
Peep,
DeleteProponents of questionable ideas love to point to, "look, there are experts who believe the same as me / who don't go along with the mainstream narrative". Well, one should be cautious with these people's titles, alleged expertise, and what they are saying - which is kind of the idea behind this whole post, right?
With a few minutes of googling, one can find the following from non-obscure sources and fact checking sites:
* Michael Yeadon
'Michael Yeadon is a British pharmacologist who attracted media attention for making false or unfounded claims about the COVID-19 pandemic and the safety of COVID-19 vaccines.' See "COVID-19 misinformation" section and all the references. -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Yeadon
'[Yeadon's claims are] False. Infected but symptom-free people can spread the coronavirus; vaccinated people are better protected but not 100% immune; research shows COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective for adults and pregnant women.' -- https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-health-coronavirus-idUSL2N2N72CS
* Geert Vanden Bossche
'Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche [...] [claims] that the COVID-19 vaccines will be harmful to humanity by allowing the virus to mutate in dangerous ways. If we are worried about dangerous variants emerging, it is much riskier to allow the virus to spread between unvaccinated people.' -- https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-critical-thinking-pseudoscience/doomsday-prophecy-dr-geert-vanden-bossche
* Charles Hoffe
'Charles Hoffe claims in a video posted on Facebook on July 7, 2021 that spike proteins elicited by Covid-19 vaccines using mRNA technology will cause "microscopic" and scattered blood clots that permanently damage tissue. [...] Experts contacted about Hoffe's claim emphasized that he did not describe the process he used to reach his conclusions, and that his results have not been peer-reviewed. "The experiment reported by Dr Hoffe is not a scientific study, and does not fall under the heading of 'evidence-based medicine.' Therefore, no credit can be given to these results," the French Society of Hematology said.' -- https://factcheck.afp.com/http%253A%252F%252Fdoc.afp.com%252F9HK9UY-6
Put simply, these three people are wrong. That's why what they say is being disregarded.
See, this happens because there's all sorts of information out there, which many people don't know how to process correctly. This is where things like education, healthy skepticism, media literacy, science literacy are so important: to be able to tell how reliable a source is; to know any biases a source may have; to be able to tell science from non-science, or good from bad science. Because these skills are lacking in the general public, so many people come to believe in nonsense.
One doesn't have to be a scientist or a media expert to do the above - the goal is for ordinary people to learn to generally spot what is trustworthy info or not. I don't claim to be perfect in that regard, but I try my best.
So, why should I read the links that you posted? That's just the problem - what's there is most likely misinformation that people who lack sufficient judgment fall for. If they are unable to discern science from crackpottery, they may start to believe it, turning them into a danger to themselves and others.
As I said, if you yourself cannot get vaccinated, that's OK. If it's just that you don't want it, that's also your prerogative. Where it becomes a real problem is to further spread unverified, dubious, or false claims, and potentially influence other people with it. I believe that you are doing this out of good intentions. But regardless of it, someone reading your blog may decide to skip vaccination when getting vaccinated is by far the least risky option to them. Medical misinformation endangers lives.
Nenad
PS. I have heard of the Great Barrington Declaration - don't assume that I haven't. Google "great barrington declaration criticism" to look at it from other sides.
DeleteI checked on all these names to see if they were real doctors and who they claimed to be. I even looked up the Linked In accounts on some of the Barrington folks.
DeleteThe disclaimer about Yeadon, just states the vaccines are "safe and effective" and ignores directly what is going on now with all the "breakthrough cases". If one compares the rate of Covid now in the most highly vaccinated countries the rate is far far higher, like Iceland. To be blunt the vs are failing to fulfill their promises. Yeadon's warnings in looking at these statistics are coming true. ADE is happening now. Delta is being blamed on un "ved" people but most likely is the result of ADE, worse and worse strains of Covid are going to be occuring. It is like Marek's disease in chickens.
I saw this one guy sum it thusly.
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These shots are clearly demonstrating they do not provide immunity nor do they prevent transmission to others, as the CDC itself recently acknowledged. They never did.
As such:
There is no justification for mandating these shots.
There is no justification for vaccine passports or fucking 'health passes'.
There is no justification for coercing anyone to take these experimental shots to maintain employment, or as a prerequisite for travel.
But if one chooses to take it, by all fucking means. Take two of each if you'd like.
Choice --- quickly vanishing.
Soon enough, all those that lined up to take these shots will have to take periodic/recurring 'boosters', or otherwise be restricted from 'freedoms'.
Unfortunately, the same will apply to all those that refuse/resist.
All of this (ostensibly) for a virus with an actual IFR of 0.15% and a median IFR of 0.05% for people under 70.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/eci.13554
https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_fir ... 265892.pdf
This is the fucking tragic life in store for us, passively or actively promoted by those allowing these measures to push through without resistance."
"better protected", that's a vague nebulous promise and makes it clear these vs aren't even true vaccines that give true immunity, but only offer vague promises.
It is insane too, to give an experimental vaccine where no long term effects are known for pregnancy or effect on a fetus.
Isn't it obvious that Yeadon's warnings of ADE are coming true? Blaming the un ve'd is a cop out.
ADE has been studied all over by scientists and doctors in other places. This idea that there is SCIENCE that has all the answers and the rest are all wrong, is a propaganda tool now being utilized by the media and powers that be.
