I have made the decision to speak out online, about Covid, the vaccines, and the loss of freedom. It is the level of risk I can handle. Real life, though? I am keeping my mouth shut. I'm not talking about any of this with anyone now. My cards are being held close to the vest.
I have enough enemies. I need to keep things friendly as I can even for sheer survival. Think about this, I am a woman in America, supposedly the land of the free, having thoughts like this, where I have to be careful of what I say to people. This place has devolved down to a level. Freedom is gone. We have to worry about not following the status quo. Whatever happened to freedom of choice? People can weigh their risks and make their own medical personal decisions. What scares me is the censorship and what people aren't being told.
One thing I hate is not being believed, when people claim I am lying about people I know getting sick. That's one thing many people who have faced side effects from the vaccines have faced is being invalidated and told they are liars, or exaggerating or "it's all anxiety". I couldn't breathe right for years and until I had a proper COPD medicine, my anxiety was far worse. One of my commenter is right about this being just like Narcissistic family dynamics, reality is suspended for the narcissist's narrative. Anyone speaking out is silenced, maligned, called names and told to shut up.
Some things I find objectionable is when people invalidate my concerns, call me a liar, and also apply labels that are not accurate like "anti-vaxxer". I fully support all traditional vaccines, and have taken them myself, including a flu and tetanus shot last year. Having people scream "anti-vaxxer" at me pissed me off. I also have surmised today that unless you are a bootlicker to the man, that now today you are a "conspiracy theorist". I guess Ralph Nader was one when he called out malfeasance of various corporations.
What is scary is when people have bought so much into a world view is when they minimize a person, don't listen and treat them automatically like an "other". What is scary here, is Bruce Gerencser is an online person I formerly respected who tried to shut me down. I loved his blog, I spread it's link all over. I credit him with helping me see the light as I was caught up in the cult of extreme fundamentalist Christianity and more specifically being with the Independent Fundamentalist Baptists. I shared his blog and it's writings with the deconversion community.
When someone is rude to me like this, it hurts. I had polite conversations with him all these last years, but this brush-off, well it sucked. I was hoping he would at least listen. It is ironic to me he is complaining about blurry vision in a recent post. I don't know if it is autoimmune or not, but one thing all the people are talking about with Covid vaccine side effects are effects on the vision. It seems to me a man who shared many chronic health problems, would understand someone like me who doesn't want to sign up for more, or take the risk of an experimental vaccine. As I have said on other articles here, my utter disgust at the sheer ableism, and level of coercion is appalling me. WHY AREN'T MEDICAL EXEMPTIONS ALLOWED?
I don't like people assuming I am being "scared to death" and talking down to me like I am a child who doesn't know anything. My risks are greater, I have also had intense medical trauma during my life. You think all those asthma attacks or smelling my own flesh rotting during a bout of sepsis had no affect?. Here's one none of you never heard about. When I was in the hospital for one of my sepsis infections, they were having difficulty getting an IV into me and they struck an artery, and when they did, the blood shot up like fountain and hit the ceiling. The medical world for me is not being coddled in a hospital bed. My years of misdiagnosis and suffering has not led me to the blind obedience and trust I now see in so many for the medical world.
I have seen and heard things many have not. Remember I am the woman who gained 400lbs in 28 months and had her life destroyed. I spent years researching rare diseases, autoimmune issues, etc, just to say alive. No, I am not a doctor, but I know enough to find some real scientists and doctors who disagree with all this too. My medical knowledge is far higher then most laymen. I have helped people get diagnosed with rare disorders, it's happened SEVERAL times in my life. All the evidence with the Covid vaccines adversely affecting those with autoimmune disorders is very high.
What in the hell happened to the left? They have grown fascist as hell in a very short period of time. I worried about uber "woke" people who wanted to do ideological tests on people a long time ago, but this has kicked things up to a new level. I support a lot of "woke" causes but when people do ideological tests or commandeer speech, I don't like it. This was the totalitarian side of Communism in Maoist China.
I feel like a sucker now as I was a Trump resister, I got out in the streets literally of a conservative town and shouted and warned people about Trump. I even had a poster warning of Trump's fascism. I still can't stand Trump and the GOP is advancing voter repression and other bad agendas but what a sucker I was. I warned about the Dominionists too. Now there's far more to fear from the left. I rue the day I voted for Biden. I am embarrassed about the article I wrote telling people to vote for Biden despite my reservations.
I've never seen anything like this with the level of fascism on the left, where no questioning of the establishment, especially the medical establishment. They want to take away our bodily autonomy. The brainwashing is thick. This pandemic has shut so many minds down over sheer fear. We had our personal lives radically changed and altered and no one wants to ask any questions? Why? What kind of society wants to force an experimental vaccine on people, not even allowing some who may want to wait to see if it is approved? Even more sick is the risks they are taking with children and young people when they have little to no risk with Covid!
There seems to be no end in sight either. I am seeing mainstream news articles about how they want to force the Covid vaccines on people and make them "mandatory". I guess at that point I will sell everything and move to the most "free" remote red area I can find. As people sneer about conspiracy theorists, who were the people warning about the Fema camps 20 years ago? Some liberals sure seem eager to make that a reality!
Since I believe in my case I would die, and also have other beliefs pertaining to the vaccines where I do not want genetic engineering [not a conspiracy this article even admits it], this makes this issue pertinent. They are openly dividing society between the vaccinated and unvaccinated. Divide and conquer. All my friends got vaccinated except for very few too. That's hard. I'll be friends with them and allow them their own personal medical decisions though I may worry for them but what about my side of things? How many will dump me for refusing to comply or for asking too many questions?
I regret my own being suckered into the political divisions of last year. Yeah I'm united with some on the right now who still care about freedom and not being made slaves to the state and putting millions of people's lives at risk with an experimental vaccine. I feel like I died and woke up in some crazy world that is hell. What is even worse is the people who find this all acceptable and ask no questions. Critical thinking is dead in America and all the investigative journalists have been silenced outside of indy media. I guess to have a thought in one's head that goes against megacorporations and almighty Fauci makes one "crazy". Should personal medical care decisions have ideological tests applied? Hell no.
