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Thursday, June 4, 2026

Life with Celiac Disease and other Health Stuff

 

I tested positive for the HLA-DQ8 gene. There were other multiple clinical signs I got diagnosed based on. I wish I found out earlier.

 The connection between Celiac and Obesity

I haven't eaten gluten except three times by accident in 18 months.

What do I miss most?

Fried Chicken, Chinese food, Sour Dough Bread, Pizza and real spaghetti. I kept fried chicken rare for health reasons and knew I had to curb the carbs, but those are the foods I miss the most. Some of the Chinese food I can replicate by myself, using tamari, even the chicken I can put it in rice flour and have. Pizza, well I found some gluten free pizza dough once at Aldis but it seems to come around only once a year like Santa Claus. Some brands are better when it comes to gluten free pasta, but it's hard to find in my town or runs out. There seems to be legions of hungry celiacs around here because many products go poof!

Food also costs a lot more, all gluten free products are far higher in price. I get frustrated a lot trying to afford food or figuring out decent food to eat. America stinks when it comes to food. I am not sure if I just live in an town that is horrible when it comes to groceries and supply chains or if everywhere is like this now and I just don't realize it. 

Keep in mind as you read this, I cannot eat potatoes, fish, wine, sulfites, shellfish, and a multitude of other foods due to medical conditions. All dairy must have Lactose Milk accompany it. I haven't eaten a hamburger [I've had a few bites of hamburger meat] or a pork chop in 12 years. My diet is very restricted. Yes it is at the point what can you eat? Now wipe away all the gluten. They sneak it in everywhere too. 

I'm no longer a "silent" celiac. I used to think well some poor celiac people are more sensitive, I felt for them when they talked about barfing their guts out or getting scared some underpaid sandwich makers at a sub shop rubbed their gluten free bun by accident on the cutting board used for regular buns.

That's me now! I puke and get bad runs, if I accidentally eat wheat now. How do I know? I ate some ranch dip with veggies at an art club meeting and was puking with extreme bowel pain that very afternoon. My husband even asked me if I needed to go to the hospital. I may have mentioned this event in another blog post. Three bites of cream of broccoli soup, also made me puke. "Maybe they thickened it with corn starch", think again! My blood sugar was low and that was the only food available. Three bites couldn't hurt could it? I was throwing up within the hour. 

The results are so painful I am too petrified to cheat. If you ever wonder if celiacs have an off day and say "Screw this, I'm eating pizza today", they don't. You get too sick and suffer very badly.  The suffering can be the kind where one's spouse wants to drag you to the hospital instead of watching you cry in the bathroom. At this point I have tightened down the hatches, and have gone weeks without an accidental ingestion but that's a cook from scratch diet, no risk taking like with ranch dressing on veggies at an art club meeting. Yesterday, I bought a bunch of Indian food, paneer, spices, split-peas, and rice flour. 



my black seed oil....

I went on black seed oil some time ago and started another new supplement-full of various herbs. My eyebrows always thicken up when I get more B-vitamins, I ran out of methylated B vitamins, and my eyebrows thinned out almost immediately. My hair doesn't grow at all unless I'm on these vitamins. 

Sometimes I wonder what Celiac did to me all these years. It is kind of scary to have been in a body everyone blamed you for and abused you over for years and years and been this sick and then diagnosed with at least five conditions that directly impact weight.

      

                                                  my other supplement. I'm on multiple ones.


I thought "Man nothing was ever enough". There are times I wonder how my life would have turned out if I had been a normal weight. There's a lot of things I missed out on. That's physical stuff. Yeah I know the diet queens will say "you failed, you didn't starve yourself enough", but sometimes I get pissed thinking I probably had celiac back to my teenage years when the IBS then was off the charts.  My teenager years were spent being late to school from being in the bathroom and constantly getting in trouble for being late from my "IBS".  I do worry about the state of my intestines, and how bad off they are from all the years of damage from that misdiagnosis. My doctor did an advanced intestinal test for cancer, it came out negative, thank goodness. One odd thing, from some of the malabsorption problems probably healing, my hunger levels dropped. Don't get me wrong, I still get hungry, I am still insulin resistant, but an edge seems to have come off it. My malabsorption problems were SEVERE to even need so many outside vitamins, it's why I got diagnosed with malnutrition multiple times. 

I don't know what my weight is right now, it was going down some, 460 was the last weight, but I fear some mobility problems could have affected it. I don't think I've gained, I still have rubber bands on my too loose underwear to hold them up but guess I will find out in a couple weeks.

 My joints are in really bad shape. I had difficulty walking today and had to tell some friends I didn't want to go upstairs, because walking just one floor of the 5,000-10,000 square foot art center had worn me out. They have elevators there, but my leg was hurting. I move, I bloat. It seems counter-productive, doesn't it?

My mobility is kind of in danger, my knee hurts a lot getting up at night and that has to do with continence issues. Walking hurts. They say do more walking and I'll probably walk some at this zine fest soon, so some stuff motivates me to walk around but it's hard. Life would be easier with a scooter or power wheelchair, but then I can't afford one or a lift and then part of me is afraid of gaining weight. It's really affecting me. I want to do stuff, but it hurts so much to move around. Some joints go out, even my wrists. 

Supposedly Celiac Disease is supposed to impact a lot. I also found out a lot of women with Lipedema had it. There is a connection there. Remember scary autoimmune diseases go with severe stage Lipedema. I know a woman a woman with both Bullous pemphigoid and Lipedema. That's a really bad one that causes a lot of pain and suffering. I've met other stage 4 Lipedema women with a vast array of bad autoimmune diseases like me. 

My hearing has dropped gotten worse, it's ebbing away, why don't they have support for people like me. It's made communication with others very hard, I am completely transcribe phone dependent to understand or communicate with people. [unless they write me] This body hasn't been too nice to me. It's good I survived this long but it took a lot of work to stay alive too. I'm tired. Age is starting to weaken me now. 

Thank God, I got away from jerks though who treated me like crap for being fat. No one has mocked me or abused me for obesity except online in years. Maybe people can tell I would knock them flat or maybe the deafness and other extremes of my body make it plain to others, there's far more problems than obesity. I'm old now too, no beauty queen contests left and I don't care. Few knew I was 240 plus under my peak weight from years ago. Friends around me, saw how rigid the eating habits were even before I had to be gluten free.

 I hope I will lose more weight but the problems with chronic fatigue and other bodily systems putting me in bed too much, are a problem. Doctors are more forgiving I've noticed. There were physical changes after I switched to gluten free so they know, I had other complex problems. Labs changed, kidney stones dropped in number by A LOT.

No one talks about being old, and super-fat, maybe because it rarely happens though I knew a lady with my stage of Lipedema who made it to her lower 80s who weighed in the mid- 400s. Lately I'm afraid of my bladder taking me out, but that could be an autoimmune thing as discussed with my urologist. I'm hoping I make it, I have to dedicate some time to studying how to solve some problems the naturopath way and a good friend send me some AZO supplements. Some migraines have been a problem too, and they've been the visual ones. Maybe it's stress. Maybe I need to rest more. Maybe I'm getting old, and well pushing yourself with chronic fatigue brings problems. The walking thing concerns me a lot. I'm still on a walker, but the joints hurt. This week, my forehead broke out in red sores, the hearing is bad, and joints acting funny. I'm probably in a flare. I worry a new statin is giving me brain fogs and muscle problems but then MCTD/UCTD can cause those too. 

I'm supposed to see some physical therapists soon, Ive been having problems sitting, my falling stomach I think is putting pressure on other places. Physically I am a mess. I know some wonder how is she still even alive? I did put some effort into it all. The worse thing is the fatigue, I could go to sleep now, but after I get out of my leg machine, I have to empty the dishwasher, and do a few things like that. I have to take my supplements too and if hungry enough make some lunch. I always think I should skip more meals but I still do best eating on a regular schedule. 

I'm going to write an article soon about the financial life of the disabled, focusing on realities from that end. Getting the celiac diagnosis probably saved my life from the kidney stones alone. I'm still anemic though I guess they see that one as having multiple causes. They are learning more about Lipedema which is a positive development and it is very interesting to me, they are finding out the ties to Celiac/gluten now.


Wednesday, April 30, 2025

Diagnosed with Celiac Disease by My Functional Doctor

 



Years ago I wondered if I had celiac disease, and had doctors give me the basic panel which I was "negative" on. No one told me people can get false negatives. As I wrote here, I started going to a functional doctor. I told him, "Please find out why I have two different kinds of kidney stones and why so much else is wrong?" 

He went deep into my records, even knew things about my abuse history, I think there was access to some counseling records and far more. He did very complete testing on me. 

Another study tying HLDQ8 and Lipedema together. 