DeleteTake a look at this study regarding the ADE
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ijcp.13795
International Journal of Clinical Practice
International Journal of Clinical Practice
PERSPECTIVE
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Informed consent disclosure to vaccine trial subjects of risk of COVID-19 vaccines worsening clinical disease
Timothy Cardozo, Ronald Veazey
First published: 28 October 2020 https://doi.org/10.1111/ijcp.13795Citations: 2
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Aims of the study
Patient comprehension is a critical part of meeting medical ethics standards of informed consent in study designs. The aim of the study was to determine if sufficient literature exists to require clinicians to disclose the specific risk that COVID-19 vaccines could worsen disease upon exposure to challenge or circulating virus.
It's not just Yeadon in other words that raised the problems with ADE and these vs.
In the article above they state:
Delete"1 THE RISK OF ADE IN COVID-19 VACCINES IS NON-THEORETICAL AND COMPELLING"
Hoffe is right about the d-dimer tests and small blood clots, do you know how many v ed people got D-dimer done after their various symptoms and came out positive? Those are all over the web. Even with the plain fact, this woman's propaganda article is weak using "peer-review" as the response to why Hoffe is wrong when a v was suspended from the market for a short time [the Astra V] for causing blood clots.
DeleteEven the vaccines connection to thrombosis, give more believability to Hoffe's claims.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ijlh.13629
Sad young women got life threatening diseases when due to their age, they would probably have had little trouble from a Covid infection themselves.
It's that kind of stuff I look at that doesn't add up.
You have to be careful with those surface propaganda articles that are just Covid narrative defending and don't offer any true answers.
like with the blood clots issue think this one out, if the spike protein in Covid, produces blood clots in severe cases, what do you think is going to happen when people take the vs that lead their bodies via the mrna to produce spike proteins in their bodies? They will operate the same within their body.
Remember that Salk institute study.
https://tidsskriftet.no/en/2021/04/kort-kasuistikk/deep-vein-thrombosis-more-two-weeks-after-vaccination-against-covid-19
What gets me is they have deemed myocarditis acceptable in teenagers, and they consider blood clots an acceptable risk too. That's messed up. I think Hoffe is right, the very unlucky get the bigger clots but it's obvious spike proteins aren't good for the circulatory system whether from Covid itself or the vs.
When you say "process correctly"? What do you mean shut down all independent thinking? One thing I have noticed is among Covid disciples I ask a lot of questions on various message boards and the like, I don't get many responses, I notice the theme with the propaganda pro-vaxx articles, they all minimize the side effects, they often use "appeal to authority" as the main response and idea deflecting from the endless side effects. Even missed in our discussion, is the fact I am not an anti-vaxxer, have taken other vaccines and if this one was safe, and operated like a traditional vaccine, why would anyone be hesistant including me? Have you ever wondered why there's no medical exemptions out there, where the level of coercion is so high. if the v was safe and good, people except a very small segment of the population would go running for it. No one had to talk me into tetanus shots. So yes something else is going on here.
DeleteAlso why claim that people aren't smart enough to understand things, that too is a distraction as well. I am someone who had to study medicine to remain alive. I'm not saying I am an expert, but I am a victim of medical professionals getting it wrong before, so this trust in the system, I don't understand it.
Also brushing off everything as nonsense is absurd. I tried here to dig up scientific websites etc, to show you. here, one sees the elitism on the left giving a blindness of sorts, I hate to say it but when society has entered a place of "approved [Corporate approved actually] Science" it has gone to a very dangerous place. Science itself may be destroyed as a result of all this. The fact so many on the left don't see the dangers here is scary. one thing that woke me up is all the censorship. Why are those who are suffering adverse effects being silenced, suppressed and hidden. That question alone should have you not trusting what you are told.
> Delta is being blamed on un "ved" people but most likely is the result of ADE
DeleteThe Delta variant was first detected in India in October 2020, before vaccination started. See table here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variants_of_SARS-CoV-2#Overview
It has become widespread around the world in the last 2-3 months. It's pointless to "blame" anyone now, it's just being noted that if more people had gotten vaccinated earlier, chances are it would not have spread as much, since the vaccines do reduce transmission.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SARS-CoV-2_Delta_variant
Peep,
DeleteI will conclude this conversation by saying - as you wish. I didn't expect to change your mind, but I hope to be a voice to someone who might read this discussion sometime. Be well.
Nenad
One thing I have noticed is people believe in the "system" and some don't. I don't. I mean it's obvious. I know in America, a lot of our news is propaganda, and we are lied to, and no I am not some Trumpster going on about fake news, but for those who don't see that there are some problems here, I don't even understand how they cannot see that something is wrong here. So much with this covid stuff has not added up, it boggles my mind how people can accept everything they are told.
DeleteThese men are not crockpots, they are doctors, some worked for the Pharm companies themselves. I also posted a link too where doctors themselves on the webmd website talked about all the horrific things they have seen.
You say it's OK I am not vaccinated you at least believe in some choice and I am happy for that, but what do you think is going to happen to me when they outlaw I and my husband going to the grocery store, or to get medical care, etc. This is already happen to people in other countries. They probably are figuring out another avenue to get Americans to submit because we have the second amendment. They are taking people's jobs away. Haven't you noticed they don't care about medical or religious exemptions, a few with good lawyers one their cases, but they don't care, and that should make you suspicious alone, they want this stuff forced on children who have no danger of Covid, no one cares if I die, because of the history of severe autoimmune disease, or anaphylaxis? What if I lose the little hearing I have left or even my vision which has happened to others? If I end up in a nursing home or my husband incapacitated, there's no one to pick up the pieces. Just the fact of the medical trauma I have suffered in this life married to this march to tyranny and dystopia, is beyond description to people.