I had empathy for Bruce's mother in law getting sick from a fundamentalist church that refused to take precautions, people here read my MULTIPLE articles about my anger at those who spread Covid. I know GREY is hard to understand nowadays, I still believe the virus is REAL, even if the PCR tests may have drummed up some false positives, something was killing people and putting their respiratory systems in distress, especially older people.
Here was the exchange in question:
https://brucegerencser.net/2021/05/my-wifes-mother-has-covid-19-and-her-ifb-church-is-to-blame/#comments
FIVEHUNDREDPOUNDPEEP
MAY 10, 2021 AT 12:05 PMREPLY
I wrote of my concern about the Covid vaccines on your other article, but I think it’s awful how these churches spread the Covid around too. In fact one person I know how got Covid got it from church and there was a group of 7 she said who got it, and one did end up in the hospital. They were meeting and I don’t believe wore masks either.
Most right wing churches are open and have been for months. I feel upset, lately feeling like life has been ruined by Covid and now the covid vaccines have so many bad side effects and know too many suffering in that world. I am angry at the evangelical world for helping to turn the virus endemic, but now feel like I am out of sorts on the left, which is not taking serious all the terrible side effects from the Covid vaccines. I know too many people who have had very bad things happen. I saw censorship of people who had terrible Covid vaccine side effects for myself. So feel damned if I do on both sides. Why are liberals now trusting big Pharm and the system so much? I have a history of severe autoimmune disease and anaphylaxis and do not want a vaccine passport dictatorship either.
I wear KN95 masks when I am out.
BJW
MAY 10, 2021 AT 1:36 PMREPLY
I understand you’re upset. By the way, I have had fibromyalgia and Hashimoto’s disease for a long time, and I got vaccinated with the J&J vaccine. And I’m fine. Quit listening to anti-vaxxers scaring you to death over the vaccines. Any possible vaccine injuries or deaths are far, far less than the risk of Covid-19. Do I trust big corporations? No, but if there are serious side effects in enough numbers, they will make less money. Seriously, they are motivated to make money and killing people won’t make them money.
FIVEHUNDREDPOUNDPEEP
MAY 10, 2021 AT 9:21 PMREPLY
I didn’t need anti-vaxxers to scare me. In fact when I looked up the Covid vaccines, I was trying to choose which one and to see if they were safe for someone with extreme autoimmune disorders and history of anaphylaxis.
I found out foreign countries said they were not for anyone with a history of anaphylaxis and don’t know why the USA didn’t follow that logic. I also know perfectly healthy people who were bedridden for a week-two [people I knew on Zoom and visited with every week] who felt “burning inside”, extreme headaches and pain. I know the two who had neuropathy personally and a friend had a family member get seizures, they have no reason to lie. Add to this all the even young people talking about messed up periods, heart problems, fast heart beats etc, it was ordinary normal people online not anti-vaxxers. I saw them censoring people everywhere too about side effects. it scares me too that one can’t even question the vaccines almost like they are a religion and we are to trust in Pfizer like Christ or something. Johnson and Johnson had the baby powder debacle.
I am in shock that people trust them so readily, it doesn’t take much looking to see the bad side effects. I posted this to someone else but take a look for yourself. Other vaccines were safe except RARE events, gave immunity and stopped transmission, these vaccines are poor quality and don’t even give immunity or stop transmission. You ever wonder why they want to give this stuff to kids and teens who are at little to no risk from Covid? [remember these Covid vaccines don’t give immunity or stop anyone from spreading it]
https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data
SAGE
MAY 10, 2021 AT 9:24 PMREPLY
Take your hearsy data elsewhere:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/qjpmp7/anti-vaxxers-misuse-federal-data-to-falsely-claim-covid-vaccines-are-dangerous
BJW
MAY 10, 2021 AT 10:07 PM
Yeah. This person is freaking out over anecdotes, people who are pinning every bad feeling they have on the Covid-19 vaccine. Very suggestible.
FIVEHUNDREDPOUNDPEEP
MAY 11, 2021 AT 10:10 AM
https://old.reddit.com/r/NoNewNormal/comments/n9xp3p/stop_with_the_crazy_conspiracy_theories_the/
Yeah I guess this is all heresay too, all these people dying including ones in carehomes, nurses, doctors, etc.
Read those links, it’s all over the internet.
I guess you two don’t check into anything.
Weird you’d think people who deconverted from a fundamentalist religion would be careful of being brainwashed in any other area.
Those vaccines are dangerous, not the good proven ones but the covid mRNA experimental vaccines. Don’t get me started on the ableism too inherent in people who refuse to admit there should be any medical or other exemptions.
I hate seeing people being ignored and called liars.
FIVEHUNDREDPOUNDPEEP
MAY 11, 2021 AT 10:22 AM
https://i.redd.it/tk1079s5khy61.png
It’s like a religion isn’t it, you consider every person discussing side effects from experimental vaccines, a liar right?
Just like they treat people in fundamentalist Christianity. I am a “heretic” for daring to question any of it, aren’t I?
Just wait because of the stupidity in liberalism now, the country is going to flip so red, Handmaid’s Tale probably will be our new reality.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9111311/Portuguese-health-worker-41-dies-two-days-getting-Pfizer-covid-vaccine.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20210326012602/https://www.ksnt.com/capitol-bureau/kansas-womans-death-after-covid-19-vaccination-raises-safety-concerns-state-health-officials-weigh-in/
https://i.ibb.co/yf0jKPR/vedr65e9bku61-1.jpg
https://abc7.com/johnson-covid-teen-vaccine/10537228/
https://i.ibb.co/xJkQYzz/asd.jpg
Have many more links then just those. I also don’t appreciate being called a liar, about the people I personally knew who had problems.
