Hi Peeps, Thought I would share this parable on the subject, written by Khalil Gibran. It's entitled, WAR. One night a feast was held in the palace, and there came a man and prostrated himself before the prince, all the feasters looked upon him; and they saw that one of his eyes was out and that the empty socket bled. And the prince inquired of him, "What has befallen you?" And the man replied, "Oh prince, I am by profession a thief, and this night, because there was no moon, I went to rob the money-changer's shop, and as I climbed in through the window I made a mistake snd entered the weaver's shop, and in the dark I ran into the weaver's loom and my eye was plucked out. And now, oh prince, I ask for justice upon the weaver." Then the prince sent for the weaver and he came, and it was decreed that one of his eyes should be plucked out. "Oh prince," said the weaver, "the decree is just. It is right that one of my eyes be taken. And yet, alas! both are necessary to me in order that I may see the two sides of the cloth that I weave. But I have a neighbor, a cobbler, who has also two eyes, and in his trade both eyes are not necessary." Then the prince sent for the cobbler. And he came. And they took out one of the cobbler's two eyes. And justice was satisfied.
Hi Peeps, Have been thinking about how these midterms went, and am just curious as to whether you would consider supporting a Ron Desantis/Tulsi Gabbard run?
DeSantis is good on Covid mandates but not much else. That's the problem. I think Roe determined the midterms only reason there was no "red wave". Inflation too, the "bootstraps" party didn't fare too well too as groceries and every other cost skyrocketed.
Lilac I’m having doubts he’s even good on that. I mean who allowed Bill Gates to unleash GMO mosquitos in Florida so that malaria is now back in the US? You know the idea was either to use terminator males who result in sterile offspring when they breed with the females, to reduce the mosquito population (which could be devastating for the ecosystem if it worked since male mosquitos pollinate all kinds of plants, though maybe they could fix that by just engineering more male mosquitos who don’t bite humans anyway) or to vaccinate people without their consent (but I don’t see how it could cause malaria if it doesn’t use the full malaria pathogen - maybe it could cause the symptoms though). I think maybe it’s a huge screw-up like when polio vaccines got contaminated with SV40; maybe these mosquitos were taken from a source where they are more likely to carry malaria and they failed to check for that or to remove all the malaria from them.
What are the "problem" issues of which you speak regarding DeSantis? And what do you think of Tulsi? I was going to ask you before what you thought of her in regards to the previous election, but figured it was both too late and you may have thought she didn't have enough "pull" to actually win. As for the red "trickle" and not a tide, I was surprised, but felt it also sent a clear message, that sitting on ones laurels and just being the "other" least bad choice is not good enough. There are many senators whose ideas I admire, but not much gets done in the end, and bad agendas that are complained about by them, still get voted through. Chelle
Republican stuff, basic cut social safety nets, there was something he signed off on too, trying to remember title of it but it had to do with vaxxes something you'd never he expect he would do. I think he is a wolf in sheep's clothing even on Covid. he did push them same as others saying they would save lives. Yeah I was surprised like you, I think the inflation and Roe and rest, people did not want the other bad choice. Sometimes with a lot of stress people will choose the devil they know instead of the one they don't. I noticed that too, always good ideas ignored and too many bad agendas get voted through. I feel like we don't have much of a choice anymore. Just two bad sides. I wrote on another post how voting was for me. Ugh. Tulsi I only know a little about, saw her picture on WEF website but some claim that was a mistake or she left.
Lilac I used to like Tulsi but she’s been sounding more and more like a Republican and even apparently coming out against Bernie Sanders type policies that she used to support. Maybe the Russiagaters were right about her.
I don't know much about Tulsi, a lot of populist type people seemed to like her. I was a big time Bernie Sanders supporter but see him as a betraying sheep dog for rolling over to DNC to get Biden elected, and also his silence in the face of Covid tyranny to me is too much of a betrayal.