He did some genetic tests on me. I wrote about MTHFR being a problem but I came out positive for HLA DQ8 which is a genetic marker for celiac disease. He told me he diagnosed me based on malabsorption, anemia, and other symptoms along with this genetic test. So it was the test and multiple other clinical signs. It is a bit more complicated for me to do the endoscopy and that. He said I had multiple signs of it. 

I went on a gluten free diet, as of December 15, 2024. It is not easy but I have eaten gluten-free since then. I wanted to see if it would improve things. I probably will soon be getting some labs done to see what differences if any there has been, but some things have already changed!

 For the first time since 2014, after one of my usual maintenance kidney scans, I have no kidney stones. There was always one or two hanging out in there. I don't get the usual number of small kidney stones like I did before either. Candidas went down by a lot. I can still get bouts of it, but they are far less in number. My blood pressure dropped to the point I had to go off a blood pressure med I have been on for years. My weight sadly has remained about the same. [491 a few weeks ago] I am a bit disturbed my weight is staying the same, we have had less food due to poverty and obviously a lot of foods have been cut out doing gluten free. 

Other health problems have worsened, I am having some major muscle/mobility and pain problems probably related to my rheum disorders such as Dermatomyositis. This doctor diagnosed me with MCTD instead of UCTD too, which I think is a more accurate diagnosis. I had to see a PT for my neck, and they did neck X-rays that show degeneration in my bones and some narrowing of vertebrae, I still need to see my main doctor to explain this to me. I do wonder if celiac explains why I lost 4-5 inches of height by my 40s. 

I will see where the gluten free diet takes me now. It is not easy to do with money problems but I have kept gluten free. There have been studies that there is more obesity in adult patients with celiac. 

Wednesday, July 7, 2010

There ARE Fat Celiacs.






This may surprise some people.

I'll let you read this article: all I know is going gluten free after being diagnosed with a celiac related skin disorder, has massively improved labs in a very short time and explained years worth of severe skin problems, food allergies, digestive problems, and vitamin deficiencies my recent doctors have discovered despite food intake. I do not know if this will take any more weight off-it has taken some off, it seems to have absolutely killed cravings for carbohydrates and waking up everyday, not worrying about itching to death is a nice change. It is not an easy or cheap diet to follow but the difference in how I feel is night and day. Read on about the celiac link to autoimmune disease and much more.


Another disorder commonly associated with celiac disease is malabsorption, which can also lead to malnutrition. When someone with celiac disease eats foods that contain gluten it results in damage to the surface of the small intestine and destruction of their nutrient-absorbing villi. This can lead to leaky gut and an inability for them to absorb vital nutrients from their food. By continuing to eat foods containing gluten, eventually vital organs including the brain, thyroid, liver, kidneys—essentially any organ that depends heavily on nutrients—will be starved, which will leave them susceptible to other diseases and conditions. I personally experienced brain malfunctions, gall bladder problems, and was diagnosed numerous times with an under-active thyroid. Naturally treatments for this proposed thyroid condition didnt work because their true cause had not yet been found. At one point a doctor asked me to consider the idea that my obesity was the result of my bodys attempt to cope with malnourishment4. This phenomenon is similar to yo-yo dieting, where dieters who have deprived themselves or proper nutrition for too long gain weight at faster rates than non-dieters after they resume eating normally. I always thought that I had fallen victim to yo-yo dieting, and that I had dieted myself into a permanent state of obesity. I now understand that it was because I had undiagnosed celiac disease, and my body was actually malnourished.

Thursday, December 9, 2010

Fat Celiacs

I wanted to see if there were others out there like me dealing with a gluten problem or out and out celiac and obesity at the same time. I know some weight has come off doing all this. I don't have the same cravings anymore. It is nice to go days without itching to death too. [celiac skin disorder] One thing I found out from the doctor, is malabsorption issues seem to be changing. I need B vitamin shots for at least over a year, now suddenly I don't.

Sunday, October 31, 2010

Poverty and Being Fat: Food is So Expensive Now



The prices are already shooting up, I'm already ready to pass out from sticker stock at the grocery store.There seems to be a direct correlation between how healthy a food is and how much it costs. The conspiracy theorist in me seems to think its like they WANT all the poor people who can't afford good groceries, to get fat and die younger. Why can I get bologna for a buck but every package of lean turkey lunchmeat in the store costs at least 3.99?-4.99a pound? Why do I have to pay $6.25 for a loaf of gluten free bread? Yes I have the flours to make my own, but the experiments have failed miserably lately, sigh, I will learn with trial and error.

I wonder if being broke, I will suddenly be pushed into out and out starvation too poor to even afford the fattening cheap stuff, and finally maybe weight will fall off. Well hasn't happened yet. I'm one of those strange people who loses weight the more food and money I have. Being a celiac, and poor, is nightmare city, that diet is designed for the millionaires of the world, but I got tired of itching to death, and fear now my bowels may be destroyed beyond the breaking point. One slip up can mean a week of pain and being doubled over. Pain teaches one not to monkey around.

Eating things at the end of the month like some old veggie patties from the freezer for breakfast and having only a few dollars to spend, one's food options get very limited. Being penniless and trying to assemble meals with the fewest ingredients as possible, it's gotten harder.

I dread meal time, and sometimes it seems such a hassle, with the lactose intolerance and celiac, I'd just skip if it didnt mean passing out. I'm quite sure my doctor would not like to hear about my 3-4pm lunch times. Meals on Wheels is full of wheat and says I am too young.

Grocery costs are skyrocketing. Even when I read the working class "Cooking Quick" magazine which keeps things more basic, I think well how am I going to afford all these herbs, and my pantry is getting pretty empty. Coupons are a joke, they allow for the most sugar laden, processed crap food, there are no coupons for green peppers or rice noodles that I have ever seen.

I plan meals out for when husband shops, and exact ingredients, I have no choice but to do so. It's getting tough. Right now I am craving salad, and some plums, and more. I am making left over chicken with rice noodles and some canned bean sprouts [the fresh are almost 4 bucks here] for dinner, I had soup made with kale and carrots for lunch with sandwiches on gluten free bread. So still trying my best, but just the effort to acquire food, and make it, seems like a marathon anymore. American wages are sinking like crazy, at least we still have a roof over our head and some income coming in, but food insecurity is nothing I am new to.

That said, the food pantries, are scary as well. They are short on food now due to the growing poverty and if you have special dietary needs there is no way they will take time or even have the resources to match them. One time I got some corn, 2 packages of cookies, pasta and a box of potatoes [I'm allergic to potatoes too] from one food pantry, the only edible item for me was some apple sauce. So avoid food pantries if you can help it. Beggars can't be choosers, and they are basically bastions of starch and sugar.

But overall, the less money you have the hardest it is to eat and afford a healthy diet, I still remember this one pre-Whole Foods Health food store, I used to for a treat in a city, I lived in years ago. The hippies still ran it, this was before they sold out to Whole Foods. Scads of salad, beans, seeds, varieties of hummus, cut vegetable salads, lean meats, the place was a mecca of the healthiest tastiest food on the planet, the rare times I had money, Id go fill up on their organic salad bar and swoon it was so good!. Is it funny, I have dreams about that place, ok maybe that is showing a little food obession, but I LIKE the healthy stuff. Too bad so much of it is so expensive.

There is something new out there being called recession pounds, they are predicting that more Americans will become fatter from the Great American Depression Redeux. That definitely will happen. Read this quote:

The specter of “recession pounds” is a concern weighing on health professionals, who point to numerous studies linking obesity and unhealthy eating habits to low incomes.
They fear that as people cut food spending they will cut back on healthy but relatively expensive items such as fresh fish, fruit, vegetables and whole grains, in favor of cheaper options high in sugar and saturated fats.
“People … are going to economize and as they save money on food they will be eating more empty calories or foods high in sugar, saturated fats and refined grains, which are cheaper,” said Adam Drewnowski, the director of the Nutrition Sciences Program at the University of Washington in Seattle.


I'm buying a grow light for my apartment to grow food in the corner of the living room. Yes that is how expensive food is getting.

Saturday, August 28, 2010

My Failure to Lose [Enough?] Weight




More and more I am finding food an expensive interruption and annoyance, and tiring enterprise. Trying to eat gluten free is wiping me out and when money has been low, I've fallen off the gluten free wagon. I itch far less and my celiac skin problem is kept in check when I'm on it, but I am getting a very weird relationship with food.

Every food makes me guilty, maybe this banana is bad, maybe this bean soup I'm making for lunch with carrots and onions shouldn't have any meat at all to flavor it. Then there is the gut wrenching/blocking, asthma inducing food allergies from hell, I'll list here wheat, rye, barley, eggs, potatoes, fish, shellfish, shrimp, wine, cheese, all dairy, yogurt, eggplant, radishes and now soy which seems to make my thyroid swell up every time I eat just a little bit too much of it.

Following so many food rules, is driving me nuts too:, "don't eat any bacon, or allow it only once a month--that includes pork chops, water down juice the rare times you do drink it, only eat at meal times, etc. These are the rules that got off the 150lbs from when I was near 700lbs, along with medical treatment. People do not realize I have to work at NOT GAINING.