BRUCE GERENCSER POST AUTHOR
MAY 11, 2021 AT 10:21 PM
Actually, in this story, you are the Fundamentalist. You are the one who thinks you know the truth and virtually everyone else is uninformed/deceived. You are the one preaching the anti-vax gospel, complete with scary illustrations. You are the one who thinks if everyone just believed your “truth” that they would be saved. Seems quite Fundamentalist to me.
You have had ample opportunity to preach your gospel. I’ve read your blog and Twitter feed. I have a good handle on what you believe about COVID/vaccinations/Fauci/government. You bristle when called an anti-vaxxer or conspiracy theorist, yet you promote anti-vax beliefs and conspiracy theories. If a shoe fits . . .
I suspect you’ve made your point, yes? Time to move on.
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Notice how he silenced me, refused to look at any links I provided or to even have empathy for those who suffered side effects or to honor any medical and other concerns. Actually I don't expect to save anyone, saving myself and my husband is hard enough. He speaks out for his principles all over his blog, and so do I. This is what I got when I spoke with a few, "you are crazy, you believe lies". Hey I went to go read the other side at Respectful Insolence, a pro-vacc website, and got called "poopy head".
Here Bruce Gerencser "othered" me. Keep in mind this is someone I liked and supported for years online. He's an excellent writer but as part of the Covid cult, gave me the heave ho. Oh one thing with the Covid cult, unless you adapt ALL doctrine, you're out the door. Keep in mind I believe the virus is real, was angry it was spread and wear KN95 masks where ever I go. I wasn't even treated like a person. I was brushed off. So to be a good liberal, I must blindly accept everything in the mainstream now? Is that what he is telling me. It definitely was disappointing.
I am scared for anyone who suffers side effects, I get the feeling many have gone silent because their very existence goes against the narrative, and they fade into the background. I saw some people playing down temporary side effects they had, not to appear as some of those "crazy anti-vaxxers".
I don't appreciate statist people who are ableist and demand compliance to be accepted as people. The left has lost it's mind. Seeing so many refusing to think this through is beyond worrying.
Five hundred, maybe you feel slighted by the left. Maybe you hate being called an antivaxxer. But you are repeating easily refutable bullshit, and in what seems to be a hysterical fashion. The more links presented to you refuting your arguments, the more frantic you seem. So your behavior isn't going to change minds. Have you thought about actually checking things out?
ReplyDeleteYes, I got the J&J vaccination (in March) that so freaked you out. I'm not happy with factory conditions in one place that got shut down. But the miniscule number of people who got blood clots actually averages to zero, statistically speaking. And you know what? I feel better right now than I've felt for a couple or 3 years or so. How I feel is not determinative of anything in the short term, but I don't know all these so-called people who got sick and died etc from the vaccine. My husband got the Pfizer vaccine and he's doing all right. We don't personally know ANYONE who had serious problems. Once again, this information isn't determinative.
But the science studies (you know, actual science where actual, qualified epidemiologists test hypotheses) have come back and show that once we are fully vaccinated, 2 weeks after final shot, we won't get sick and die from the vaccine. Nor will we pass it on to others.
I hope you can find some quiet space in your head to open your mind. Because the way you are carrying on now, you are allied with antivaxxers, which means you are also one. You might as well own the label.
DeleteThere are virologists, doctors and others who question what is happening. They have been thrown to the sides by our corporate owned media, censored and more. That's a problem. I do often wonder what kind of life people have who trust the system so readily. Maybe it's never failed them. It makes me question their privilege, because such trust in the world is odd. I am guess I am getting old because people weren't so ready to hand themselves over to profiteers both body and soul, they expected QUALITY and real testing of their vaccines too.
Oh one other point too, I believe forcing and coercing people to participate in medical experimentation is some Nazi-level garbage too. Look at me, no empathy for my intense health problems and to be frank whose going to be there to pick up the pieces if a Covid vaccine paralyzes or blinds me [I am already deaf] or harms me or my husband. This is abuse even to be put under this pressure by a society that claims to care about health, which I don't buy that either, given the low numbers of people with health insurance and the means to access that care. Bruce should know better. His lack of empathy spoke for itself. His belief in the "system" is disappointing as well. I did expect better.
One thing too, it is not vaccines, I have problems with but these covid vaccines. They are NOT the same. They don't work the same and they are nowhere near the same quality. Trying to lump me in with the "antivaxxer" group is dishonest, that's more of the intellectual manipulation being used to silence people. What next claiming I am a Republican because I don't love everything Biden does?
Betsy, claiming there's no side affects happening can be easily refuted, or even claiming they are rare. I am not lying when I said, I saw censorship right in front of my eyes. Let's say I was someone who even wanted a Covid vax at that point the censorship was enough to raise major suspicions. I was banned off a board for simply telling someone who is young who got serious heart effects, that it could have been the Covid vaxx. I even have a links section right on this board with MAINSTREAM and other news sources detailing the people who have died and faced serious effects.
DeleteWhy are posts like this one being removed from message boards, where young, healthy and fit people are detailing horrific results.
https://removeddit.com/r/CovidVaccinated/comments/mn0amu/body_wide_joint_and_surrounding_muscle_aches_pain/
And in my case I really do know people who have had problems with the vaccines. I suspect as time goes on that will increase too.
At this point where can someone even go that truly has side effects. Just from my believing them, I am vilified, they will face even worse and be called liars or "anti-vaxxers making things up". The fact that we are now left without any legitimate reporting or supervision agency--[Hey don't forget even VAERS was called out as being full of "false reports" on Bruce's blog] where can these people speak out and be believed. If a friend or family member gets sick from a Covid vaccine will you believe them?
As for real science, how come no one's listening to real scientists who even worked for Pfizer like Michael Yeadon. Why are they ignoring doctors who have cried warnings? What about Geert Vanden Bossch? I have a link boards where I went to look up animal studies prior to 2018, and you don't think I went to look at "actual science"? Make sure to see the link from Moderna from 2017. There's doctors, letters and more there too. I can post endless lists of doctors and other scientific studies too.
https://fivehundredpoundpeeps.blogspot.com/2021/04/covid19-related-links.html
continuing...