So why you say it is okay that I didn't get the v, the powers that be, don't think it is. I even wonder if I will be put off to a Fema camp at this rate. The conspiracy theorists were right.
I am glad you think I have good intentions, I think you really believe the powers that be "care" and want you rescued from Covid, even though they allowed it to spread in the first place, and as we know with fishy things happening in Wuhu, like released it on purpose or by accident.
I believe the vs put people's lives in danger. We could be looking at complete societal collapse here. You believe the vs save lives, and warning people about them is wrong. I do not think what I share is misinformation, look at all my link articles, you know I put work into complying information, look at my Twitter, this isn't just extreme right articles but scientists, doctors, and others warning. Something does add up with the narrative.
look at these statistics: VAERs is estimated to just report 1-10 percent of all cases. Do the math. Look how much pain and suffering there is in other countries.
https://johnplatinumgoss.com/covid-19-vaccination-statistics/
Ask yourself why are such high risk vs being given to a billion people almost, if not more, and why this experiment is even going to be done on children?
Even from your side, you have no idea of the long term effects, you have to admit that.
I am glad you support choice but you may be switching to my side one day once you see what they have in store for people like me and once more comes out about these Vs.
To be honest I am in shock daily they have not been stopped for the open failure we see of them now and the adverse effects piling up to the ceiling. You have to know I know people personally who have told me of things happening to them. From fatigue to seizures.
Be well too Nenad, well people can read our sides and make their own decisions. Take care.
Deleteyes all of this is stressful, and stress can make people run to ready answers or perhaps even too much trust, because things are too scary to deal with so that can go both ways.
ReplyDeleteI do read the other side, all the time, and you are right everyone can have problems with confirmation bias etc. There's questions though that simply don't get answered and inconsistencies here, such as the silencing about the spike protein being a toxin. There's too much I just can't ignore and you are right, I am not a scientist so I do have to depend on the brave ones speaking out to explain things a bit, but here too, ask yourself if big pharm and other actors deserve the trust you have placed in them so implicitly? Have you ever questioned that the decisions they are making now with these extensive lock-downs and Vs, that provide NO immunity and don't stop transmissions could be doing far more harm?
Remember I am not one of those right wingers who blew it all off as a "hoax" or tell people it is just a flu. Something out there is making people sick even if I question the use of PCR tests, I have worn the masks and taken precautions. There's too much that does not make sense, and I think a blatant leave it up to the experts is dangerous especially when so many experts ARE being ignored with their warnings, and lets be frank these vs are experimental, they simply do NOT know the long term effects and humanity could have the biggest screw up on it's hands even if it was all well-intended and there were no nefarious, financial or social engineering or other agendas connected to it.
I don't feel superior to anyone just trying to figure it all out. I am shocked at the level of trust being handed people I don't believe deserve it, but certainly don't see myself as superior. I like and care about a lot of people who got the vs and hope nothing bad happens to them. Most people I know got the vs in my life.
Thanks for understanding my personal risk with the Vs. Here's the problem with the Vs, you say preventing contagious diseases depends on numbers but these vs are a problem in that they don't stop tranmission, they are openly admitting the ved people can still spread it. So I still have to socially distance from them even though in the past, I could be with people truly immunized against a disease. The germs are still spreading. Sometimes I get worried that most people believe these vs work the same way as our good traditional vaccinations and that worries me, because they don't.
Also you write that 90 percent of the serious cases of Covid are the unved, but many are counteracting that, "breakthrough" cases [which is something that was extremely rare in good vaccines] are being reported all over. Why do I personally know two people [hmmm makes that claim of only 1 in 27,000 people claim of breakthroughs with the Vs kind of ludicrous] who have gotten Covid pnemonia, severe enough for hospitalization, one could be on this death bed now and he was fully ved? Such reports make no sense. With all the censorship of adverse effects, such decisions like the CDC's decision not to count breakthrough cases in the fully vaccinated is messed up as well.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/06/cdc-covid-coronavirus-data-breakthrough-cases
ReplyDeleteCheck out my twitter channel, people are reporting that the vs are not doing what was promised. This includes even more doctors joining in.
https://peakd.com/hive-196427/@ura-soul/vpqiqvyh
Many doctors are exposing the leaky nature of the vs, and basically exposing that they are making things worse.
https://twitter.com/CumbriaWitch/status/1424367748717633537/photo/1
There are medical professionals speak out worldwide.
https://www.covidmedicalnetwork.com/open-letters/first-do-no-harm.aspx
It's interesting to me how information is being suppressed and censored and that should make any questioning person reexamine things. I don't support this politician, but she even questions the vs, and was immediately silenced.
https://www.aol.com/twitter-suspends-marjorie-taylor-greene-153457845.html
one thing too I am noticing Nenad, is the people who got the v, some are waking up and questioning the crack downs, destruction of liberty and why they are back wearing masks and not having any promised freedoms. Some may claim blame the unvaccinated, but with the ADE, the growing variants, etc, people are figuring out something is very wrong here. And some of the censored scientists told us this is what was going to happen too.
I went to the pharm websites themselves, I've read Open Vaers, and even backdated stories pre-covid of animal research, etc etc. I've even looked at VAERs like data from other countries and it doesn't look good.
I have spoken out on here, how people I know have had adverse affects from the vs, look sicker and more. Many people are talking about that webwide. BTW why is the horrific news about miscarriages and problems with women's periods being so suppressed. I have posted links to health boards, shingles, vestibular, etc, where people have shared their horrific side effects on this blog too. There's dangers on that side too.