One weird thing I keep hearing is RFK is a Republican in sheep's clothing. That's weird, I wish I could get this one person close to me away from DNC sponsored websites that come up with a lot of falsehoods. I don't trust any politicians, I think RFK will be pushed aside like Bernie, and is a "steam release" to keep us Covid questioners from having any influence on the direction the globalist creeps want to go.
Hi Peeps, I think "covid reponse" has been hugely telling, perhaps the biggest indicator to us in forever, of who our politicians really are, by making clear what they are actually willing to do, in a real-time crisis, based on whaChelle actually DID. I am a big believer in the old adage, "actions speak louder than words..." I am therefore surprised, especially given all we have talked about here, both covid and otherwise, that you view DeSantis as a "wolf in sheeps clothing". Tulsi is a for things like avoiding nuclear war, upholding the constitution, and a system of government made "by the people and for the people". She was never a member of the WEF. She was a congress woman for the state of Hawaii, however, an ex iraq veteran (still active, I believe) and a huge proponent of the first, second and fourth ammedments, as well as all of them. Chelle
This is why I view DeSantis as a wolf in sheep's clothing. At this point if someone is a politician of a high enough level I consider them "bought and sold". When I vote it's kind of like choosing which poison will harm me and others personally the least:
"Jun 21, 2021 #1 By Chris Nelson. June 21, 2021. A law signed by Florida Governor Ron DeSantis will allow for the Florida Department of Health to forcibly vaccinate Florida residents. S.B. 2006 was signed into law by DeSantis on May 3, 2021 and immediately hailed as a major victory by many medical freedom advocates. The law bans so-called "Vaccine Passports" and adds certain restrictions on state and local governments during a declared public health emergency. A little known and little spoken of section of the law, which will go into effect July 1, states: "The state health officer, upon declaration of a public health emergency, may take actions that are necessary to protect the public health." Some of these actions include: "Ordering an individual to be examined, tested, vaccinated, treated, isolated, or quarantined for communicable diseases that have a significant morbidity or mortality and present a severe danger to public health." Those refusing these actions "may be subjected to isolation or quarantine." The most disturbing part is a section beneath which reads, "If the individual poses a danger to the public health, the State Health Officer may subject the individual to isolation or quarantine, if there is no practical method to isolate or quarantine the individual, the State Health Officer may use ANY MEANS NECESSARY to vaccinate or treat the individual." In the mass frenzy to applaud Governor DeSantis for banning Vaccine Passports, this section of the law was paid little attention. While this exact wording already exists in 2018 Florida Statute 281.00315 (Read here: https://www.flsenate.gov/laws/statutes/2018/381.00315) it has further been strengthened by this new law. Bottom line, in a declared public health crisis you can be forcibly vaccinated in the State of Florida and Governor Ron DeSantis has added his stamp of approval to this policy. Read SB 2006 in its entirety here: https://www.flsenate.gov/Sessi…021/2006/BillText/er/HTML.
I'm open for looking at Tulsi more, glad she supports those admendments.
I think DeSantis could be elevated to presidency, he very like could be the candidate instead of Trump.
Hi Peeps, The manipulation of the facts by Chris Nelson is obvious, "A law signed by Florida Governor Ron DeSantis will allow for the for the Florida Department of Health to forcibly vaccinate Florida residants.." (sounds awful, doesn't it?) He further states, after laying the predicate that just as medical freedom activates were lauding its measures as a victory, that there is "a little known and little spoken of section of the law (watch out people, there's deception here) which will go into effect on July 1 (also misleading) states, "The State Health Officer, upon declaration of a public health emergency, may take actions that are necessary to protect public health. Some of these actions include..." (for economical purposes here Peeps, I will stipulate the rest of what he says as being factual. Just refer to what you have written) The problem is the slant he is putting on it (obviousely his aim is to discredit DeSantis) by conflating the (health laws) that were already on the books pre covid, and the SB 2006 he signed into law on May 3rd. And when he misleadingly claims that (they, said health laws) would "go into effect" on July 1st, as if they were part and parcel of his proposal, which they were not. Chelle, continuing ...