We have name-calling now for "science". Anyone who questions things is called an "antivaxxer" and shut up. One thing all of us notice is no ever addresses the points made. No one answers my questions. I am just called names and told I am stupid or a liar, which to be honest is not actual debate, but something else.
DeleteI've already put tons of links on this board but look a this post, and this section
https://old.reddit.com/r/NoNewNormal/comments/mns2bl/looking_to_wake_up_your_friends_and_family_send/
He provides links for all the claims.
One thing happening is side effects when it comes to women too especially on the menstrual cycle.
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/women-vaccine-side-effects-johnson-pfizer-moderna-astrazeneca-1152206/
I present links and they are ignored and one thing I am noticing here is how you dismiss everyone who reports side effects [even videos] While yes a few fakers are possible, the numbers are way too high for that. Why don't you believe people who report side effects? Maybe you were lucky in having no side effects but even there, many people were not so lucky and we have no idea of the long term effects.
Everything I have read even in mainstream news, reports "breakthrough cases" like my high school friend. That means the vaccines aren't the same as old fashioned "vaccines" which used to be even called immunizations. They don't immunize. Vague promises that Covid may be "less severe" is not the same as old school vaccines that stopped diseases in their tracks and no longer allowed it to be spread. You can still "catch" it and spread it. Think about it, why does an unvaccinated person still have to wear a mask around vaccinated people?
As for science, true science allows skepticism, it is not blind following of established experts who have no accountability. If I blindly followed doctors, I would be dead already. True science allows critical thinking. It does not require censorship and silencing people for millions of vaccinated people to line up for an experimental vaccine. In fact I am deeply concerned that if there are any long term problems we don't even know about more people will be put at risk because of this focus on censorship and silencing people. Science got things wrong before ignoring cancer dangers with cigarrettes, selling untested thalidomide that took away baby's limbs and other tragedies.
One thing I want to add, I would have no problem taking what I consider a safe, effective, vaccine for Covid, but these are not it. In fact I am continuing research to find out if there is a foreign or other vaccine that could be made available that is based more on traditional vaccines. No, I do not want a viral vector that does the same thing via a different process as the Mrna vaccines. I am hoping you all are alright and do not suffer ill effects in the long run. I have no problem examining new information but what I have seen concerns the hell out of me.
DeleteBruce should know, that back in the day if you were an atheist in old Europe, you could not have anything published about your atheist opinions ,even if very reasonable, without being severely punished.
ReplyDeleteWhen I had Lyme disease most Doctors would not accept a positive PCR Lyme test. It was worthless. Which has made me question the numbers. I do believe covid exists, but I question the numbers for that reason.
Taking a break because of fatigue, but love the post. Will comment more later!
Sue
Yes same as people are being censored, vilified and maligned now for questioning the Covid vaccines, atheists went through that for eons. There's countries now where if you are a public atheist, it can mean prison or worse. I like to see some attempted consistency in people's thinking, if you support freedom of speech and freedom of religion, then you support it for everyone not just people who agree with you. I have other friends who have had Lyme and have faced challenges in the medical establishment and I have heard of Lyme related problems with PCR tests. Remember how I had to fight to see a rheumatologist and had to write letters even to get in, to be diagnosed with a problem I've probably had for 25 or more years? It also explained the array of severe autoimmune disease. Thank you Sue
DeleteResponses back from Bruce's blog.
ReplyDeleteFrom Bruce....
I am sorry that you feel hurt. However, you were spreading anti-vaxxer talking points and conspiracy theories. The fact that you were a long-time commenter is what got you more space than other people would get to spew such nonsense. That said, being a long-time commenter is not a license to say whatever you want, especially when it is harmful to others. And anti-vax bullshit and conspiracy theories do harm others.
I have done nothing wrong, so no apology is forthcoming. I am sorry to lose you as a reader. Your post about me and the readers of this blog ends your run on this site. I won’t dignify it with a response. Other people might.
https://fivehundredpoundpeeps.blogspot.com/2021/05/what-happened-to-left-ableist-statists.html
I wish you well, and I sure as hell hope you get vaccinated.
Bruce Gerencser
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Becky got her vaccine and she wasn't harmed, so all is good in the world! This is so disturbing and extremely self centered.
ReplyDeleteWhen I was in the midst of fighting for my life with Lyme, they was persecuting Lyme doctors who were genuinely helping lots of people ; literally taking away their license's. Wrecking peoples health and lives. There is no way I am thinking, suddenly they care about my health out of the goodness of their hearts. They were lying and saying you could not possibly have Lyme after a couple of weeks of antibiotics,; despite evidence to the contrary. But they're just so honest now.
A lot of fibromyalgia and MS and rheumatoid arthritis is undiagnosed Lyme. Went to a major conference with the top Lyme doctors and scientists. I don't bother telling people that anymore because they would rather stick with their diagnosis than fight to get better.
This whole thing just seems like a big repeat to me. A lot of gaslighting going on too.
I think all these pharmaceutical companies have put out drugs that have harmed and or killed people. But we should just trust them now, with so little trial time and all the new technology. Yeah, what is the matter with people?
And the lack of empathy for anyone with any concerns is in itself concerning.
Sue
I am glad Becky was not harmed and hope no long term effects happen either but you are right it's self centered to think well nothing happened to me. I have seen so many reports of side effects, it can't be all liars, no way and the numbers are immense. 5,000 official deaths now on VAERS and I think over 100,000 injuries, but there's a massive backlog and the statistics of VAERS is a small minority of adverse reactions get reported, so yeah there we can do the math and know something bad is building.
DeleteWe will be finding out in time, if Betsy and Bruce were correct, and they somehow overcame all those horrific results in animal testing with mRNA or those of us watching all of this with growing horror, are correct and one day there could be trials, hearings and more, if society is still intact. Some scientists/doctors have outlined such horrific results of the mRNA I don't even talk about that stuff here though I have linked to it, no use in freaking people out.