One question I have for you, why don't you believe these people? Do you agree the doctors and scientists warning should be silenced? Sure anyone who questions anything asks, "Am I wrong?" I definitely do. But we now have a society that is intent on suppressing open discussion? Why if the v's were safe and effective, would they have such a problem getting people to take them? If this whole mess wasn't based on lies, people would have the needed trust. I never sat around thinking oh I better never get a tentanus booster, I knew it worked and was safe so I got it. There was absolutely none of this angst. That's not the same with these vs.
People know something is wrong especially with the level of coercion and bribery connected to them and destroyed freedoms like not allowing French people to go to the grocery store.
The scientific research alone says something is wrong here. The spike protein aspects, I have provided enough links on for people to judge for themselves.
True science doesn't silence all dissent. It also does not allow dangerous experimentation on millions of people and now children possibly for a disease they don't even with the majority have ill effects from. True science allows questioning and doesn't run immediately to censorship, and that censorship by itself says something is very wrong here.
Yeah browsing the internet is not science, but I know when things don't add up. I am just a lay person asking questions. We all should ask questions whatever medical procedure we decide to go through with.
I want people to make their own decisions, I am not going to make anyone's medical decisions for them. I provide links for them to read, information to examine things for themselves, and share my own concerns, nothing more.
> One question I have for you, why don't you believe these people?
Delete> Do you agree the doctors and scientists warning should be silenced?
Wasn't the main point of this post that one shouldn't blindly trust people who are called experts? If this is true of "mainstream" experts, the same should go for the "alternative" ones.
In general, I try to be healthily skeptical and neither blindly accept, nor reject things out of hand. That said, I still assume that systems like the scientific method, scientific consensus, and academic publishing are the best way we have - i.e., the least bad one - of finding out the truth. Not being a scientist myself, I see it as my best bet to take the current scientific consensus as the most probable description of reality.
Also, part of science is that debates are not settled just anywhere and in any way, but through research, scientific papers and peer review. The "warners" here are not doing that - from what I see, they are mainly offering their opinion in non-scientific media. More often than not, they are not specialists in the field that they are discussing, they have not done relevant research or they only did it a long time ago, and sometimes, unfortunately, they are bad actors and frauds.
Again, this is where media literacy and science literacy is crucial to the general public: to be able to assess how reliable such individuals or their claims likely are.
Furthermore, what do you mean by "silencing"? I am genuinely asking, because I don't follow these things so closely. On the merit of the claims, I simply think that stuff that is not verified or is likely wrong, should not be spread or given a platform. And so, reputable media don't do it. Also, the subject matter being one that massively affects everyone, spreading these things uncritically is liable to cause fear and vaccine hesitancy, which in turn just prolongs the pandemic and increases the likelihood of new virus variants. It's mainly damaging and not beneficial.
Nenad
Did you know this Nenad that PHds are among the most vaccine hesistant? Ask yourself why this is?
Delete"The largest decrease in hesitancy between January and May by education group was in those with a high school education or less. Hesitancy held constant in the most educated group (those with a Ph.D.); by May Ph.D.’s were the most hesitant group. While vaccine hesitancy decreased across virtually all racial groups, Blacks and Pacific Islanders had the largest decreases, joining Hispanics and Asians at having lower vaccine hesitancy than whites in May."
Read that again the Ph.d.s were the most hesistant.
These are the people most likely to question the narrative, and to question why things don't add up.
They know there's too many missing logic holes here.
https://www.upmc.com/media/news/072621-king-mejia-vaccine-hesitancy
no one's questioned this either, why not scrap vaccines that don't fully immunize or try to come up with better that could be more trusted with less side effects? Why weren't traditional vaccines used? Why won't they make traditional ones as an option? And no, the adenovectors still share the same cell invading spike proteins. Instead we are left with Trump's dregs from Operation Warp Speed and billionaires wanting profit putting humanity at risk.
Another scientist's warning...
ReplyDelete"So who needs conspiracy-theorists when you have a growing number of alarmed medical, biological, and technical professionals vainly trying to sound the alarm? Not that it matters, since Science, big S, no longer cares about facts but only bottom dollar. This is British Columbia-based Chris Shaw, Ph.D, Specialist in Neuroplasticity and Neuropathology:
“The mRNA lipid-coated PEG-construct––by Moderna’s own study––does not stay localized but spreads throughout the body, including the brain. Found in animal studies in bone marrow, brain, lymph nodes, heart, kidneys liver, lungs, etc. Doctors are saying that the vaccine does not cross the blood-brain barrier, but that is not true. . . . If it reaches the brain, there will be an auto-immune response that will cause inflammation. What characterizes virtually all neuro-degenerative diseases is this misfolded protein that is characteristic to Lou Gerrig’s disease, to Alzheimer’s, to Parkinson’s to Huntington’s, etc. They are different proteins, but they tend to form these sheets of misfolded proteins called Beta Sheets. Now you are asking cells in various parts of the body––including the brain––to make a lot of these proteins and release them to the outside, and , are we sure that’s what it’s all doing? Are you getting clusters of misfolded proteins inside neurons? That would be a bad thing to do. So you’d like to know where it is, how much of it there is, and which groups of neuronal groups it’s targeted. And those are the kinds of questions you like the companies to have solved long before they got authorization and discovered, some years later, that they have a problem.”
“This is a vast experiment that should have been done in the lab on animals and now it is being done on people . . . The potential is that you are going to harm a lot of people while you do this experiment.”
more doctors warning and commenting..