Chelle continuing ... So what we really have here is a Governor taking the "baby steps" necessary to get his much needed agenda for Floridians through, without seeking to change public health laws already in place all at once. But he didn't end his efforts there, he brought in a new Surgeon General for the state, Dr. Joseph Lapado, who is completely in line with his values and those of the people for personal choice on medical decisions. If you look on the Governor's official website, or google "Governor Ron DeSantis Signs Legislation to Protect Florida Jobs," you will see that this was signed after the other one on November 18, 2021, in Brandon, Florida. It includes the following ... 1) Private Employer Covid-19 vaccine mandates are prohibited. 2) Employers who violate the employee health protections will be fined ($10,000 - $50,000) 3)Government entities may not require covid-19 vaccination of anyone, including employees. 4)Educational Institutions may not require students to be Cov-19 vaccinated. 5)School Districts may not have school face mask policies. 6)School Districts may not quarentine healthy students. 7)School students may sue violating school districts and recover costs and attorney's fees. There's more, you can check out the particulars for yourself. I understand the thinking that many or all are "bought and paid for". In the end I guess one can only look to what they DID not just what they SAID or promised. In this case of Covid-19, I think he "not only talked the talk, but walked the walk," which is more than can be said for most. And as you know, I speak from a non-partisan point of view, having voted both Democrat and Republican. Chelle
I hope he stays steady, I don't trust a lot of politicians but honestly I wish there were more governors like DeSantis when it comes to Covid. There's been a huge influx to Florida for a reason. Some places here are still demanding vaxxes for jobs, even heard about one that wants remote people to take one, how stupid is that? People moved to Florida on PURPOSE for this issue. I understood. Some wonder about being in the streets if they take the Covid mandate too far. I've been poor and without anything before, but what about the people with families, houses, kids, I think they should still say no rather then enroll in the genocide, but these are incredible pressures on people. I did think Covid mandates were going to give us a red wave but then with inflation--people sinking under, Roe and other issues that's why it didn't happen.
Hi Peeps,
ReplyDeleteThought I would share this parable on the subject, written by Khalil Gibran. It's entitled, WAR.
One night a feast was held in the palace, and there came a man and prostrated himself before the prince, all the feasters looked upon him; and they saw that one of his eyes was out and that the empty socket bled. And the prince inquired of him, "What has befallen you?" And the man replied, "Oh prince, I am by profession a thief, and this night, because there was no moon, I went to rob the money-changer's shop, and as I climbed in through the window I made a mistake snd entered the weaver's shop, and in the dark I ran into the weaver's loom and my eye was plucked out. And now, oh prince, I ask for justice upon the weaver."
Then the prince sent for the weaver and he came, and it was decreed that one of his eyes should be plucked out.
"Oh prince," said the weaver, "the decree is just. It is right that one of my eyes be taken. And yet, alas! both are necessary to me in order that I may see the two sides of the cloth that I weave. But I have a neighbor, a cobbler, who has also two eyes, and in his trade both eyes are not necessary."
Then the prince sent for the cobbler. And he came. And they took out one of the cobbler's two eyes.
And justice was satisfied.
Hi Peeps,
ReplyDeleteHave been thinking about how these midterms went, and am just curious as to whether you would consider supporting a Ron Desantis/Tulsi Gabbard run?
DeSantis is good on Covid mandates but not much else. That's the problem. I think Roe determined the midterms only reason there was no "red wave". Inflation too, the "bootstraps" party didn't fare too well too as groceries and every other cost skyrocketed.
DeleteLilac
DeleteI’m having doubts he’s even good on that.
I mean who allowed Bill Gates to unleash GMO mosquitos in Florida so that malaria is now back in the US?
You know the idea was either to use terminator males who result in sterile offspring when they breed with the females, to reduce the mosquito population (which could be devastating for the ecosystem if it worked since male mosquitos pollinate all kinds of plants, though maybe they could fix that by just engineering more male mosquitos who don’t bite humans anyway) or to vaccinate people without their consent (but I don’t see how it could cause malaria if it doesn’t use the full malaria pathogen - maybe it could cause the symptoms though). I think maybe it’s a huge screw-up like when polio vaccines got contaminated with SV40; maybe these mosquitos were taken from a source where they are more likely to carry malaria and they failed to check for that or to remove all the malaria from them.