I don't want to cook anymore, but the hunger pain feels like its going to kill me sometimes. Over the last year, I did both Overeaters Anonymous which seemed to assume I was eating whole cakes, entire casseroles and pies, and I didn't relate to what the women talked about as they ate whole bags of cookies, and Weight Watchers--I lost only 8lbs and got the director mad at me who told me I had to be cheating. Gluten-free eating--with my pasta and bread free-life, has taken off a bit of weight up top but nothing on the bottom, but even there too much rice and corn can do a person in.

Overall this weight loss failure, will probably end my life early. When I'm dead will people will be clucking over the corpse thinking why didn't she lose weight? In my family there will be some sympathy, my severely obese nephews, have pointed to a serious problem in my genetics, but overall its embarrassing. Normal adults can go on a diet and lose weight, I note that the 200lbers while they may regain some weight are not going up up up. They lose their 40-50lbs and at least get to enjoy near normal hood for a while. No one would ever believe in a million years, that a 500lb woman goes running to her bedroom panicked over gaining weight, because she ate a $4.25 Chinese lunch twice this week, and measures herself. Well the Chinese food even free of the fried stuff and gluten is going off the menu too, its making me feel sick. The measurements now are at 54 bust, waist 60 [it can drop to 55 when there is less water on my body] and hips at 84. I still remember my peak measurement of 103 inch hips.

It's getting to the point where I want to just skip meals and NOT eat anymore. Everything is just gross, but the HUNGER kicks in, and when you feel your brain melting, your hands tingling and your vision going wonky because its 3pm and you haven't eaten lunch and your nurse practitioner says you need to quit doing that after she finds you lethargic due to putting off lunch, you really have no choice but to.

Trying to buy food, too it stinks, everything healthy takes hours of cooking. Sometimes I enjoy it but other times, there are others thing I need to be doing, like art work. Meal planning is a normal facet of life, but feels like a part time job lately. I am not disabled due to great health, and spending hours in the kitchen, is no fun either, I actually found myself boiling and rolling cabbage rolls hurriedly at 4:00pm because I needed a wholesome cooked meal, realizing I cannot get a decent healthy meal at any of the restaurants around here. If your food budget is under 20 dollars a person, everything is a bread and cheese laden mess. Jaime Oliver needs to start addressing that FACET of the dieting life. Someone please open up a cheaper "health food" restaurant.

If I could give up eating all together lately I would. Its getting that bad. Sorry for this rant. Everyone hears about the weight loss winners, very few will admit when they are failing at it or losing far too little. Any advice, Ill take it. I know one has to remain positive to keep going, but I do not feel positive at all about this facet of life, even if I have other good things going on.

Wednesday, February 9, 2011

Diabetes Frightens Me

The other day, my general practitioner told me I have to go to a diabetes specialist. I'm scheduled to go in a couple weeks. Some scary things about me and diabetes. She wasn't too happy to take a sugar about 45 minutes after I ate--non fasting, that blew the 260 mark.

When I eat less carbs, the sugars go up, when I eat too little, the sugars go up, when I exercise, the sugars go up. It makes a person think what am I supposed to do? I have only "gone out of control" twice,and they say they want to make me wait for insulin. The A1c for me usually averaged around 6.8. Now its 7.3. I'm already on a ton of meds. Life gets awful when your doctor says "You have to go to the endocrinologist and diabetes doctor, so they can figure out new meds or adjust them!"

Taking blood sugars, you think of your eye balls being eaten, and kidneys failing, 145, 167, 176...this week's list of numbers that condemn, and inside my brain is that little voice...[left over from years of abuse being fat]..."This is happening because you failed to lose enought weight, you fat so and so"! "How dare you eat anything!" But then from years of trial and error, not eating jacks up the sugars too, because the liver dumps insulin, and that gives high readings as well.

Even in the doctors eyes, you imagine them thinking "That fat person needs to stop eating those cartons of ice cream and 5 hamburgers at a sitting"[well I'm not] but you can tell they are thinking it. One doctor told me to give up the chocolate and cheese years ago. They see it as a failure on your part. Diabetes the disease that condemns the fat. Sometimes I think I'd be happier saying to heck with it all, but then that is when the infections start.

I am hoping to get it back under control but it so so tiring. I've been a controlled diabetic on meds except for 2 [now on the second time] periods ever since 2001,when they told me I became diabetic. Last month, I was sick as a dog due to digestion and hated food, probably ate far less then usual, and tested for having high sugars. That is one irony with me, I've figured out.

I have friends who have had diabetes and have said forget it, given up caring, and walked around with fasting blood sugars in the 200s for a time. Doctors world over talk about those who neglect diabetes, fat me was even once told I was one of his most vigilant patients. I can understand WHY they do it. There you are having a happy day, you take a blood sugar, it's high and your day is no longer happy and carefree. I still can feel my feet, and my sores still heal, but the whole thing just stinks.

Doctors really do not realize that what fuels my ever-vigilance, is fear of going blind, I am already deaf, I do not want to enter Helen Keller land. Diabetes sucks, it's like living with little time bombs in your blood. Ironically fear and stress raises diabetes. Even Mayo Clinic admits we are stressing out. Well I pray to God to help me with the worry but it's not good, you can be sitting watching TV, and there comes on diabetes commercial one after another to remind you of this dastardly disease.

Being housebound in winter isn't helping the exercise equation though I try to walk a little each day, and do arm exercises.

I found out, I am not a celiac, my skin condition remains undiagnosed and continued even with wheat-free diet for months. It helped me lose a little weight, but past that not much. I am wondering if it's something else. I have realized that if I eat too few carbs, my sugars go up. [stay away from processed ones]

When it comes to this body, its always been like an out of control monster, that does what it wants anyway. Just staying alive shouldn't take so much work. I know my history of insulin resistance and severe PCOS plays into this picture. It just gets so tiring.

One friend who spent years around severely obese told me if I manage to live long enough, she has seen severely fat people with diabetes lose weight and become thin, from illness. Not exactly the way you want to do it.

I bought a herb that is supposed to lower blood sugar [a little bit worried about how it may interact with diabetes drugs so still checking it out], and have done the cider vinegar and cinnamon thing.

Thursday, July 22, 2010

Are Fat People Hungrier?




While I do believe that fat has its genetic and endocrine causes, with the food intake thing, while there are thin people filling up their carts with endless sugary and bad food, and I watch someone who weighs 200lbs less then me gobble up a pint of vanilla ice cream every night, I mull over my weight loss failures, and the growling stomach that never leaves me alone. Is it all laziness, low will power or something more? One friend is on that diet, I describe here. The other night she sent me what she is allowed to eat on the 500 calorie diet, it includes raw veggies and strips of meat no bigger then an index finger. With guilt, I ponder the realities, I'd be crawling the walls, and my vision probably would be going in and out by the end of the day.

Lack of willpower, shame, physical hunger, boredom, migraine headaches, stomach pain, almost every fat person in the world knows what the diet is like. My own experiences include severe spells of hypoglycemia, once ironically ending up on floor of a grocery store, after eating carbohydrate free on the Atkin's diet, the bowl of Brussels sprouts for lunch didn't quite do it, and learning that if I went 6 hours without food or certain types of food, my vision would start doing funny things, hands would go numb, panic attacks and total physical melt-downs would be the result. Unlike most fat people I never have succeeded in losing any weight on a diet. Yes I say that as someone that has lost more then what some people weigh. It seems with me, happiness, medical treatment, less stress, better food, activity, and maybe now treating my celiac problems has been the best way of it coming off, rather then playing Russian Roulette with my blood sugar. That said, I'm still far too huge, but am not interested in another starve myself diet, where I get too hungry, fall off, and get filled with self-loathing, guilt and more stress.

But I've come to this theory that fat people have more hunger, whatever physical processes are happening in the body, while I know the average thin person can skip breakfast, eat an apple at lunch and then call it a day getting a decent dinner with minor discomfort, by 11:30 am, I'm bowled over with growling stomach pain, feelings of unwellness, and thoughts of food. Is this addiction or just a body crying out? During the days, before I was diagnosed with diabetes and severe insulin resistance [related to endocrine disorders already discussed], I would try to discuss these problems with doctors, "Doctor I feel unwell when you want me to eat 900 calories a day" but would only get the rolling eyes, with the attitude, that I, the fat person spoke out of irresponsibility, laziness and a desire to stay fat. Have any considered that fat people are hungrier and this is one of the core components of weight loss failure?

This is one of the ignored, suppressed, questions out there. A few scientists dabble in studies regarding satiety and the use of leptin, with the theory that overweight people are resistant to it. But more answers are needed. Even the scientific studies shimmer with the same fat hating, assumptions of chosen gluttony. The endless failures of weight loss are related to this piece of the puzzle definitely.