I think doing an experiment on millions of people, well if goes bad, we are all screwed. Nothing like this has ever happened before.
Yes Lyme patients are often ignored, shunted aside and more. I know Lipedema isn't the only illness that gets misdiagnosed and where the patient is called a liar, and told to shut up, "you need to put down the fork" as their body swells. In Lyme's case there's multi symptoms and life altering and disabling problems that can arise. I read a little bit about what happened to Lyme doctors and how they persecuted some of them and refused to allow their research or ways of helping people. You see this in some medical arenas.
On this blog, I definitely have talked about the lies, corruption and more on obesity and how fat people are ignored and even researchers sidelined for the almighty diet industrial complex. Yeah I knew the protoccol on Lyme was to shove acouple weeks of antibiotics and call it a day and ignore so much. Yeah that's an interesting theory about MS and fibromyalgia, arthritis being undiagnosed Lyme. Yeah this is a repeat to me.
I guess this is why I am shocked at anyone who is chronically ill trusting so much in this system. Most of us who are, have been burned and burned big time. I know some of the medicine and treatments work, but I am cautious, I know future problems could arise. Yes harmful drugs have been released. I had a doctor who wanted to put me on a "black box" drug, and an "experimental drug" at once. The first one was some extreme diabetes drug, it got taken off the market, I can't remember the exact name, but I said hell no, being an informed patient who had read about it on the news before. There are tons of drugs that have harmed people and been taken off the market in history. What if the experimental vaccines, being given to millions end up going down the path of these many drugs? Oh I was under immense pressure to go on Fen-Phen which has you know caused very bad cardio and lung problems and said no to that too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_withdrawn_drugs
I want to know why I am supposed to trust them when they are so new, too. Yeah the lack of empathy for anyone with concerns or extreme health problems is too much and the refusal for any medical exemption.
By Becky's logic I could say that covid does not exist; because I never got covid and I do not know anyone that got covid, nor do I know anyone that knows anyone that has died of covid; therefor it doesn't exist, or such an infinitesimal amount of people have ever died from it because I don't know of any, so it's no big deal. I mean that is her logic about the vaccine injured.
ReplyDeleteSue
I agree. I don't know anyone who has died of Covid personally and know only 1 person who almost died and that's it. I still believe Covid is real. Why claim the people who had side effects from vaccine are fake?
DeleteLol, in NO version of life will anyone tell me what I have to put into my body.
ReplyDeleteJust since the 1980's, we've been dehumanized with the War on Drugs, employment drug testing, MADD & drunk-driving laws, seatbelt laws, NAFTA and massive job losses, villifying smokers & other "unhealthy" people, then 9/11 & normalized surveillance, credit checks, background checks, social media and handheld tracking devices, wearable tracking devices, implantable tracking devices, cameras everywhere, voluntary surrender of privacy, selling of our personal information, endless war, gutted labor protections, corrupting of our government so we'd beg for privatization, rise of NGO's everywhere, invasive health insurance practices, corporate churches, school lockdowns & locker searches, corporate sponsorship of school arts programs, gutting of the liberal arts, pop-culture libraries, worship of wealth and technology, the constant lies of labor shortages in order to drive down wages, "copyright-strike" censorship, cancel-culture censorship, enhanced driver's licenses/passports needed to fly or go to Canada & Mexico, no renting hotels or cars without a credit card, restrictions on cash, traffic-light cameras, militarized police with attack dogs and assault weapons, a hundred required "accounts" just to get a job or rent an apartment, money-wasting junk-quality products & food, time-wasting billing errors, stores treating their customers like thieves, etc.
See what I mean?
I've been reading you for awhile. You have strong instincts. They've led you thus far, and I think you're good to keep trusting them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS953NNws3E
ReplyDeleteI agree about the process of dehumanization, we are seeing something in operation that's not good at all. This article used the term "digital prison camp" and that's a good term for it. Sometimes I feel weird watching young people, like all the spirit of any protest or standing up has been drummed out of them. I get the feeling all the social media actually helped to promote far more comformity in society, everyone wanted "accepted" to have "likes" Your list is a good one, there's so much that changed. I had a conversation can't remember where, where I talked about being the age I am and realizing younger people aren't going to remember the days when there was far more spontaneity and communication and not everything was controlled and measured. I burst out in tears watching some Youtubes from the 1980s on malls, funny enough. Now life for me at home sucked, and abusive, I was a Aspie nerd without friends, but things still were LIGHTER then, the fun, the hopefulness in life? That seems all gone as the powers that be just want to slam the prison doors shut and take more away. And the sad thing is all the ones who support them doing this. I used to warn on this blog about NDAA and 911 stuff when they bring the "war on terror" on American soil etc, now with this Covid stuff, that's some of the next steps on the march to totalitarianism. Thanks for your post and words about my "instincts". I try to be authentic and think things out. I'm definitely not someone whose going to follow the herd. Most of the herd doesn't get the bars are slamming shut, the gate is closing on any freedom. They can call us crazy and conspiracy theorists while they are at it too. Remember this cartoon?
ReplyDeletehttps://fivehundredpoundpeeps.blogspot.com/2013/08/conspiracy-theory.html
Just since the 1980's, we've been dehumanized with the War on Drugs, employment drug testing, MADD & drunk-driving laws, seatbelt laws, NAFTA and massive job losses, villifying smokers & other "unhealthy" people, then 9/11 & normalized surveillance, credit checks, background checks, social media and handheld tracking devices, wearable tracking devices, implantable tracking devices, cameras everywhere, voluntary surrender of privacy, selling of our personal information, endless war, gutted labor protections, corrupting of our government so we'd beg for privatization, rise of NGO's everywhere, invasive health insurance practices, corporate churches, school lockdowns & locker searches, corporate sponsorship of school arts programs, gutting of the liberal arts, pop-culture libraries, worship of wealth and technology, the constant lies of labor shortages in order to drive down wages, "copyright-strike" censorship, cancel-culture censorship, enhanced driver's licenses/passports needed to fly or go to Canada & Mexico, no renting hotels or cars without a credit card, restrictions on cash, traffic-light cameras, militarized police with attack dogs and assault weapons, a hundred required "accounts" just to get a job or rent an apartment, money-wasting junk-quality products & food, time-wasting billing errors, stores treating their customers like thieves, etc.