ReplyDeletehttps://www.medscape.com/sites/public/covid-19/vaccine-insights/how-concerned-are-you-about-vaccine-related-adverse-events?fbclid=IwAR0yTzG4lUV9qAq8oW3W6_CeG9n6zNiDi8xJnufmOGaiRJv_Q-Joo6NN5zs
You gave me a Reuters link....Did you know a board member of Pfizer is connected to Reuters?
ReplyDeletehttps://divergemedia.ca/2021/06/28/thomas-reuters-foundation-chairman-is-also-board-member-at-pfizer/
Also see Open Vaers: https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data
ReplyDeleteThe deaths with these vs outdistance ALL of the former vs put together.
Why is that not a problem?
And here's one question why should teenagers who have little to no risk from Covid have their lives put in jeopardy taking this experimental vaccine. My father had pericarditis [caused naturally when young] and his health was destroyed for life. That's one thing they don't tell people, that it's not something mild, it affects your whole life. This kid for instance didn't have to have this happen to him.
"VAERS ID: 1141993
AGE: 19| SEX: M|State: NV Print
Description
at 2-8-21 at approximately 1:00pm i recieved my 2nd shot. at 5:00am on 2-9-21, i woke up experiencing an extreme headache, nausea, body aches, and severe chest pain. i checked my heartrate with a pulseoximeter and found it to be elevated at 105-115. i called out of work and rested in bed for the day. on 2-10-21 most of my symptoms had subsided however the chest pain persisted through 2-11-21. on 2-11-21 at 2:00pm, i visited the urgent care. while there, the provider ran an ecg, chest x-ray, and bloodwork. test results showed troponin levels in my blood had reached critical levels of 7.72ng/ml. i was immediately transported to the er at the hospital, where upon arrival they did an ekg and bloodwork. i was then admitted and seen by a cardiologist, who ordered an ct angiogram, more bloodwork, and an echocardiogram. after i was admitted, my mother contact the nurses station to check on me and asked what was wrong. she was then told the hospital was treating me for an nstemi and myocarditis. this resulted in a 3 day hospital stay where the results of the tests showed there was nothing wrong with my heart other than the increased troponin levels. it should be noted that i have had zero previous cardiac issues, or any other significant health issues. i was discharged from the hospital with lower but still elevated troponin levels, and told to follow up with my primary care doctor. i had no health issues and felt fine until i had my second dose of the covid-19 vaccine. i have copies of my hospital records detailing all of this.
Symptoms
Acute myocardial infarction, Echocardiogram normal, Myocarditis, Angiogram normal, Electrocardiogram normal, Nausea, Blood test abnormal, Headache, Pain, Chest X-ray, Heart rate increased, Troponin increased, Chest pain, Impaired work ability"
So Nenad, it doesn't take much to question the sanity or reasoning behind all this.
https://doctors4covidethics.org/the-prevailing-corona-nonsense-narrative-debunked-in-10-or-26-minutes/
ReplyDeleteTotal applause from here Peeps, for ALL of it: the two excellant pieces written, the videos, AND the responces to Nenad. Agree 100%!
ReplyDeleteChelle
Thank You Chelle. :)
DeleteHi again Peeps,
ReplyDeleteI found this comment on a message board several days ago on something I was looking at in England. I thought it would be nice to share it here. I wrote it out in long hand, and have it placed on my refrigerator.
Written by Scott Bolton
Out of all the vaccines I have taken in my life: Tetanus, rubella, measles, mumps, polio, hep. TB;
Never before have I seen so much confusion over a vaccine that says I have to wear a mask, and socially distance even when fully vaccinated.
Apparently I could contract or spread the virus even when fully vaccinated.
Never had to have a double shot, never been bribed by establishments to take the vaccine in order to win a car, cash, or other prizes. Never before has a vaccine been available in Primark ...!
I never had to worry about cardiac issues and or blood clots and DEATH as a side effect.
I was never judged if I didn't take it.
I was never discrimated against for travel or other regular services.
The vaccines I have listed above never told me I was a bad person for not taking it, or taking it for that matter. I have never seen a vaccine that threatened the relation-ship between between a family member or a close friend.
Never seen it used for political gain and never seen it used to persuade kids in favour of free ice cream.
I have never seen a vaccine threaten someone's livlihood, job, school, etc.
I have never seen a vaccine that allows a twelve year old's consent to supersede his/her parents consent.
So after all I have said, can someone tell me how I am cospiracy theorist, uneducated, non researched because I am not willing to take this vaccine UNTIL the clinical trials are over at least two years from now.
Finally, after all the vaccines (shots) I listed above, I have never seen a vaccine like this one that discriminates, divides, and judges a society such as this one.
So much information is censored, deleted, and removed from the internet.
So many doctors, scientists, are censored and forbidden to speak out or ask legitimate questions when what is being allowed or not allowed does not make any sense.
People are taking this vaccine with DEATH as a side effect to buy back their freedom (which was your human right to begin with. You never lost it.) NOT to prevent or keep you safe from the virus. Because it isn't working. People who are double jabbed are getting it and still dying from it.
Seriousely. Can you read that again?
This sure is one powerful vaccine. It does all of these things I have mentioned and yet? It doesn't do what all the other vaccines that I mentioned earlier were designed to do, which is to fight off COVID, a virus with a natural recovery rate of 99% thanks to our miraculuous immune system!
If you do not stand for freedom of choice then you are not in any way shape or form trying to get this country back to normal.