Tuesday, January 25, 2011

The Show: Heavy


Last night I watched this new show on A&E called Heavy. The blank faced traumatized looking woman on their ad banner bugs me. I have conflicted emotions about it. The premise of the show is that they take fat people to this spa, where they are taught to exercise, eat right, and given therapy for a month, then they are to go home and continue the program to lose weight. I watched the show that had Jessica who weighted 289 and Ricky who weighed 555 lbs at the start. [and also part of another that show Tom and Jodi.]

Jessica talked about how she couldn't play with her kids nor keep up. In the high 200s, yes people get exhausted. Ricky, admitted he was a food addict and said "There is no off switch with my brain when it comes to food". Definitely some sort of satiety disorder there, those levels of hunger are not normal. Jodi admits having had a stroke giving her the impetus to lose weight. I think her health problems to have had a stroke that young are far more complex then the obesity but wonder if the doctors are looking into it? Tom is seriously overweight with bad lymphedema.

The therapists and trainers did seem to care about their charges. I am not sure how much the psychological affected them. I wanted to know more about Ricky's mother, was she fat too? Was this an inherited problem by any chance? He blamed himself for too much. One could tell he was broken hearted, I do think when he got angry, and yelled, he was just asking for some space, that was not good timing on part of the trainer to approach him just seconds after walking out of therapy, dealing with the death of his mother.

They taught them some good advice, like stay out out of the middle section of grocery store. One can be trained to shop, and it helped me, though it didn't solve all my problems. I do think that healthier food is far harder to come by, for me to maintain a celiac diet and manage my food allergies, grocery shopping is like a military campaign, I can take 45 minutes to write a list of a 100 dollars worth of food items for husband. One thing these programs need to tell people how hard it really is and not hold back, I related to Ricky being overwhelmed in the grocery store, I'm still overwhelmed, so much junk and so much digging to get to the good stuff. Should an apple cost a dollar each? At the smaller store here, they do.

One thing one can tell from this show, the social outcomes of obesity are severe, all the fat people you could tell felt ostracized from society and like they didn't fit in. They all spoke of things they faced in life such as Ricky admitting he can't go out because people laugh at him. Jodi's rather cold husband admitted he was on the verge of leaving her, and she quit singing for a rock band, being embarrassed about her size which I thought was sad, but have felt some of the same emotions. Tom admitted not dating for years and years and seemed to live the typical very lonely severely fat person's life, though in his case his brothers do help him. I didn't get the show's claim that he had not seen a doctor in 15 years, how did he make his living?, he had to be on disability.

We weren't told about what their real diet was while fat, Ricky was shown eating a sandwich, but then that would be the normal diet of thin people around him even if they gave us the gratuitous camera shot of him taking a big bite, music and all. Were all the 6 greasily baked pork chops for him? The three packages of stuffing were a bit much. During the second show [this one with 628lb Tom Arnold and 366lb Jodi], they showed him ordering 6 junior burgers and 3 spicy chicken nuggets and eating them all.

I've addressed this issue on this blog "Are Fat People Hungrier?, how much of this driving hunger comes from a psychological or lack of will power but something awry physiologically in the body?

They didn't go in much detail about what they fed them at the center. I found myself thinking a few mixed greens with a sprinkle of green beans and vinaigrette wasn't much of a lunch. Where was the protein? It would have done nothing to keep my blood sugar going if that's all they got.

Ricky had the leg that was dark red and leaking fluid, by the way when you are at that point, you have an infection, I have been hospitalized for over a week for a leg that looked only half that bad and hadn't broke out leaking. I was literally frightened for him, because blood poisoning via cellulitis is a reality, and I've almost lost my life to it shooting up to 105.5 degree fever. How he managed not to succumb to weakness shocked me, he must have moved into the chronic stage, I am glad his leg looked better by the end of the show. [Mine has improved, I used to have 6-7 infections a year, but only had one so far in the last 14 months]. By the way, they gave a false snippet of information, where they said lymphedema was caused by obesity, thin people get lymphedema from different conditions, where their limbs swell up. Obesity can exacerbate lymphedema but is not its sole cause.

The thing that most disturbed me about the show, was the bootcamp exercise and the tears of frustration, pain and misery. Taking fat people who have barely moved from 0-60 in one day seems dangerous to me! The show was heavily advertised this way, showing us groaning, straining, literally bawling out of pain and distressed fat people. This alarmed me greatly. How did any of these fat people avoid going to the hospital? By the way when someone is throwing up [and I've done it from over-exertion] that means you are about to be in the emergency room. How do the extremely obese ones keep from swelling from congestive heart failure? [Most people above a certain size, retain tons of fluids from the heart not being able to keep up, in fact this more then anything limits the degree of exercise I can do] During the second show Jodi is barfing. Part of me thinks, you know a lot of thin people are just thin, via eating normally and doing a nice job on the treadmill, they aren't puking their guts out, wailing and turning red. One thing Ive said in my case, if I could burn it all off without ending up dead, I would. One seemed to have some type of exercise induced asthma.

I think fat people should exercise, I make myself walk the length of my large apt building everyday [just 18 months ago, I couldn't do this], because I fear losing mobility from being housebound due to cold, and lift cans for weights at least once a day. If I did the level of exercise they showed these fat people doing, the paramedics would have needed called--my physical therapist, had to stop me a few times, and I'm not kidding. Someone could say well maybe they are in better shape then you, with your bad lungs, cardiomyopathy and multiple conditions, but they showed at least one of the fat people with their multitudes of pills. One thing about me, before my severe fast weight gain, as late as 1995, I used to walk for FUN and knew I walked at least 2-3 miles if not more on many occasions.

That said, there is something disturbing about watching people put through the gauntlet so bad, they are crying. Is this the answer to obesity, for trainers to get that whip out, act as drill sargents and literally force the fat to "feel the burn". Aren't fat people punished enough in this life?
It seems all the "solutions entail more suffering" not less. There is a problem with that. Some of them seemed to be risky serious injury. I thought in the fitness community, the misleading "no pain, no gain" ethos had been left behind.

This is something that always bothered me about The Biggest Loser. Is exercise supposed to be life threatening and painful? One thing I pick up on when it comes to the fat, pain and torture seems to be the responses from this society, "let us cut your stomach out, let us make you do so much exercise you start barfing in the bathroom". Something is really wrong with that equation. To be frank, the levels of exercise on this show seem dangerous to me. Why did my physical therapists treat me so differently?

This fitness blogger writes about Jillian Michaels [from a different show], who I think is downright abusive to her charges so I don't watch any show she is on. He brings up the point what good is exercise that brings injury to the obese? I was happy to see some personal trainers on this website that get it. Wish I had money to hire one. At least the show Heavy as far as I have seen, hasn't made anyone run, but it brings up good points.

One thing I noticed too, is a lot of the weight gain in the different parties, seems triggered by stress, [I address that here: "Is Stress Making Everyone Fat?"] such as in the case of Ricky losing his mother and being overwhelmed. Why doesn't anyone ever talk about this facet of weight?

I am glad they lose weight, and seem to do better. The show has inspired me to try and add more exercise in my life though I will have to do things differently. In Ricky's case, his greatest test will be living at home with a family that obviously will not be eating the same diet, Jessica being more moderately obese and the one managing the kitchen, has a greater chance of success. But over all I find myself thinking, are these solutions really going to work? Why doesn't anyone get more to the core root of the hunger problems and the bad food this society is awashed in? Most severely obese people are never going to be able to afford a month in a nice spa with day to day personal trainers. I told someone the other day, they'd be opening gyms with affordable HEALTHY training and physical therapy for fat people all over, and make healthy food more widely available and less expensive if they really wanted to deal with the obesity epidemic.

My other worry about this show, is it promotes the same failed solutions we have seen so far, no I am not against people trying to lose weight or following exercise programs, but isn't this the same stuff that has failed all these years when looking at long term projections? It promotes the majority of the world's belief that if the fat people just got off their lazy duffs, they would be thin. If this was true, Wouldn't all fat people just go join the gym, eat healthy and be done? It makes the viewers think obesity has simple solutions, and that everyone can follow this formula and be a thin person for the rest of their life. I am hoping all the parties succeed, but I've seen other fat people lose for a time, get gung-ho dedicating hours at the gym, but one thing, just a slight let-up on this intense work, and the weight will come back. Have seen it happen time and time again. Does this mean these people are all "lazy failures" or that something else is in operation?

I will have more comments on this show as it continues......

Friday, August 12, 2011

Staying Alive Shouldn't Take so Much Work, But Herbs, Vitamins and Organic Food Helps!


