Everyone's heard about Charlie Kirk's murder now. I found it horrifying, and sad, I saw a video of him getting shot, it was very graphic.
I only knew a little about Charlie Kirk and had read Turning Point a few times, but he seemed to be a sincere guy. I agreed with him on some matters and not others. His view of empathy is insane, but sadly that made the rounds around the right wing where they see "empathy" as a bad thing. Do they see it as weakness? He supported Zionism and other political views I don't agree with. Some liberals have said he is a Christian Nationalist, and I don't agree with Dominionism. I agreed with him on the Second Amendment, free speech and some aspects of the trans movement. Sadly, America has now entered a time and place where violence is now seen as the answer against freedom of speech and disagreeing on political matters.
When I went on my social media yesterday, several liberal friends seemed to be celebrating the death of this young father. It troubled me and gave me a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach. The internet is full of liberal young people expressing feelings that they are glad he died and that's a very bad sign. Where is this country going to go, if people think it's a good thing someone should be killed over sincere political beliefs? Kirk was a Christian [7th Day Adventist] and held many conservative views. He was questioning some things recently including Israel and even addressed income inequality.
Do I agree with him about Trump, no, but I am glad he showed concern for the young people who are facing ruined economic futures.
In my regular life, I am avoiding politics for peace. I lost too many friends. Someone was upset that I didn't know who Stephen Miller was, I looked him up. Avoiding the news has helped my mental health but obviously one finds out news just going online.,
My husband is still a Democrat and liberal, I'm not. I have very Republican and Christian friends some from my first evangelical church and other places to very liberal friends. I have friends who are like me, I suppose we are called the "black-pilled" who reject both parties or are into conspiracy. Some of my closest friends are Republicans or reject both parties like me. I don't support either of the two main teams. As I have written here before, I agree with conservatives on many issues, and agree with liberals on some issues.
He did believe in free speech from what I could tell. Have you been noticing there's so many intense events happening, they are coming at us so fast who can keep up? There was more discussion about the Covid shots and what they have done, and Epstein, and so there's a lot of distractions to be produced by the powers that be.
Years ago, as a conspiracy theorist, on message boards, we openly discussed that the elites were setting aside America and were going to collapse the American empire and change the chessboard. It's weird to see stuff happening that was discussed years ago on conspiracy boards. One topic that was explored was the collapse of America into a Civil War. It is a danger.
Very few question how everyone is at each other's throats now in this country. Remember the 1 percent benefits as they got everyone fighting and not taking a look at them as they pick everyone's pockets and ruin our lives with pandemics and wars. Americans can't afford their bills, food, rent or mortgages anymore, and it's easier to impoverish and destroy a population while they got them fighting each other. There are people calling for a left/right show-down but they don't realize they are playing into the elite's hands. What happens if America does split up?
Many people are angry at the opposite side. I have my own anger to deal with. My disappointment and sadness over what people have chosen, and embraced, has taken a toll. I left a church even over what I considered degenerate leftist false politics, that came at a cost. Covid was the cleaver that came down and sliced me from the left. Some people try to tell me, "It's over, you still live in 2020!" but all I know is they still got those mRNA vaccines out there, still being financed, and Thiel and Palantir played Covid roles too. What one does with emotions is what is important. Sadly many people's emotions are being steered to the worse. How many of us over these last years have seen people fighting like cats and dogs over politics as life quality disintegrates and many real issues get thrown overboard? If they are going to start murdering people in the streets over political views, we have entered a new horrific era.
This definitely can be used for more crackdowns. They basically now have ruined open political speech at universities.
In my regular life, I am avoiding politics for peace. I lost too many friends. Someone was upset that I didn't know who Stephen Miller was, I looked him up. Avoiding the news has helped my mental health but obviously one finds out news just going online.,
My husband is still a Democrat and liberal, I'm not. I have very Republican and Christian friends some from my first evangelical church and other places to very liberal friends. I have friends who are like me, I suppose we are called the "black-pilled" who reject both parties or are into conspiracy. Some of my closest friends are Republicans or reject both parties like me. I don't support either of the two main teams. As I have written here before, I agree with conservatives on many issues, and agree with liberals on some issues.