You are promoting a divisive society. Subjecting people to second class existances and stealing the freedom from your own and children's future.
Yes that sums it up. This v is nothing like former traditional vaccines that WORKED and provided real immunization. That's a great summation thanks for sharing it here! All those promises and with so many risks and now, one can tell it's not fulfilling the promises whatsoever.
Deletehttps://www.wsj.com/articles/israel-80-vaccinated-suffers-another-covid-19-surge-11628769603
Hi again Peeps,
ReplyDeleteI found this comment on a message board several days ago on something I was looking at in England. I thought it would be nice to share it here. I wrote it out in long hand, and have it placed on my refrigerator.
Written by Scott Bolton
Out of all the vaccines I have taken in my life: Tetanus, rubella, measles, mumps, polio, hep. TB;
Never before have I seen so much confusion over a vaccine that says I have to wear a mask, and socially distance even when fully vaccinated.
Apparently I could contract or spread the virus even when fully vaccinated.
Never had to have a double shot, never been bribed by establishments to take the vaccine in order to win a car, cash, or other prizes. Never before has a vaccine been available in Primark ...!
I never had to worry about cardiac issues and or blood clots and DEATH as a side effect.
I was never judged if I didn't take it.
I was never discrimated against for travel or other regular services.
The vaccines I have listed above never told me I was a bad person for not taking it, or taking it for that matter. I have never seen a vaccine that threatened the relation-ship between between a family member or a close friend.
Never seen it used for political gain and never seen it used to persuade kids in favour of free ice cream.
I have never seen a vaccine threaten someone's livlihood, job, school, etc.
I have never seen a vaccine that allows a twelve year old's consent to supersede his/her parents consent.
So after all I have said, can someone tell me how I am cospiracy theorist, uneducated, non researched because I am not willing to take this vaccine UNTIL the clinical trials are over at least two years from now.
Finally, after all the vaccines (shots) I listed above, I have never seen a vaccine like this one that discriminates, divides, and judges a society such as this one.
So much information is censored, deleted, and removed from the internet.
So many doctors, scientists, are censored and forbidden to speak out or ask legitimate questions when what is being allowed or not allowed does not make any sense.
People are taking this vaccine with DEATH as a side effect to buy back their freedom (which was your human right to begin with. You never lost it.) NOT to prevent or keep you safe from the virus. Because it isn't working. People who are double jabbed are getting it and still dying from it.
Seriousely. Can you read that again?
This sure is one powerful vaccine. It does all of these things I have mentioned and yet? It doesn't do what all the other vaccines that I mentioned earlier were designed to do, which is to fight off COVID, a virus with a natural recovery rate of 99% thanks to our miraculuous immune system!
If you do not stand for freedom of choice then you are not in any way shape or form trying to get this country back to normal.
You are promoting a divisive society. Subjecting people to second class existances and stealing the freedom from your own and children's future.
Hello Peep,
ReplyDeleteJust wanted to share this very plain and frank dicussion between two learned doctors, who are sincerely interested in ending the pandemic, and have no other goals or interests in mind. When one hears the truth ring through in a conversation like this, one knows it, and has no other need for any additional education.
These men/ both doctors and professors of medicine, discuss the vaccines, the obvious lack of tranparency and the need to correct it, the ongoing censorship, and a recipe to end the pandemic in a month's time.
All this in an informal manner, as two gentlemen fellows would sipping lemonade on the front porch.
See: Dr. Paul Marik Discusses latest Trends in COVID Management, Dr. Been, youtube.
'Marik is inventor of the "Marik protocol", also known as the "HAT" protocol which proposes a combination of hydrocortisone, vitamin C, and thiamine as a treatment for preventing sepsis for people in intensive care. Marik's own initial research, published in 2017,[10] showed a dramatic evidence of benefit, leading to the protocol becoming popular among intensive care physicians, especially after the protocol received attention on social media and National Public Radio,[11] drawing criticism of science by press conference from the wider medical community.[12] Subsequent independent research failed to replicate Marik's positive results, indicating the possibility that they had been compromised by bias.[4] A systematic review of trials in 2021 found that the claimed benefits of the protocol could not be confirmed.[13]
Delete'Marik was lead author of a journal article on the efficacy of ivermectin as a COVID-19 treatment, which had been provisionally accepted for publication by a Frontiers Media journal in early 2021, but which was subsequently rejected on account of what the publisher said were "a series of strong, unsupported claims based on studies with insufficient statistical significance" meaning that the article did "not offer an objective [or] balanced scientific contribution to the evaluation of ivermectin as a potential treatment for COVID-19".[14]'
-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_E._Marik
'Science by press conference (or science by press release) is the practice by which scientists put an unusual focus on publicizing results of research in the media.[1] The term is usually used disparagingly.[2] It is intended to associate the target with people promoting scientific "findings" of questionable scientific merit who turn to the media for attention when they are unlikely to win the approval of the professional scientific community.
'Premature publicity violates a cultural value of most of the scientific community, which is that findings should be subjected to independent review with a "thorough examination by the scientific community" before they are widely publicized.[3]'
-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_by_press_conference
Thanks for the video Anon
DeleteI will have to watch it later, but looks interesting, I saw a comment on comments where someone mentioned someone being forced to turn blue at home. This is what happened to someone who couldn't breathe with Covid I know. They sent them home because their oxygen wasn't low enough for treatment, talk about sending someone home to die. They are still alive.