I study a lot of herbal medicine. It has helped keep me alive, in my teens, I conquered even a skin problem using comfrey compresses and grew a comfrey plant behind my parents house. I am using B-vitamin drops and due to recurring thrush, from using ADVAIR--[an inhaler for lungs], I know I am going to have to swish some colloidal silver in my mouth, I have never ingested colloidal silver--there can be the side affect of turning blue LOL, but have used it on skin ulcers with great success. However if the day ever came where the antibiotics failed for my leg, I would take some internally. There are books, where you can grow your own herbs, even in your apt, and just got one from the library and very pleased to have it. Our food is being adulterated. Right now, an overhaul of the lifestyle seems in order, but some of us try our best with what resources we have.

One thing I did discover, and this is going to sound really odd, is that I am allergic to MSG, or something that occurs more in processed food, and food eaten at cheaper restaurants. I made the HUGE mistake of eating some less then spicy chili, at a local restaurant and spent 4 days barfing and unable to eat but the bare minimum. When one is diabetic and has gone without food for 18 hours where water doesn't even stay down, things get scary. This used to happen all the time, now maybe once every three-four weeks, due to a slip up of some kind. Eating at a fast food restaurant means I will get very sick...it doesn't matter what it is.

Some thing people would be crying to have to eat at my house, there is no dairy in here, pizza is a foregone conclusion, and being allergic to eggs, potatoes and fish means none of those foods are in here either. Add to that, having to stay from all high fat foods-- so I am not barfing my guts out means a pretty rigid diet, but I do like to make tasty vegetable soups. This means having to cook everything from scratch though I can get the occasional Japanese noodles that are pre-made and a certain brand of vegetarian stir fry sauce with no MSG or fish sauce added to it.

The doctors say severe IBS, I made the decision to forgo a colonoscopy for now. Other possibilities are Crohn's or maybe even gall bladder disease but all the the pain is far lower down. In my case because of other health problems, any surgery has a very high death risk, this means I have to do what I can, to maintain my life. In other words, I have to weight the risks and do my best. I did have a blood occult test to make sure I was NOT bleeding inside and that was negative. What is odd is I can go from normal for even couple weeks, to full blown feeling like I am going to die. The fatigue is bad when the bowel stuff hits too. For years I have had serious food allergies, that have gone way beyond that of normal people and even tried a celiac gluten free diet for an entire year to see if that would help my problems and it did not. If any of my readers have suffered anything like this, please share.

One thing I am doing is switch more to organic food. I can't eat processed so this has been a natural outcome. All I can tell you is that it tastes FAR FAR SUPERIOR, I do not know why, but it does. Eating spaghetti sauce I have had reactions, but a can of organic tomato sauce is far better. The organic chicken has such superior taste, I ate some chicken burgers last night I made with ground organic chicken, I can't even explain how much better they are. This stuff costs money but wanting to stay alive is a great motivator.

I wish I could afford a 100% organic diet, but food allergies and more are pushing me into a different way of life via necessity. It takes work to eat this way, I have to plan every meal carefully, eating out for me is dangerous so often prepackage sandwiches and fruits for any trip where a meal would be required.

This is a very interesting article that deals with that issue, the affordability and availability of fresh and good food. I have realized where I live most of the restaurants except the most expensive ones, and one good Chinese one, where they use no MSG, that the quality of the food is negotiable. One thing I have noticed is acquiring good food, especially in the ready-made markets is near impossible. Some towns are more fortunate and have health food stores and better resources. We do have some good fruit and veggie markets which is a blessing.

Whole Paycheck and Organic Food Deserts: The Challenge

Saturday, January 17, 2026

I weigh 465 now

 Some weight seems to be coming off. Gluten free may have changed some things. I do get scared, one little thing can make it go back up. The kidneys are still doing better to point I don't have to take as many kidney tests anymore. What did Celiac DO to me all these years? If I can get to the lower 400s, it would help functionality quite a bit. I have noticed hunger is not as bad as an issue, I can still get hunger pain at times I don't want it. I haven't been in the 460s since 2013 and the main reason for that loss was throwing up from kidney problems. I was around 450lbs when I had my 250lb weight loss in 2002 down from 700lbs. This metabolism has never been normal. I don't expect to ever be thin, impossible in this body, but smaller at all will make things easier, and that weight loss from medical treatment saved my life back then and gave me 25 plus more years. 

Saturday, December 11, 2010

My Body Does Not Work Like Yours



One thing about me, people don't know is I credit God more with keeping me alive then medical science, and avoid going to the hospital unless I'm acutely dying. I hate the hospital and while I have liked a couple doctors [my present nurse practitioner, and previous doctor from Ghana, are among my favorites], the impersonal and dehumanized part of medicine freaks me out. I believe it is prayer that has kept me going this long. Even two weeks ago, I had my digestion totally check out, to the tune of where bowel cancer seemed to be on the list, and I was hunched over in pain, feeling like I was going to die. Now it's 9-10 days later, and I have had normal digestion for 8 days. How did that happen? I thought my bowels were forever ruined. Sometimes you just have to ask God what is wrong, pray for help and then figure out what to do. Trial and error, has allowed me to figure out wheat is bad to the bone [along with diagnosis of my celiac skin condition, all eggs must be forever removed from the diet, and all dairy. If I did not do these things I believe I would be long ago dead. Just eating one smidgen of hard boiled egg or eating some spaghetti sauce with cheese added [why on earth are they pouring cheese into everything nowadays?] is enough for hours of extreme abdominal pain. In my 20s, I was in and out of the hospital for severe asthma attacks over and over until I figured out I was allergic to potatoes! [knowledge like that is literally life saving]. I have already talked about my story of weighing almost 700lbs after a huge weight gain and stepping away from the brink of death. I am losing some weight recently, I lose it in the "thin parts first and the face" which is weird, visions of looking like an orange [or better metaphor may be a basketball, LOL] with toothpicks sticking out of it swim in my head.

People find my view of medical science odd, but before in life, I told one lady her daughter showed every sign of a pituitary tumor and in her case she got diagnosed. Too many medicos have become linear thinkers and do not look at the "whole picture", also lowest common denominator medicine does not work, right now I found myself telling a friend who is in her early 40s, they cannot blame severe muscle and joint pain and pulmonary blood clots [at that age!] just on smoking. The smoking does not help but something else is going on!

Being severely obese you have to stay in tune with yourself to stay alive. I took a walk today where I threw out a knee, yes 500lb me does attempt to exercise and I have a rule about taking at least one 500-1000 foot walk a day, Why? to make sure I still can! This includes during housebound days taking 10 length up and down the apartment hall when the hallways are too cold. To a normal thin person it is nothing, but I was able to get it back in, and have some of the swelling go down. It takes me a lot of work, to keep myself going. Anyone who looks at me and says YOU HAVE TOTAL CONTROL OF YOUR HEALTH, is insane. The only control I have is praying to God and asking for His help. I'd love them to be me for a couple of days and figure it out for themselves. My body DOES NOT WORK LIKE YOURS!

"Conspiracy Theory" and Fat; Asking Some Hard Questions



I found this interesting video the other day, tell me what you think. Yes it is on what people call the "conspiracy theory" side of things, you may not agree with everything he brings up, but there is some really creepy things going on with our food! Profit and greed explains a lot of it, but why so many chemicals?. I found his comment about it being some of the substances being poured into our food, being made illegal in other countries to quite revealing, on this blog I have shared my theories about growth hormone already. I found this video on a website, that describes what they think is happening.

Some of these hard questions do need answered. For example why are none of the obesity epidemic researchers who are MAINSTREAM even honestly dealing with the facts of how the American diet has been switched over to being corn based, especially high fructose corn syrup which was used formerly to fatten livestock! In this article he states:

Today, 75% of foods in the grocery store contain at least one corn-based ingredient. Guess what corn does? It makes you fat. That's why cows are fed so much corn; it beefs them up so there's more meat to profit from

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Then there is the GMOs, and other chemicals. GMO food they have successfully snuck in food with altered DNA, into the food supply, maybe this is some of the cause of rising rates of food allergies and celiac...

So much of our population is getting sick, fat, and just in bad shape. Some of my elderly friends have told me people in their 20s, 30s and 40s are far sicker and chronically ill [even the thin ones] then they were when they were young. I personally know so many people in their early 40s, with cancer it is shocking. While medicine has had some advances, the life expectancy rates in America ARE DROPPING.

I don't buy the normal calories in, calories out onus put on the obese. We have become a sick people. The food has less nutrition. I am telling my husband we need to grow some of our own food and consider getting into a living space where there is either a patio or a small yard instead of an apt without any because anything decent costs so much money but financial pressures leave this change undone.

Our food is being turned into a bunch of toxic trash. I pay $6.00 bucks for a loaf of gluten free bread. I have scary food allergies that have only gotten worse. In cooking things from scratch, one can do better, but now even basic foods like spaghetti sauce have the corn syrup and crap poured in. Buy a package of hummus and you get some yummy sodium benzoate for your trouble, I found it very fascinating its used for fireworks manufacturing too.