See what I mean?
I've been reading you for awhile. You have strong instincts. They've led you thus far, and I think you're good to keep trusting them.
https://old.reddit.com/r/CovidVaccinated/comments/ni4yat/m41_massive_reaction_to_first_pfizer/
ReplyDeleteBlurred vision from Covid vaccine.....and worse.
That eye stuff is scary. I saw "CovidBlindWife" on Twitter where a Covid vaccine has made this poor guy's wife blind for over 90 days and now seems permanent. Being almost deaf, you can see how that would affect my outlook.
DeleteI just saw from one of the commenters above that she's not sure Covid exists because she doesn't know anyone who got it or died from it. Well I live in NY, one of the states that was hardest hit, and I knew several people who died of Covid, two were musicians, and one ran a music store. Devastating to our small community.
ReplyDeleteI can also tell you that I have four family members who had it. One was totally asymptomatic, another described it as no worse than the sniffles, another described it as headaches from hell with nausea for two weeks, and another almost died from it: in the Covid ward 3 times, blood clots, hair falling out, super rapid heartbeat, compromised breathing, high fever, Covid induced Crohn's (incredible weight loss) - this member was a long hauler, young with no previous conditions. It effects everyone differently, and we were told by the hospital staff of one member that blood type has something to do with the trajectory of the disease. Type A and type B have greater risk.
Make no mistake: it is real.
Now as far as people with allergies, I believe they should be able to make their best informed decision with or without their doctor. As with the disease, some people have had bad reactions to the vaccine (it's like they get Covid for 3 days) and some people have no side effects at all. I have known people personally who were in both camps.
Health is a very personal thing. It's up to all of us to make informed choices.
Oh that commenter was playing off another commenter who denied people existed who had side effects from the Covid vaccines [beyond the teeny tiny number claimed on "official websites as they take down everyone else's posts], that's how I took it to mean anyhow. I think Covid is real, want to make that clear. I don't think they meant it in that Covid is fake.
DeleteI have asked friends if they knew anyhow who died and some did, and I had no reason not to believe them. Heck even asked doctors and at what number. Something is out there killing people. I do take some issue with the PCR tests thinking they did catch some false positives in the net, the guy who invented the test didn't support it being used for that. Sars2 though? Theres definitely something real out there making people sick. There's a reason I've worn masks all over the place, and lived my own life very isolated. One can admit that Covid is bad while still taking issue with experimental vaccines. it definitely is being inbetween a rock and hard place. I know some people who think Covid is totally a hoax, but that makes no sense to me. Some believe it is not very risk and that the death rate is in the 99 percentile for most young people. If I go by my own ancedotal experience. I know 10 people who caught Covid, one fully vaccinated put the number at 10. 1 almost died in the hospital, needed constant oxygen, they did survive, 1 needed hospital for puking--fully vaccinated, but I think she is doing better now, 1 got it at a church, and had a mild case with some light breathing issues--that inhalers could manage, 1 friend even with COPD blew it off like a cold or flu, 1 another church person had it and didn't need hospital but said it gave them some heart issues, think they saw a doctor, 2-3 blew it off like a serious cold or flu.
It is a weird virus, I tend to think it was cooked up in a lab, but people can disagree with me on that. What doesn't it do and it's confusing how some people are so mild and then it takes some out. part of me thinks well maybe they caught up all these people's actual colds and flus with the PCR tests for the mild cases. Someone wrote online where I saw them saying well only accept it as 'real covid" if they got the glass lungs on Xrays, vascular and other issues. Something real is definitely out there.
I've heard blood type affects things too. One thing I do not understand is why people who had Covid are being told to get the vaccines, it seems they would have antibodies to protect them just as much.
With the vaccines, here's my main issue with them, they replicate the spike protein in the body that screws people up with actual Covid, and the "side effects" of the Covid vaccines seem to overlap with serious cases of Covid itself, blood clots etc.
So yeah I agree it is real Lise.
That makes this more complicated. There are boards discussing these issues where people are against vaccine passports and questioning Covid vaccines where they make clear we believe the virus is real.
There's definitely bad side effects happening from the Covid vaccines IMO, this doesn't lessen the bad effects from Covid, though some places like Texas do seem to be showing evidence of the pandemic fading out or Covid not being as serious of a problem anymore, opened or not.
Everyone has to determine their risk for themselves. I still have major concerns about the vaccines and have warned about aspects of them but it will be up to every person what decision they make. The Covid vaccines bring bad risks.
I always wondered if people could get antibody tests to find out if they are asymptomatic or something like that, that's one weird things with the vaccines, why aren't they testing for that?
Thanks Lise, I agree health is a personal thing. I feel like HIPPA has basically been erased with all this craziness.
There's times I think this is so messed up. Obviously you know they have us coming and going. People have to weigh their own risks and belief system. I don't trust a lot obviously at what has happened. I am in the place where I know at a certain point, I will have to return to living life and seeing people, and well it won't be easy knowing they made this virus endemic, [people may remember my old posts where I decried those spreading it hinter and yon to the most remote areas of the USA] I think our entire power structure is corrupt to the core, to allowing [or planning] for this to happen. Yeah people getting the covid vaccines, some of them know and I've heard the worried stuff too, one friend said, "I am old anyway" know it's a spin of the roulette wheel, while those who don't want the vaccine but know and admit the virus is real, know there is some spinning of the same roulette wheel from Covid [those who are younger of course that roulette wheel is set up far more in their odds]
DeletePeep,
DeleteYou wrote: "[vaccines] replicate the spike protein in the body that screws people up with actual Covid"
Spike proteins are those parts of the virus that the virus uses to attach itself to human cells. Just a spike protein is not the whole virus; the main damage the virus does is by merging with human cells and reproducing within them. A spike protein alone cannot do that.