This meta‐analysis showed that ivermectin was associated with reduction in severity of Covid‐19 (RR 0.43 [95% CI 0.23–0.81], p = 0.008), reduction of mortality (RR 0.31 [95% CI 0.15–0.62], p = 0.001), higher negative RT‐PCR test results rate (RR 1.23 [95% CI 1.01–1.51], p = 0.04), shorter time to negative RT‐PCR test results (mean difference [MD] −3.29 [95% CI −5.69, −0.89], p = 0.007), higher symptoms alleviations rate (RR 1.23 [95% CI 1.03−1.46], p = 0.02), shorter time to symptoms alleviations (MD −0.68 [95% CI −1.07, −0.29], p = 0.0007) and shorter time to hospital discharge (MD −2.66 [95% CI −4.49, −0.82], p = 0.004). Our study suggests that ivermectin may offer beneficial effects towards Covid‐19 outcomes. More randomized clinical trial studies are still needed to confirm the results of our study.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8209939/#:~:text=Summary%20Ivermectin%20is%20an%20FDA%E2%80%90approved%20drug%20for%20a,related%20to%20our%20aims%20until%2010th%20May%202021.
Nenad I've been collecting scads of positive studies for Ivermectin.
The evidence that they are suppressing this drug is immense.
I know for a fact doctors in my state are not allowed to prescribe this drug, why? They are doctors why can't they make the choice, some people do get parasites.
You know I faced naturopath remedies that did not work, I worried that the side that was pro-Ivermectin was lying too, hey who do we trust, obviously someone is lying, but India used the drug successfully and far more places. Why would they have to take the trouble to tell doctors they could not prescribe it, so the big pharms can make billions of dollars?
The vs are failing, that much is a given, I know people who got Covid and serious Covid anyway who were vaxxed. And now they expect everyone to sign up for the roulette wheel of blood clots and allergies every 6 months? Many people who have not felt well after the 2 shots do not want the booster. They will join people like me who never got it in being banned from society. Do you support this growing totalitarianism, I hope not. Did you know they want to outlaw unvaxxed people from flying [in America] even if they are willing to wear masks? [this means even if you missed your latest booster you are banned]>
Why should I trust the mainstream professional scientists? Sold out cowards who believe a narrative and support failing leaky vaccines? I mean whats in it for me or anyone else. They already failed us, playing with viruses in the lab to destroy human beings.
Some of these rules would make sense on one level if the vs were safe wnd provided immunity and stopped transmission like old traditonal vaccines, but they don't.
I probably will have to take my chances with the horse paste too, if I ever catch Covid. Even to go to alternative online doctors, unable to use insurance would cost hundreds of dollars.
Why should I trust the people who ruined our lives? Why should I trust them? They have already failed us. Even the dangerous nature and poor quality of their so called vs that want to have the body produce toxic spike proteins is a betrayal and screw up of the highest order.
> I know for a fact doctors in my state are not allowed to prescribe [ivermectin], why?
DeleteFirst, what does it mean - not allowed to prescribe ivermectin for any condition? for Covid? something else? Second, how do you know it? Can you show any evidence?
> They are doctors why can't they make the choice, some people do get parasites.
I would assume that being a doctor doesn't mean you can do just anything you want; medical practice is governed by regulations, and there are usually good reasons for them. At the moment, ivermectin seems not approved by the FDA to treat COVID-19.
https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19
Also, get this: "The FDA has received multiple reports of patients who have required medical support and been hospitalized after self-medicating with ivermectin intended for horses." (link above)
> Why would they have to take the trouble to tell doctors they could not prescribe it, so the big pharms can make billions of dollars?
Wait, isn't ivermectin too made by companies that stand to make money from it?
Also, the purpose of a vaccine is to prevent (or significantly reduce) disease; the purpose of a cure or treatment is to treat the disease once it has occurred. The two are not mutually exclusive.
If what you are saying is that ivermectin is being "suppressed" in favor of Covid vaccines, how does it make sense? What would vaccine manufacturers have to gain from banning ivermectin? Vaccines are applied before one gets Covid and ivermectin is supposed to be applied during Covid, right?
> Why should I trust the mainstream professional scientists?
Aren't they the ones who also came up with ivermectin? With medications that you regularly use?
> I probably will have to take my chances with the horse paste too, if I ever catch Covid.
Please don't - see above.
Nenad
The doctors are not allowed to prescribe Ivermectin, I know this applies to my state and a neighboring on. I did find this website that talks about these laws and restrictions. I do believe it is unprecedent for politicians to direct what medicines, remember Ivermectin is a 40 year proven medicine, that doctors can prescribe. Of course there are rules they have to follow but this is something new.
Deletehttps://www.ama-assn.org/system/files/2020-04/board-of-pharmacy-covid-19-prescribing.pdf
I do not know if a doctor can get an override like for someone with parasites or not.
It is ironic you mention Ivermectin is not approved by the FDA for Covid because none of the Vs are approved either. Just something to think about. Sadly corruption may get the vs approved.
I did go read the FDA website. I have seen Ivermectin discussions, people are being cautious [I hope] on dosages. I do not know about using Ivermectin for prevention, some are choosing to do that.
Ivermectin is way past it's patent, I'm sure it makes some money but not same as profits for new ones.
Most vaccines have historically immunized except for flu shots.
If what some scientists and doctors say about Ivermectin is true, Ivermectin could have ended this pandemic long ago. Some do take Ivermectin for prevention, it is something I have not studied enough yet.