One thing about me people may figure out reading this, blog, I do ask some of the hard questions, I am not someone brainwashed by Jenny Craig and or the powers that be that profit off endless human suffering. I believe I stayed alive this long, because I refused to be brushed off, and go home and shut my brain off--[in regards to my 400lb weight gain] where doctors told me I was to blame and to go home and "diet". What a joke before I was diagnosed with severe endocrine problems!

Just even the most basic research brings up some scary things, MSG is one of them. Why is that being poured into almost every food product? Read this article and DO NOT MISS THE SCIENTIFIC STUDIES LISTED TOWARDS THE BOTTOM:


He made an amazing discovery while going through scientific journals for a book he was writing called The Slow Poisoning of America. In hundreds of studies around the world, scientists were creating obese mice and rats to use in diet or diabetes test studies.

No strain of rat or mice is naturally obese, so the scientists have to create them. They make these morbidly obese creatures by injecting them with MSG when they are first born. The MSG triples the amount of insulin the pancreas creates, causing rats (and humans?) to become obese; they even have a title for the race of fat rodents they create: “MSG-Treated Rats,,,,,,,, MSG”?

I was shocked too. I went to my kitchen, checking the cupboards and the fridge. MSG was in everything! The Campbell’s soups, the Hostess Doritos, the Lays flavored potato chips, Top Ramen, Betty Crocker Hamburger Helper, Heinz canned gravy, Swanson frozen prepared meals, Kraft salad dressings, especially the ‘healthy low fat’ ones. The items that didn’t have MSG had something called Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein, which is just another name for Monosodium Glutamate. It was shocking to see just how many of the foods we feed our children everyday are filled with this stuff. They hide MSG under many different names in order to fool those who catch on.

It's there. Try avoiding any of these chemicals, its nearly impossible. By the way, the more expensive a food, the less chemicals, interesting huh?






Wednesday, June 25, 2025

"It's Something Else"

 


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I agree with this poster. It is something else. The food is so full of chemicals it's scary. You wonder what they are putting in things. There's more reports of people moving to Europe and eating the same amount of food and losing weight. I'm having to cook from scratch a lot, for the sake of gluten free. Food isn't always perfect as I sometimes have to get what is available in food boxes and food pantries, however I make sure everything is gluten free. 

 One thing I am noticing lately, is processed food makes me sick almost immediately. That worsened. These foods were even gluten-free and I still got ill. Processed food is rare for me but something I have to approach with major caution. I do have to cook more since going gluten free, and this includes odd foods like buckwheat flour which is gluten free. Yesterday I made rice noodles with chicken and veg and made a garbanzo bean curry with Indian spices and yogurt at lunch.  Cracker Barrel is one restaurant, that I had to stop eating at years ago, because of health effects I had. I didn't eat there too often, but once got some coupons there, in a contest. Burger King for me, means instant illness, I ate a chicken sandwich there about 15 years ago and it was a nightmare. There is something really wrong with our food. 

They are on to something with American's not just being fat but swollen. Our lives here are inflammatory to the max. 

I weighed 482 last week. Most people would probably have lost 100lbs from gluten free/food reduction from food insecurity. Obviously my metabolism has never been normal, at least the weight is not going up. I have hunger pain now and I ate eggs with mushrooms and gluten free bread at breakfast.  CICO to me, is still a joke. Other people with Celiac disease have told me, the intestines can take a year to heal. I am still eating gluten free and hit the 6th month marker. My kidney stones are far far less. My blood pressure has come down. My digestion did change and become more regular though I can still get IBS. It dropped the A1C too.

Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Sick



I've been sick a lot lately. This time my digestive system has definitely checked out for good. I had two leg infections followed by severe digestive problems, possibly sparked off by the antibiotics, but I have been feeling weak and tired a lot for the last couple of months with my mind dreading all the possibilities. Hey I never claimed this would be a "happy to be fat" blog.

What is scary, is the amount of food intake due to illness has been down to the floor, and well, I am still hugely fat. But then I've asked to be put in the lab for years for them to figure out what is wrong with me and to have the possibility of some medical hope. The last few doctors I've had, have admitted metabolic problems, but could you eat less then 400 calories a day with the most of the intake for the sake of blood sugars and maintain your weight for two weeks?

I suppose I could go to the hospital and say "Find out what is wrong with me" but my track record has not been the best when it comes to the medical world. I'm giving it three days or so, and if I am not better, I will go over there. At least there won't be as much life-risking cold to deal with. There were times, that being able to keep pills down and water was the only line keeping me from going in. At least I am not throwing up as much and the tear-inducing bowel pain is over with from what I can tell.

Hey I don't need weight loss surgery, I'm puking just as much as one of them!

Isn't that what they do to fat people make you sick on purpose to become thin? Hey guys for me it's not working. My bowels do not work anymore. I suppose I should try and find another gastroenterologist, which I dread. Since I was still functional and bowel problems only intermittent 4 years ago, I went with the severe IBS diagnosis and did okay trying to avoid foods I was allergic to. During this time I sought to outrule celiac and went on a gluten free diet and that did not work. Overall I only got sick once a month for a day or two. With all the medications I am on and food allergies, I thought I could handle it. I had a lot of normal days.

I hate food. Most of it is gross. I dread eating. I don't want to eat today. I wish I could eat NOTHING and not end up on the floor. The grocery store is full of cheese and dairy laden, processed to death crap. I live in a health food desert. Yes I am a fat woman with a digestive system that no longer works. What will happen? Will it turn me thin? Well it's not. And that is the strange thing about it all.

Sorry no "healthy and fat" words of encouragement. My advice, if you cross the 250lb mark and leave the plump and hearty but can still move a couch world, do what you can for your health. Don't end up like me. I am tired, scared and worn out.  I am praying a lot. To those like Marilyn Wann, I do not even exist. She will walk by the already dying in their scooters and tell the world how great it is to be fat. What a joke!

This body was a run away freight train from the depths of Hades from the start. I have fought to stay alive all these years, but now I am tired. Does that make sense?

Now I have to dig up 20 bucks somewhere for some probotics, I can afford in a last gasp hope to at least get through the week.  Yeah they have succeeded in destroying people's bowels with their crap food and GMOs. I hope it's not cancer. I can't survive surgery and I do not have the options that normal people have, remember. Well at least I have the strength left to post this.

Ok my doctor just called me, thank goodness, he told me there is a flu epidemic going on in my area and I told him, how I almost ended up in the hospital from throwing up. He thinks the antibiotic I was on and am now off of, caused my intestinal and digestive havoc. I checked my sugar while he was on the phone, it was 144. [probably on rebound since I've been up for three hours and haven't eaten anything or taken any pills] He also told me that Meformin can cause some of the bowel problems. He is a nice guy so glad I was able to talk to him.


Update 1/25: It's kidney stones and they can create havoc with the digestive system too including vomiting and more. The doctors are running more tests, I had them pass two days in a row and analyzing the stones at the lab. 

Monday, February 3, 2025

They Burn Down Your Life: The Financial Destruction of Scapegoats

 Ah, money, the bane of many people's existence, there is always a lack of the green stuff. It's not easy.  I've written about being poor here for years.  Dealing with personal poverty is one of the least talked about topics on earth. No one wants to admit it. You are supposed to hide it and go away in shame. I don't think I even have ever seen a website or blog where someone has talked about it, though you can find reddit posts on it. It is taboo. No one writes about being poor. No one talks about it. Probably most sink under the waves into substance abuse, depressive silence and many do not have access to the internet. Often there is the feeling of speaking to an empty room. No one wants to know. Many hide poverty out in the world. It ruined my life. I was unable to solve it. Some may say well you managed some art shows and you aren't in the streets, maybe that's some success but I don't think normal people wake up everyday, always having a feeling of fear. That never seems to go away. My relatives were never afraid. Their lives were an easy street. 

Book learning came easy but the "doing of things" always wiped me out with the endless details, with the body that can barely move. How much of my poverty came from the environment I was born in? How much did the abuse cause? Some of us ACONs know we have been set up. Whether this is a prison planet or not, it's like someone took a giant rubber stamp and stamped POOR on our foreheads. "No Soup for you! No money for you! Get in the back of the line!" The worse part of scapegoating can be how your abusers burn down your life. Some of us can struggle with poverty our entire lives. If you are a scapegoat, you are more likely to be poor. 

One weird memory came floating back to me, my parents are driving through this wealthy university town in my state. I'm in the 9th grade, and they start saying as we drive by these luxurious ivy-covered mansions to me, "You'll never have that!". It was so strange, like what kind of people say that to a teen? I remember crying a few times that day, and they yelled at me once telling me my grades [my GPA was about a 3.4/3.5] weren't good enough to get into that university. I often got yelled at for failure that hadn't even happened yet. I liked to read already.  Indoctrinating your kid into being a post capitalism slave with no free thought about the system sucks! There was never any encouragement only discouragement. Wouldn't it be better to tell your bookworm kid, study hard and maybe one day you can be in these hallowed halls? 