He did believe in free speech from what I could tell. Have you been noticing there's so many intense events happening, they are coming at us so fast who can keep up? There was more discussion about the Covid shots and what they have done, and Epstein, and so there's a lot of distractions to be produced by the powers that be.
Years ago, as a conspiracy theorist, on message boards, we openly discussed that the elites were setting aside America and were going to collapse the American empire and change the chessboard. It's weird to see stuff happening that was discussed years ago on conspiracy boards. One topic that was explored was the collapse of America into a Civil War. It is a danger.
Very few question how everyone is at each other's throats now in this country. Remember the 1 percent benefits as they got everyone fighting and not taking a look at them as they pick everyone's pockets and ruin our lives with pandemics and wars. Americans can't afford their bills, food, rent or mortgages anymore, and it's easier to impoverish and destroy a population while they got them fighting each other. There are people calling for a left/right show-down but they don't realize they are playing into the elite's hands. What happens if America does split up?
Many people are angry at the opposite side. I have my own anger to deal with. My disappointment and sadness over what people have chosen, and embraced, has taken a toll. I left a church even over what I considered degenerate leftist false politics, that came at a cost. Covid was the cleaver that came down and sliced me from the left. Some people try to tell me, "It's over, you still live in 2020!" but all I know is they still got those mRNA vaccines out there, still being financed, and Thiel and Palantir played Covid roles too. What one does with emotions is what is important. Sadly many people's emotions are being steered to the worse. How many of us over these last years have seen people fighting like cats and dogs over politics as life quality disintegrates and many real issues get thrown overboard? If they are going to start murdering people in the streets over political views, we have entered a new horrific era.
This definitely can be used for more crackdowns. They basically now have ruined open political speech at universities.
Pick a side is almost like a hammer taken to the person's head who looks at both sides and says "You're both wrong!". The left betrayed pushing clot shots, and the right has betrayed over some issues. Both have betrayed the poor and working class. Some of us have horror seeing everyone at each other's throats and that seems to get amped up year by year. This latest event is horrific as it is will bring more divide and conquer tactics. People seem to be forgetting the humanity of other human beings. Everything is based on a political litmus test. People are banned and censored all over.
Some years ago I noticed one couldn't speak as freely as we were able. People could disagree and stay friends. Politicians didn't seem to have so much control over everyone's mind and personal lives. We even said things like, "They are all damn crooks!" with a shake of our heads. And that was allowed. People admitted the ultra-powerful often lied or consolidated power for their own uses.
Some years ago I noticed one couldn't speak as freely as we were able. People could disagree and stay friends. Politicians didn't seem to have so much control over everyone's mind and personal lives. We even said things like, "They are all damn crooks!" with a shake of our heads. And that was allowed. People admitted the ultra-powerful often lied or consolidated power for their own uses.
Now we see a world where people are cheering the death of a young man who had views they disagreed with. The left scares me, I have felt fear around some of them since Covid. I am an "evil anti-vaxxer" to many of them, questioning trans alone, can bring threats in many circles, especially as some go after what they call "terfs". Identity politics went the way of Maoist politics in China, say the wrong thing and you became a "non-person" to be cancelled. There was nothing classically liberal about any of it.
I have noticed free speech is not honored in many leftist circles, and I almost want to throw up at the hypocrisy of people going on about fascism, when they wanted to put me in a concentration camp for refusing an experimental medical product. The right scares me too, double-talk, imposed religion, not much mercy for disabled or poor people, law and order, and often police state solutions. Rounding up people based on looks alone and sending them to foreign black box prisons is a very bad development.
Very few are poking their head out of the sand and noticing our government is scary now and does not seem to have any care about the well-being of the American people. Look at this way, I believed they committed democide via Covid, do I think these top people have good intentions towards me? Nope. There are ordinary government workers, like the postman, Social security etc., who serve others, but the elites don't care about me, and they don't care about you either. Life is getting so economically hard, now many are openly warning of full collapse. We are going into totalitarianism, and the divide and conquer formulas repeat themselves.