Yes some scientists are good, don't get me wrong but the politicians are running this show. Remember those links I put up about the doctors speaking out against the v and on their negative experiences. I do depend on a lot of medicines. I don't think all medicines are bad. I do tend to research a lot of the new experimental medicines. One doctor wanted to put me on a black box medicine that actually was removed from the market later and I said no, it's like that with these vs.
> none of the Vs are approved [by the FDA]
DeletePfizer is now.
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine
The others do have emergency use authorization.
Comirnaty is approved, but no injectibles available as of yet. Not yet known when they will be rolled out. Although the pharmacology of one to the other (comrnty. vs. pfibiontec) may be similar or even perhaps exact, they are not legally the same (nor your right to any injury claim, except with respect to the former).
DeleteNot available because under the law the no liability thing doesn't apply anymore.
DeleteHi Peeps,
ReplyDeleteNot sure I understand. I was thinking that under pfizer biontec as EUA, one had no possibility of a claim. But that under the new label Comirnaty, and granted FUA, that one might have a hope of being compensated for an actual sustained injury, provided they took the new label, and not the older one, likely sitting currently on the shelves for use. It was meant as a cautionary tale, for anyone considering vaccination right now.
Lilac
ReplyDeleteThese are a load of midwits who think they’re hot shit just because they’ve got a degree. I pissed off some chick on Facebook who just got a BA in Creative Writing or something like that when I told her that I won first place in an international essay scholarship competition (I might try another contest for this year, I have to write an essay about a song from a Taylor Swift album and I’ve got deeper thoughts on her songs than most of her fans) and she got all jealous and bitchy and said I didn’t deserve it - mind you I was just a freshman science major (they didn’t have a real physics major at that college in Pennsylvania so I just picked “natural sciences” but it was a total waste of time since they only had lower division physics courses and they are not even really “calculus-based” as they claim, I did no homework and got an A from my memory of high school physics that wasn’t even AP... my professor was a bit of a celebrity though, he used to go on the Jay Leno show to do science tricks such as dipping his hand in molten lead, so I guess that was kind of cool) and the only comeback she had was repeatedly saying “suck it” - very creative writer-ly of her.
I’m the type of kid that these science bimbos hated in high school for getting A’s without studying, now imagine if I actually DID study - for the past two years with literally nothing else to do - don’t underestimate an autist with unlimited free time to spare.
Just brings to mind the song lyrics “Trust meeeee, children... Trust meeeee, darling - TAKING A BATH IN CYANIDE TAKING A BATH TAKING A BATH IN CYANIDE TAKING A BATH Don’t you wanna play? Don’t you wanna play? Don’t you wanna play?” I don’t think it could get any clearer what it’s about... he showed a video of what looked like WWII/Holocaust imagery (and weird illustrations of hand gestures/sign language?) during the concert at this particular song too... and for “Grey Matter” pictures of his brain, of people getting lobotomized, of Hitler waving a flag hypnotizing people...
A degree now means one is just good at memorization, doesn't always mean critical thinking, I think money gets a lot in the door now, obviously. I think some places they don't even have to be smart. I knew this rich girl who used to buy papers to get through a prestigious state university, this was the one you needed at least a 3.5 to just get in the door and she spent as much as 300 bucks to get a paper. Big money was for the ones written anew. People don't realize these techniques to get through school.
DeleteThat girl sounded like she was jealous. Creative writing degrees seem kind of weird to me, I guess you can learn some techniques, but then one can say that of art degrees. I feel like my art degree barely taught me anything, I did learn some lesson plans and had to use art centers and self-study to fill endless holes. I wonder if it is the same for creative writing degrees.
I don't know much about Taylor Smith [remember I'm old LOL] but sounds like an interesting essay. Yeah that's too bad that school didn't offer the class you needed, maybe she thought because you were in science you weren't creative which was a false judgement. I believe you about the professor, sounds cool. There's a history professor of mine that used to be on the History Channel all the time. I only had him for a couple gut history courses though one may have been an honors college one, the classes were too big and popular for him to remember me.
LOL she told you to suck it, needs some work on creative insults and blistering tell-offs. Smart kids are often hated, you are very intelligent, probably Mensa level I'm figuring, IQ at least 140 if not higher. Yeah if you did study that would have been amazing I'm sure. I wonder how I would have done in school at times, beyond the 3.45 GPA, if I had been actually allowed to study for finals etc, beyond the endless Cinderella house work/restaurant work and if I had a peaceful instead of chaotic household.
I wonder why Danny Elfman looks familiar to me, wonder if I saw music years ago before you introduced me to him. His music is entertaining to me. I did look up the song Native Intelligence but couldn't find the official videos just ones with one picture. The message is clear. Yeah why did the populace trust the experts even knowing about lobotomies? I mean WTH? Right. I'll admit I'm not a very trusting soul, probably only exception is marriage, but we were first loves, so less trouble in that area of life. Having a high spectrum Cluster B mother, there's no way, I was going to trust everything people tried to tell me.
I realized something really intense about myself with this Covid stuff, how my view of the world is so completely different from the "normies". I feel sorry for those who are trusting you know, I don't think "Oh those stupid dummies" though I may get frustrated and sure I said it a few times. I could get fooled in the future, and have in the past but this was something REALLY big to be tricked on wasn't it and the whole society all joined in the programming. It's weird being a non-trusting cynical eccentric probably saved my life from being killed by a clot shot and in my case I wouldn't have lasted a week if not a day.
Oh I am deaf, but can still hear some music with the little bit of hearing in one ear. I did get some mega loud headphones finally, OMG they are great. Powerful Sound by JVC. I am hearing music online I haven't heard in years.
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