Today, I got a box of things for us to sell on ebay from a friend, I'm reheating leftovers for dinner, and three new medical bills came in the mail. The hospital wants 70 more dollars. Fortunately they incorporated that amount into my 25.00 a month payment plan.  I owe some other doctor 27 dollars, another one 34 dollars. I'm drowning in bills. I need new underwear and a new windshield on our van, and don't have money for either. 

 Elon Musk who believes all the homeless are "violent addicts", wants to cut every government benefit. He also wants to flood America with cheap H-B1 labor from India. He probably can't wait to impose a new caste system here. I like Indian immigrants, they are nice people, but why isn't our government trying to get Americans jobs? I don't think the poor and working class are going to get a break in America anytime soon. The only politician who even mentioned our existence, Bernie, got side-lined for good. The woke don't care about the broke as my one poem said and the Republican party just wants to push us all into the gutter with a giant shovel. 

Will I end up homeless one day? I worry about it. The way things are going far more Americans will end up in tent cities. Many are already there. The city I lived in during college and a few years after now has endless tent cities along the rail line. That place was already overwhelmed by the homeless in the 1990s. There's no stopping the billionaire oligarchs who seem to want to turn us all into slaves. DOGE may shut down some government waste, but they aren't going to cut the endless wars, they are going after the disabled and poor like usual. America is in severe financial trouble. There are a lot of people suffering out there. We are ruled by narcissists and psychopaths, who have no empathy for the growing despair. It's like living in a narcissist family on the macro level now. 

Mommy Doesn't Want You Making Any Money

When I was around 14 years old, I wanted to join a young person's entrepreneur club. It was the Jaycees and they were going to teach us how to save and invest money. We were going sell these big plastic buckets, made into small stools and storage containers. The club was in the downtown of my medium town. The bus went there but I talked my mother into a ride down there. I had a paper-route as a kid but we had moved from a big city to a fly-over medium sized town. I was dependent on sporadic spending money and needed more steady income. This group was great! After just two meetings, my mother told me, she wasn't going to take me anymore. I said, "Fine, I will take the bus!" but she refused to let me to take the bus. I should have disobeyed!

Goodbye entrepreneur club and learning to make money! This was a long held regret. She had no problem taking my brother for years to his downtown freemasonry for boys club [Demolay], but when it came to my needs, the answer was always "No". Lack of rides really impacted my life young especially after we moved to the medium sized town and lived on the outskirts of everything. Unless it was within 5 miles and biking distance, I didn't get to go.  If only those money lessons had happened! Years later, I would read books on how to "make" money and how to invest, but I never had money to carry any of that stuff out.  The expendable income wasn't there. Two years later, I would be in my dead-end restaurant jobs, and on the way to the financial failures of my adulthood.

I'm not sure what is wrong when it comes to money and me. I just don't know how to make it. There's never enough of it.  We sell things probably more than the average person, my husband runs the ebay but its really only pin money.  Some seem to have it rain down on them. I worked hard, my 60 hour work weeks just led to illness. My husband worked 10-14 hour newspaper days to end up on the edge. My exhaustion was intense. The same energy was never there. Social Security is now so little money after inflation. It scares me. Some disabled people can go work part time. I'm not one of them. Just two hours sitting up wears me out. I write in bed, this article took weeks. I'm getting older and slowing down so the time to figure this all out has run out. 

When you are disabled so many things cost money. I'm worried about $300 I owe the hospital.  Three other doctors, I owe around 30 bucks too for a total of $90 and there's a $100 bill for my CPAP and nebulizer company. I need $30-40 for some needed supplements soon. You have to eat special foods, like falafel, lettuce, fresh vegetables and lean meats that cost more money. The functional doctor says I have Celiac Disease, more on that later but that means more money for special foods. I paid off the electric company from last year on a payment plan but trying to keep the heat low in an attempt to keep from ending up in the same hole. I wanted to maintain our heat at only 62/63 degrees but after freezing too much and husband saying it made him feel ill, even with us in blankets, we compromised at 64-66 degrees. The evening is always the coldest, it gets dark, and I'm chilly for a few hours, even with the blankets. It still hit $250 for this month. It was $60 dollars for the month of October when I needed no heating and no cooling. 

My subsidized housing hasn't come up. Its worrying. People are holding on to whatever housing they can get, and the numbers of the homeless and more are skyrocketing. If a place is nice, and this one is, they don't want to leave. We will keep waiting for it. I still consider moving to a cheaper apartment but I was going to move to the subsidized housing town for the sake of the great housing to start with. Otherwise why start over just to move into a dumpy place? I like my present apartment, so staying here is not punishment for me as long as we can afford it but we definitely need subsidized housing long term. One social worker, he meant well, told me to go to a bigger city but bigger cities have far more competition and longer waiting lists. The housing isn't nice little apartments in a park but big towers. I've looked around everywhere. I still think it is crazy even if we both are just on Social Security, we will cross the cut-off line for HUD. So I am limited to a minority of places with more specialized programs.  

I told husband maybe we should move into a cheaper private apartment, I looked in one poorer town, everything at the $800-900 mark, was only 400-500 square feet, I need air conditioning to stay alive, there's no laundry of course, stairs and disability access are a major problem too. Some have the doorways that hit the toilet, better be under 200lbs to even fit on the toilet. Many of these apartments are in old houses and are privately owned. He says he doesn't want to move, and wants to wait for our good subsidized housing. Asking friends to help us move twice is too much. One can't break a lease legally to go into subsidized housing unless you have been there for over 13 months. I worried too much the good place would come up while I was moving into a cheap place. It got very confusing. We probably will just wait things out for now. 

I didn't make it out to my art club for awhile due to money. Traveling 25 miles can be a big deal for the poor. We made it recently, I was relieved and happy to see my friends there.  Most of the time there is very little money to do anything.  I'm someone who can easily avoid boredom, but the piles of needs build up when you are broke. I need a new keyboard, this one goes in and out, some decent watercolor paper, will the cheaper stuff pass muster for an art show? Since we cut off the cable, we are living in a time warp from the firestick, all the TV shows we watch are from the 80s and 90s and before. That's the free stuff.

 We never were rich before Covid, and you can see my old posts on poverty from then, but things just got squeezed tighter. We are always crushed by bills. The feelings of fear never abate. While this has been going on, I did have some good art stuff happening with my show last year and art in other shows, I have three paintings hanging in art shows now and with two good friends, I was visiting an art show opening just a month and a half ago. So those things are bright spots in my life recently.

This week was a bit better, he got some additional freelance work but there's been very bad periods of struggle too.  I had fears of ending up homeless during some worse months and the "family" finding out and laughing at me. There was one recurring dream, where I was dressed in rags, and heating up beans over a trashcan fire living in the streets in some kind of make shift shack made out of pallets. A big car with relatives pulled up and they were laughing at me. I dreaded this for years, in my awake life, I don't care anymore, I'm gone but in dreamland it still haunts me. She would celebrate it if it ever became known. 

We have turned everything off we can, we got rid of one beater car, I am telling him to turn off one phone line's long distance but he says he needs it still for work.  I'm looking into cheaper phones, they will be shutting off land lines supposedly in 2029. I waited until December 3 to turn the heat on, and the only reason I allowed him to turn it on, was to keep the pipes from freezing. 

My mother wanted me to fail. That was the truth of the matter. She gloried in it. It took me some years to see this truth but she was happier when I suffered or failed. This is the reality, narcissists want you to fail, and this can impact an entire life. They desire your suffering. Many will use you as a comparison point to focus on their own superiority. I've been gone for years now but during my earlier no contact year I had to face these facts. ACONS once they come out of the fog realize how they were set up to "lose" in the greater wide world. Our parents wanted us to fail. They did not want us to succeed. 

My husband hears my woes about "failure" and money and just says to me, "You got sick, that's not your fault!"

Many of us wonder about the potential we could have reached without the abuse. When I was young I was tested as "gifted". I was deemed to have art talent young too. Potential was lost with the lack of sleep, no time to do homework--constantly having to clean like Cinderella, and having all my interests mocked or looked down on.

It is hard to get old and look back on a life of economic struggle. I am responsible for some choices, I never should have majored in art education. I was 17 when I made that decision and clueless about the world.  Over the years I've faced and been honest about some of my limitations. Some people who read this blog mocked me for being fat and being a "woe-is me" person who failed to get their life together. I got tired of just being beaten down, beating myself down wasn't going to fix any of it. Take responsibility for what you can and do what you can but beyond that it serves no purpose. 

More recovery came from depression in ending the mea culpas, and being honest about serious limitations. I have this weird fantasy about watching some normal functional adults, and how they make and spend money. How do they pull it off? I'd love to know. Whatever the secret is, I never figured it out. Blame me or not, it is what it is. All I know is when I needed a good stable job especially after I lost the art teacher one and entered the low paid hell of being a residential counselor, I never was able to turn things around. 