The spikes introduced by vaccines are there to provoke the human immune system to react to them, building antibodies to isolate and destroy the spikes and thus acquiring immunity to the disease. Since the rest of the Covid virus is missing (or not active, as in "traditional"-type vaccines), that is different from actually having Covid.
Of course, one should check with their physician whether one has any contraindications against taking a particular vaccine. As far as I know, the medical profession does recognize that certain people cannot be vaccinated, for medical reasons. However, it is to protect everybody, including such people, that as many other people as possible should get vaccinated.
The different types of vaccines - RNA, viral vector, or what you call "traditional" vaccines (inactivated virus) - really just differ in the way they get a part of the Covid virus into the human body, to stimulate the immune system. If one trusts traditional vaccines in general (like e.g. tetanus), I think there is no reason to be that much afraid of new vaccine technologies. RNA vaccines as a general principle had been developed for some years, which is why it was then possible to apply it to Covid in a matter of months.
By the way, there are inactivated-virus (i.e. "traditional") vaccines against COVID-19, just presently not widely available in America and Europe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccine#Vaccine_types
As a personal anectode, I got my first dose of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine two weeks ago. It is a viral vector vaccine, with the DNA for the Covid virus' spike protein inserted into the shell of a chimpanzee adenovirus - i.e. "genetically engineered". The effects I felt were: slight pain in the upper arm, around injection site, for two days; perhaps (may or may not be linked to vaccine) a little more tired and sleepy than usual, for the same two days. Other than that, I am fine. I am 47 and generally healthy. I intend to continue to wear masks, distance, maintain hand hygiene etc. at least until a few weeks after my second dose.
Peep,
DeleteYou wrote: "[vaccines] replicate the spike protein in the body that screws people up with actual Covid"
Spike proteins are those parts of the virus that the virus uses to attach itself to human cells. Just a spike protein is not the whole virus; the main damage the virus does is by merging with human cells and reproducing within them. A spike protein alone cannot do that.
The spikes introduced by vaccines are there to provoke the human immune system to react to them, building antibodies to isolate and destroy the spikes and thus acquiring immunity to the disease. Since the rest of the Covid virus is missing (or not active, as in "traditional"-type vaccines), that is different from actually having Covid.
Of course, one should check with their physician whether one has any contraindications against taking a particular vaccine. As far as I know, the medical profession does recognize that certain people cannot be vaccinated, for medical reasons. However, it is to protect everybody, including such people, that as many other people as possible should get vaccinated.
The different types of vaccines - RNA, viral vector, or what you call "traditional" vaccines (inactivated virus) - really just differ in the way they get a part of the Covid virus into the human body, to stimulate the immune system. If one trusts traditional vaccines in general (like e.g. tetanus), I think there is no reason to be that much afraid of new vaccine technologies. RNA vaccines as a general principle had been developed for some years, which is why it was then possible to apply it to Covid in a matter of months.
By the way, there are inactivated-virus (i.e. "traditional") vaccines against COVID-19, just presently not widely available in America and Europe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccine#Vaccine_types
As a personal anectode, I got my first dose of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine two weeks ago. It is a viral vector vaccine, with the DNA for the Covid virus' spike protein inserted into the shell of a chimpanzee adenovirus - i.e. "genetically engineered". The effects I felt were: slight pain in the upper arm, around injection site, for two days; perhaps (may or may not be linked to vaccine) a little more tired and sleepy than usual, for the same two days. Other than that, I am fine. I am 47 and generally healthy. I intend to continue to wear masks, distance, maintain hand hygiene etc. at least until a few weeks after my second dose.
I agree about checking with one's doctor, some immunocompromised people I have read, the covid vaccines won't even work. I do trust the traditional and proven vaccines and had a tetanus booster last year. These of course you have read my concerns. I am trying to research and find the inactivated virus vaccines, and see if any are available in America and if they are safe too. Thanks Nenad for sharing your experiences.
DeleteLise I hope your young family member is doing better and has a full recovery especially out of a "long hauler" situation.
ReplyDeleteAs a personal anectode, I got my first dose of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine two weeks ago. (It is a viral vector vaccine, with the DNA for the Covid virus' spike protein inserted into the shell of a chimpanzee adenovirus - i.e. "genetically engineered".) The effects I felt were: slight pain in the upper arm, around injection site, for two days; perhaps (may or may not be linked to vaccine) a little more tired and sleepy than usual, for the same two days. Other than that, I am fine. I am 47 and generally healthy. I intend to continue to wear masks, distance, maintain hand hygiene etc. at least until a few weeks after my second dose.
ReplyDeleteI am glad Nenad that your symptoms were mild. Yeah the viral vectors arrive at the same place using the same spike proteins but do it through a different process.
DeleteLise - I was making an analogy. I do believe covid exists. I don't deny it exists just because I don't know anyone who has had it. I don't discount all the deaths and effects from it I heard about just because in my world I haven't been affected by it. I even wear a mask when going out around people. I just didn't appreciate Becky denying that people were having bad reactions and even death from the vaccine. A good enough number of them.
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Yes, I am glad you believe Covid exists too Sue. I don't understand why all the people who are dying or having adverse reactions from the Covid vaccines are being ignored or invalidated. A friend just wrote me to tell me her aunt died right after taking her second shot. This is growing way beyond the few statistical deaths that would happen. It doesn't take much research to find an avalanche of people reporting these things over and over. :(
DeleteI have extreme auto immune disease. It's so severe that I was put on chemo to shut down my immune system. At the time I had nearly died from the disease because my immune system had my insides so inflamed that they swelled shut. I can't describe the pain I was in, but I have had a baby and a hysterectomy and the pain from that was nothing compared to having my insides swelled shut.
ReplyDeleteAt the time I was put on the chemo the doctor said that I was to not have any vaccinations again because they would only make me possibly sick and I wouldn't have any benefit since my immune system would be suppressed. This same doctor was pressuring me to get the vaccine for covid all these years later. I politely asked about this. She became angry and ended the appointment without even examining me. She would not answer the question, either.