What are the "problem" issues of which you speak regarding DeSantis? And what do you think of Tulsi? I was going to ask you before what you thought of her in regards to the previous election, but figured it was both too late and you may have thought she didn't have enough "pull" to actually win.
ReplyDeleteAs for the red "trickle" and not a tide, I was surprised, but felt it also sent a clear message, that sitting on ones laurels and just being the "other" least bad choice is not good enough. There are many senators whose ideas I admire, but not much gets done in the end, and bad agendas that are complained about by them, still get voted through.
Chelle
Republican stuff, basic cut social safety nets, there was something he signed off on too, trying to remember title of it but it had to do with vaxxes something you'd never he expect he would do. I think he is a wolf in sheep's clothing even on Covid. he did push them same as others saying they would save lives. Yeah I was surprised like you, I think the inflation and Roe and rest, people did not want the other bad choice. Sometimes with a lot of stress people will choose the devil they know instead of the one they don't. I noticed that too, always good ideas ignored and too many bad agendas get voted through. I feel like we don't have much of a choice anymore. Just two bad sides. I wrote on another post how voting was for me. Ugh. Tulsi I only know a little about, saw her picture on WEF website but some claim that was a mistake or she left.
DeleteLilac
DeleteI used to like Tulsi but she’s been sounding more and more like a Republican and even apparently coming out against Bernie Sanders type policies that she used to support. Maybe the Russiagaters were right about her.
I don't know much about Tulsi, a lot of populist type people seemed to like her. I was a big time Bernie Sanders supporter but see him as a betraying sheep dog for rolling over to DNC to get Biden elected, and also his silence in the face of Covid tyranny to me is too much of a betrayal.
DeleteOne weird thing I keep hearing is RFK is a Republican in sheep's clothing. That's weird, I wish I could get this one person close to me away from DNC sponsored websites that come up with a lot of falsehoods. I don't trust any politicians, I think RFK will be pushed aside like Bernie, and is a "steam release" to keep us Covid questioners from having any influence on the direction the globalist creeps want to go.
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ReplyDeleteHi Peeps,
ReplyDeleteI think "covid reponse" has been hugely telling, perhaps the biggest indicator to us in forever, of who our politicians really are, by making clear what they are actually willing to do, in a real-time crisis, based on whaChelle actually DID. I am a big believer in the old adage, "actions speak louder than words..." I am therefore surprised, especially given all we have talked about here, both covid and otherwise, that you view DeSantis as a "wolf in sheeps clothing".
Tulsi is a for things like avoiding nuclear war, upholding the constitution, and a system of government made "by the people and for the people". She was never a member of the WEF. She was a congress woman for the state of Hawaii, however, an ex iraq veteran (still active, I believe) and a huge proponent of the first, second and fourth ammedments, as well as all of them.
Chelle
This is why I view DeSantis as a wolf in sheep's clothing. At this point if someone is a politician of a high enough level I consider them "bought and sold". When I vote it's kind of like choosing which poison will harm me and others personally the least:
Delete"Jun 21, 2021
#1
By Chris Nelson. June 21, 2021. A law signed by Florida Governor Ron DeSantis will allow for the Florida Department of Health to forcibly vaccinate Florida residents. S.B. 2006 was signed into law by DeSantis on May 3, 2021 and immediately hailed as a major victory by many medical freedom advocates. The law bans so-called "Vaccine Passports" and adds certain restrictions on state and local governments during a declared public health emergency. A little known and little spoken of section of the law, which will go into effect July 1, states: "The state health officer, upon declaration of a public health emergency, may take actions that are necessary to protect the public health." Some of these actions include: "Ordering an individual to be examined, tested, vaccinated, treated, isolated, or quarantined for communicable diseases that have a significant morbidity or mortality and present a severe danger to public health." Those refusing these actions "may be subjected to isolation or quarantine." The most disturbing part is a section beneath which reads, "If the individual poses a danger to the public health, the State Health Officer may subject the individual to isolation or quarantine, if there is no practical method to isolate or quarantine the individual, the State Health Officer may use ANY MEANS NECESSARY to vaccinate or treat the individual." In the mass frenzy to applaud Governor DeSantis for banning Vaccine Passports, this section of the law was paid little attention. While this exact wording already exists in 2018 Florida Statute 281.00315 (Read here: https://www.flsenate.gov/laws/statutes/2018/381.00315) it has further been strengthened by this new law. Bottom line, in a declared public health crisis you can be forcibly vaccinated in the State of Florida and Governor Ron DeSantis has added his stamp of approval to this policy. Read SB 2006 in its entirety here: https://www.flsenate.gov/Sessi…021/2006/BillText/er/HTML.