There's a reason that the National Guard has been dispersed in major cities throughout the country, I told others, ICE and crime are just the cover story. It seems to me they do expect chaos or an event of some sort. Some have warned of collapse or a financial reset. Will we see worsening political violence? One thing people need to do is stop letting them steer you. Know it's a very bad day when people praise violence for someone who politically disagrees with them. This country is going to a very scary place.
Update to this one, I still stand by the above and believe it is a Divide and Conquer enterprise, but I had a very liberal friend post that Charlie Kirk said children should watch public executions. I was in shock, that can't be real. Did he say it? Newsweek says he did in 2024. What is wrong with this world?
Another update: I went to watch Kirk speeches here and there, and noticed in endless articles words would be taken out of context or parts minimized. Our news is really messed up now. Written with such a bias. Sometimes they simply misreported what he said.
I have noticed free speech is not honored in many leftist circles, and I almost want to throw up at the hypocrisy of people going on about fascism, when they wanted to put me in a concentration camp for refusing an experimental medical product. The right scares me too, double-talk, imposed religion, not much mercy for disabled or poor people, law and order, and often police state solutions. Rounding up people based on looks alone and sending them to foreign black box prisons is a very bad development.
Very few are poking their head out of the sand and noticing our government is scary now and does not seem to have any care about the well-being of the American people. Look at this way, I believed they committed democide via Covid, do I think these top people have good intentions towards me? Nope. There are ordinary government workers, like the postman, Social security etc., who serve others, but the elites don't care about me, and they don't care about you either. Life is getting so economically hard, now many are openly warning of full collapse. We are going into totalitarianism, and the divide and conquer formulas repeat themselves.
There's a reason that the National Guard has been dispersed in major cities throughout the country, I told others, ICE and crime are just the cover story. It seems to me they do expect chaos or an event of some sort. Some have warned of collapse or a financial reset. Will we see worsening political violence? One thing people need to do is stop letting them steer you. Know it's a very bad day when people praise violence for someone who politically disagrees with them. This country is going to a very scary place.
Update to this one, I still stand by the above and believe it is a Divide and Conquer enterprise, but I had a very liberal friend post that Charlie Kirk said children should watch public executions. I was in shock, that can't be real. Did he say it? Newsweek says he did in 2024. What is wrong with this world?
Another update: I went to watch Kirk speeches here and there, and noticed in endless articles words would be taken out of context or parts minimized. Our news is really messed up now. Written with such a bias. Sometimes they simply misreported what he said.
Read these collected sayings of Chairman Chucky, and then explain why anyone should mourn him -- not the horrible way he died, but for the crap he routinely dished out to others:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/11/charlie-kirk-quotes-beliefs
Do you know Stephen King had to apologize for saying that Charlie Kirk said gays should be stoned to death, I guess it was taken out of context but then I looked up the kids should watch public executions thing and it seemed legit. Some of his stuff is offensive to the max, no doubt of that, man should NOT have been murdered though. I do get cynical thoughts you know, that all our pundits are controlled opposition just outraging the populace for elite control. They all seem to go the same extreme direction. With Kirk, he said a FEW things I agreed with about the economy, etc, but why go so extreme on others like the death penalty and in this list saying racist stuff. He could question CRT for instance without insulting black pilots and retail workers. The Dominionism is appalling of course.
DeleteRemember we need to go to the source to see what was said, he did a lot of debates, I have already seen some that look misquoted or taken out of context, so we need to face-check all this stuff. This doesn't mean we agree with everything he said, but at least need to make sure he said it.
DeleteIf you want to see the real world impacts of this kind of sordid demagoguery masquerading as some kind of noble crusade -- then I'd point you to a devastating survey that's come out in Florida, where a third of its professors plan to take their talent elsewhere, as soon as the opportunity arises:
ReplyDeletehttps://floridaphoenix.com/2025/09/05/nearly-a-third-of-florida-professors-looking-for-work-in-another-state/
My guess is that Floridians will pay a high price for all this MAGA Maoism -- because, at some point, you'll need your best and brightest when some kind of catastrophe arises, and they won't feel like bailing you out. The Trump world model of the heart surgeon running the housing department won't offer any significant relief when some catastrophe or other comes down.