I have been taken off my life preserving treatment. Once my immune system comes back as the last chemo treatment wears off, I will be slowly killed in an extremely painful way barring a miracle. I was taken off the treatment in retaliation for asking her the question. She is a vindictive woman who does not like to be questioned. I did not actually even turn down the vaccine. I would have, but the conversation did not last long enough.
I am terrified of the pain and sickness I will be suffering in the upcoming months as my immune system comes back. I endured it before to the point of almost dying and spending a week in the hospital in severe pain. I am devoid of hope right now.
Recently, I had an aunt pass away. She had gotten her second shot. She was already frail. I was already worried about her getting the vaccine since she was so frail that she would not be able to handle much of side effects. She was having trouble breathing, her feet swelled, and her heart stopped. I am going to miss her. I had not seen her in years. I have been unable to travel much. Now, I will never get to see her again.
Wow, it's horrible what you have gone through anon, I am sorry for the loss of your aunt too. There's just too much coming out and there is the censorship I have seen first hand about what these vaccines are doing.
DeleteYour doctor is awful to want to force a vaccine on someone with an immune system that is so overactive. I think the same for myself too. The pain and horribleness of this seems beyond the pale.
It's horrible she didn't even want to allow you a free choice. Can you contact the hospital ombudsman and file a complaint against her. I would make a demand for your needed treatment in doing so. Go above her head. Every hospital has a chief of staff. It's crazy to me they took you off treatment you need to save your life. Your experience does have me worried about threats they may give the chronically ill and sick who do not conform.
What gets me is your risk from the Covid vaccines is far far higher given the status of your immune system and dealing with extreme autoimmune disease in my opinion.
She sounds like a horrible women. Please see who you can take this complaint too, report her. Even if you piss her off at least this may force back your treatment. I am scared for you. I hope you can find someone to help.
I wish you had been able to see your aunt. It's gotta be rough hearing about your aunt after the fiasco with the doctor. What gets me is so many don't seem to care what is happening to people out there. It's a tragedy beyond words. :'(
Hi Peeps,
ReplyDeleteHere is my response to the woman's email I shared with you here.
Entitled, "So sorry to hear it!"
I can see that I have completely misjudged my place in our friendship and now I'M mortified! I had no earthly idea as to all you are going through or what a brutal year you have had. I am deeply saddened for both of you and hope that this nightmare will soon be over and you will have the chance to reunite with your families, who clearly need you! Had I any inkling as to any of it, I would certainly not have been talking about meat left in a bean soup or scorpion stings! These are certainly regrettable in hindsight, but truly, how was I to know?
When you are here you have oodles of time on your hands and looking eagerly for ways to fill it. I certainly tried my best to help out with that when I could, and have been making additional plans for doing so again this time around. But, ironically, now, in contrast, you are scarcely 150 miles up the coast, in a one wheelbarrow town, in a lockdown situation, and you clearly have more on your plates currently than anyone should have to bear! I am so sad for you both!
I know that your time is precious right now and that you may not have either it or the inclination to read any further, as I can tell you that what comes next pales in comparison and importance to what you currently face. But in case you're having a not so bad day today, I'll go ahead and continue.
I recently had an internet conversation with my sister, who was explaining to me that in her view it's not so much what others do, but your expectations of what they "should do" that is the oroblem. She explained how every year she would go all out for her daughters birthdays and her husbsnd's and how every year when hers came around and no one did anything that her feelings would get invariably hurt. She said once she finally realized that she doesn't get to decide what others should do, that that is what makes us all unique, how all those relationships suddenly changed for the better. Had I had the chance, I would have told her that she DID have the right to expect some recognition of her birthday by her family, and had I been in her shoes I would have been tempted to test that theory out, by not recognizing any of their birthdays one year and see what their reactions were. I would then feel in a better position to draw my conclusions from there. Sadly, I didn't have that chance! Chelle continuing ...
Sadly I didn't have that chance! ...
ReplyDeletePersonally, I don't expect anything returned in kind for anything I decide to do for my friends or family on my own, in the way of kindnesses or others, as these are given freely by me and the joy and good times had by all is certainly payment enogh. But what I do expect in return is CONSIDERATION. This is a must for me personally and not negotiable. When I wasn't getting that from you, I naturally wanted to understand why. That is the truth I asked you to come forward with. I have NEVER suggested you were a liar. I just frlt that I was being treated rudely, and since that is not the treatment I would expect from you, I needed to understand why. But let's spare us all going into THAT ANY FURTHER!
I guess I'll take this further opportunity and no-doubt bore you with yet another sibling conversation. This one took place with my brother. We had fairly recently reunited after a thirty year absence, and he was on his way to do the same with my sister. She had invited him for Thanksgiving Dinner at her house. They had also spent twenty years apart, and this was going to be their first attempt at reconciliation.
I called him a couple days later to see how it had gone. He made several comments about the food but nothing else. I asked how it had gone between them personally, and he snapped back that, "he wasn't going yo just dive into the pool with both feet, he was going to stick a toe in first." I realized in that moment that I had just dove into the pool head first, both feet and all with him after a twenty year absence, and wondered if I had been foolish somehow to do so. I quickly decided that it didn't really matter much, as I wasn't capable of approaching things any other way. I was definately a "both feet in" kind of a gal.
That is why I suspect I might be challenged moving forward with our friendship, to navigate and understand correctly what are suitable and appropriate subjects to be discussed between us, and which might be considered too personal and private. Continuing ...
Continuing...
ReplyDeleteand which might be considered too personal and private. I realize that this may very well be a character flaw on my part, as it certainly hasn't always yielded me the happiest or most fulfilling outcomes. That is certainly something I'm going to reflect on in the near future of things. For now I'm feeling a bit exhausted by all this strife and would like to allow it and myself time to breathe.
Be safe and well you two. Hold one another close, and know that hopefully soon, this too shall pass!