I'm open for looking at Tulsi more, glad she supports those admendments.
I think DeSantis could be elevated to presidency, he very like could be the candidate instead of Trump.
Hi Peeps,
ReplyDeleteThe manipulation of the facts by Chris Nelson is obvious, "A law signed by Florida Governor Ron DeSantis will allow for the for the Florida Department of Health to forcibly vaccinate Florida residants.." (sounds awful, doesn't it?) He further states, after laying the predicate that just as medical freedom activates were lauding its measures as a victory, that there is "a little known and little spoken of section of the law (watch out people, there's deception here) which will go into effect on July 1 (also misleading) states, "The State Health Officer, upon declaration of a public health emergency, may take actions that are necessary to protect public health. Some of these actions include..." (for economical purposes here Peeps, I will stipulate the rest of what he says as being factual. Just refer to what you have written)
The problem is the slant he is putting on it (obviousely his aim is to discredit DeSantis) by conflating the (health laws) that were already on the books pre covid, and the SB 2006 he signed into law on May 3rd. And when he misleadingly claims that (they, said health laws) would "go into effect" on July 1st, as if they were part and parcel of his proposal, which they were not.
Chelle, continuing ...
Chelle continuing ...
ReplyDeleteSo what we really have here is a Governor taking the "baby steps" necessary to get his much needed agenda for Floridians through, without seeking to change public health laws already in place all at once. But he didn't end his efforts there, he brought in a new Surgeon General for the state, Dr. Joseph Lapado, who is completely in line with his values and those of the people for personal choice on medical decisions.
If you look on the Governor's official website, or google "Governor Ron DeSantis Signs Legislation to Protect Florida Jobs," you will see that this was signed after the other one on November 18, 2021, in Brandon, Florida. It includes the following ...
1) Private Employer Covid-19 vaccine mandates are prohibited.
2) Employers who violate the employee health protections will be fined ($10,000 - $50,000)
3)Government entities may not require covid-19 vaccination of anyone, including employees.
4)Educational Institutions may not require students to be Cov-19
vaccinated.
5)School Districts may not have school face mask policies.
6)School Districts may not quarentine healthy students.
7)School students may sue violating school districts and recover costs and attorney's fees.
There's more, you can check out the particulars for yourself. I understand the thinking that many or all are "bought and paid for". In the end I guess one can only look to what they DID not just what they SAID or promised. In this case of Covid-19, I think he "not only talked the talk, but walked the walk," which is more than can be said for most. And as you know, I speak from a non-partisan point of view, having voted both Democrat and Republican.
Chelle
I hope he stays steady, I don't trust a lot of politicians but honestly I wish there were more governors like DeSantis when it comes to Covid. There's been a huge influx to Florida for a reason. Some places here are still demanding vaxxes for jobs, even heard about one that wants remote people to take one, how stupid is that? People moved to Florida on PURPOSE for this issue. I understood. Some wonder about being in the streets if they take the Covid mandate too far. I've been poor and without anything before, but what about the people with families, houses, kids, I think they should still say no rather then enroll in the genocide, but these are incredible pressures on people. I did think Covid mandates were going to give us a red wave but then with inflation--people sinking under, Roe and other issues that's why it didn't happen.
Delete