Bottom line here is that Charlie Kirk didn't contribute anything of value or substance to the world. He didn't cure a disease, build a better technical mousetrap, or write a book that's still widely dissected and admired. He chose to make the world a crappier place, and line his pockets, which calls to mind the ending from Fargo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1vvLTfWgC8
Beyond that -- the bigger question that this guy's death raises -- if this is really not "who are we," as the pollsters and pundits solemnly insist, then how is it that somebody like this was able to turn permanent grievance into a lucrative business? If that's not we are, it's apparently what we've allowed ourselves to become. --Mr. Peep
I think when they control speech in academic settings it's sucks, looks like the right does some of that but of course the left has done it too. You know America is going crazy when every belief is getting shut down. It scares me because we are already now at the place where there will be no open discourse. I've talked to you about how this has happened on the left and even in the UU how people were driven out for different opinions and all the censorship over Covid. I got banned from so many places and I lost track, I wasn't insulting anyone either. I don't like when right wing does speech rules either though.
DeleteI do question the world of pundits that whip everyone up. Kirk I think was more mild than other ones, I've seen like Ben Shaprio and the late Rush Limbaugh--sheesh didn't Rush Limbaugh start this whole gig of them all, say outrageous thing and grab the listening ears and make tons of money. Intellectual, calm, rational people don't get as much attention. Kirk did seem to have discussions with others, I'll give him that, though I only know and have seen very little of him. But yeah why do we have all these pundits and why are all of them on the extreme side of the equation [for both sides though I do think right wing ones are more numerous]
He did seem to have a nice family and some people on X said they had been friends with him, I mean as a person we don't really know much of him. Maybe some of these people get caught in the pundit world and then even make their views more extreme to get listeners, I'm not sure.
They do allow certain people into the spotlight. I even wondered if they shut him down over questioning the economy, since that is a huge no-no for the elite, or Israel? Maybe he was changing his mind on stuff we don't know.
You never will someone hit big notoriety who questions the elite to a certain point, the connected often make it to the top, if you say the wrong things, they don't like it.
Politics as entertainment was a very bad idea from the start. Probably in the afterworld, maybe Kirk regrets being part of it, it's hard to know. Remember when I said they were going to do what they could to dismantle freedom of speech. It worries me.
If he regrets it -- I'm afraid it's a bit late. But remember, he wasn't selling you "Cheeky Chucky, the nice guy," it was, "Cranky Chucky, the Extreme Culture Warrior." His public statements seem like more than performance art -- again, when you yap about "prowling blacks," you forfeit whatever moral authority you claimed in the first place.
DeleteAnd again, recruiting other people to harass and threaten -- that's called stochastic terrorism, which isn't free speech. You're doing it to prevent others from exercising their rights. It's the equivalent of the Joker taunting Batman in the episode where he's trying to corrupt the local youth, as Batman tries to question him about his involvement -- and he sneers, "Ah, but do you have any fingerprints? Any evidence?" Batman hisses, in visible frustration, "You're too smart for that!"
Because, like his green-haired counterpart, Cheeky Chucky can (on the surface) reasonably deny his involvement with such things, but that doesn't make it right. I'm sure that professor got the shock of her life, when all these emails came in flooding her inbox -- in which she was called the c-word, the N-word, and just about everything in between. And that was before all the death threats! Would 500 Pound Peep enjoy being on the receiving end of that? I think not.
Trying to put a lid on those excesses is not censorship -- it's protecting all of us, so that only the brownshirts end up being allowed to exercise their rights. See Karl Popper's cartoon, "The Paradox Of Tolerance," for further reference.
We do not have to hand over the keys to those who seek to dismantle the rights that we're used to having -- or have taken too long granted, for take your pick. --Mr. Peep
These comments posted on LGBTQ Fresno pretty well sum it up for me:
DeleteThe best thing that his cadre of clean-cut zealots can do right now is to f@ck off, and leave us alone! Or at least, stay quiet for more than a millisecond, if they can manage it. And maybe then, we could all get some sleep. --Mr. Peep