I was more a "thinker" than a doer, and even now hate being pulled away from books or learning new things to get things done.  Maybe the internet was a bad invention for someone of my personality.  I watched these fascinating fossil videos of this guy cutting open rocks for an hour. Distraction can abound. Severe obesity problems even though mine have medical causes also are a sure way to end up in poverty. You are rejected. Your too big body impacts your whole life. It is hard for me to get things done, I'm not sure what it is.  The clock is always spinning for me even though I have no job. Chronic fatigue? ADHD off the charts? A brain that doesn't work right?  Being fat of course means you move more slow. Mobility issues really slow things down and I'm someone who can still walk--well sort of. 

The tragic thing is I was good at art education and enjoyed it. It's even hard to explain how I felt so driven in it, and how my early 20s were spent being so dedicated to pursuits related to it. Recently someone told me, you had to be elitist like a rich kid to choose that major.  This wasn't true.  I just wanted to do something I enjoyed and was good at. Sometimes when a life is more bleak, you grab on to the good things you desire. I can go back in my memory, and relive fun times in art rooms as a student or a teacher. 

 I spent too much on phone bills and had to eat healthier food instead of cans of Chef Boyardee. Coming from a family as well-off as mine, I was utterly clueless about money, saving or investing or how hard it was to make a living. Multiple shocks awaited me. My husband and I disagree on money, I always wanted to live more austerely where there would be extra money. He finds my ideas extreme.  We don't live high on the hog, but I wish I lived in a very cheap apartment of around 600 dollars instead of one that is 1200. He doesn't like my ideas of moving to a very small place and "country" town. America is designed to punish the poor so I investigated moving to a cheaper state and then learned for most of those, I would never qualify for any medical help ever again. This place is set up like a rat trap, see a piece of cheese? There's a trapdoor below it. 

Some of his reasons make sense like access to medical care, so it's life as a maze. Even now he doesn't want to move [except to our good subsidized place] citing that he would lose some money he makes at this one newspaper which is around 500 a month. I know he's afraid of repeating our earlier experiences, living in harsh places especially in Chicago. Poor cheap apartments bring more crime, and less safety and troubles [like the mice we had] and why do you want to let go of a safe place you've lived in for a long time? Other friends have shared their troubles, of meddling neighbors, ignored repairs, and broken into cars. We have had it pretty good at the place we are in now. 

 I should have never moved to Chicago, maybe we stayed in this affluent town too long. Maybe not, the other day I wanted to paint an old building in my old town for a series of watercolors related to poems. Anyhow moving along the Google Maps "street view" of my old town, I am horrified. The last time I was there in person was 2011. Most downtown store fronts are empty, the ratio is around 60 percent vacant to 40 percent filled. I almost burst out in tears it was that bad. The town worsened economically after we left.  Yesterday I was talking to husband about life here.  I know I won't fit in places very easily, but living in a wealthy town as a poor person took a toll.

There were positives, I definitely advanced more in art and cultural things, and had art shows. Beautiful scenery, art, galleries, art centers, nice libraries, good restaurants [before Covid], stamp club, book clubs, and activities at UU church were all enjoyable things. I went to some interesting bible conferences, had my self-help group which is now defunct for many years and participated in many things. The medical care here was far better, I had specialists and home care that kept me alive longer. There were things to enjoy especially before Covid. I am trying to focus on the positive parts of my experiences here too and have recently enjoyed the Senior Center and a second art center. It's kind of hard to grapple with the fact we will have to leave yet another place for good affordable housing eventually.

Autism and abuse also played their parts in my career and financial failures. I realized being on video often at one church I participated in, how autistic I appear even in my speech patterns. I do appear "different" even if you take all weight problems and other issues out of it. It troubles me, how no one was honest to me in college and how I slid through the cracks so badly. 

ADHD to the extreme affected things as well. My focus is spotty. Life is overwhelming often. Even today, while I made some medical phone calls and a housing call yesterday, my apartment is messy, I made some eggs, onion and peppers, for breakfast and ate a spoonful of sauerkraut and did my insulin. I have to clean the kitchen, hang some pictures and made some cabbage soup. Later I did get more stuff cleaned up after having friends visit, so don't feel as panicked about the cleaning. I got rid of a lot of stuff. I plan to get rid of more.

I had Occupational Therapy around 10 years ago and they said it was severe, and related to sensory disorders. I'm one of those type people who has a very hard time being clean, and what some would call "disciplined". To function as an adult, I have to make "to do lists" to remember to do things and live rigidly to stay alive. This means I have to eat meals, go to sleep and take medicine on a schedule.  To-do lists are required to keep the bills paid and to manage appointments. The therapist helped with life management back then, and breaking down tasks. 

It is not a good thing I was raised around those who never wanted for a dollar. I just was utterly clueless, they had amounts of money that are awe inspiring to me today and how they wasted it too! I grew up watching my parents fight about money as they basically got out matches and lit it up on stupid stuff like Queen Spider's notorious thousands of ceramic snow man collection. My values became very different.

Her shallowness came to sicken me. One day we got into a fight on Facebook, and I wrote "you are so shallow", it made her really mad, she threw it in my face, using some help for a car repair, "I helped you even though you think I am shallow". She was. She only cared about appearances. I felt uneasy around the whole family because all they cared about was hedonism, materialism, things and status. Many of us ACONs who come to have different financial lives as a result of this will come to very different world views from our families. My family loves this system, after all it works for them. They think homeless people are all losers who are on drugs. They are programmed into the Truman show. They never questioned anything.  They never practiced any altruism. My mother volunteered once at a soup kitchen to hook her second husband and I was shocked hearing about that one, but it didn't last.

I'm not perfect or an icon of austerity, though I've had some weird thoughts maybe I would have been a happier person free of constraints of this system. Maybe if Catholicism had worked out for young me, I would have been happier in a convent able to share economic responsibilities with others. It's funny as a young child, I had some real spiritual aspirations but those were stomped out by my parents. I am glad to be with my husband so those are just some vague musings. I live in a system that didn't work for me. The NPCS of the world are better at being worker bees who conform.

It always bothered me that the family came to represent everything wrong in society and I can't even describe my disappointment that there wasn't one other freethinker in the group. My mother only cared about appearances and things and that is what she lived for. This outlook on life spread to the entire family. There are no ideas about economic justice or fairness or caring about the plight of others in my family. You are either a "winner" or a "loser". Sadly these sick attitudes have set up Americans in general for more oppression by the ruling class. Let's not forget this is how billionaires get themselves in positions of power.

My own personal reasons for why I am poor, are complicated. My family's evildoings were part of the picture but not the only reasons. I am disabled, fat, autistic, have poor focus, and barely function as an adult and find life incredibly overwhelming. I have no assets to increase wealth. I live in a country where the billionaires are on a tear to pick everyone's pockets. I am married to someone who has health and other challenges and could be a fellow autistic.  Newspapers failed wiping out the foundation of his career, 20 years ago, and while my husband remains connected to the field, and still writes good articles for money, it doesn't provide the same amount of money. He is very talented and that was proven via many things he did achieve in life such as with the books he wrote and had published. We haven't given up, I still do many art related things, and he still writes, now has zines and has future projects he is planning out..

Here's the thing we could be poorer. I could be far poorer. If I was single, I would have to live on my SSDI check. Its not much money. We did get to enjoy some working class years of stability, I remember our shared income in the early 2000s was in the low 30s, so there's lots of people who are poorer. There's many people living far worse. I didn't consider myself "poor" during those times, we even had some years like that here. There's lots of Americans living worse than me in the streets, shelters or lower quality housing. Many cannot afford food. There's levels of poverty far worse. I've been poorer than I am today. We have food to eat, and we will pay some bills today. We have kept our rent always paid on time. I don't take that for granted.  It is scary how wealth divides are growing in America. 

However in my family unless someone made 6 figures they were "poor". I grew up watching my parents mock poor people and condemn them. They usually followed the most right wing politics, not the libertarian free speech branch but the kind who wanted to throw everyone in the gutter. My mother was gung-ho for the Tea Party for example. She and other relatives would refer to cheating welfare people and even openly condemn those who "lived off the government" in front of disabled people's faces. They complained about those "bums" and openly made fun of the family members who were poorer. My father condemned one uncle for going on strike at his factory with the other workers. There was no support of the working man there. 

                                            Homelessness is more likely for the scapegoat

The Homeless are Often Lonely Scapegoats

How many homeless people are scapegoats from their families? I have known several people who have been homeless in the past.  You think about it, they have nowhere to go. There's no parent, sibling, cousin, aunt or uncle to take them in. Homelessness is far more of a risk for a family scapegoat where you don't have the same social networks or family ties. Many mentally ill people and others who are abandoned by their families end up in the streets.  Schizophrenia is one problem that leads to a lot of homelessness. There's no one to look out for them or advocate for them. Some people end up homeless from the abuse of the narcissists directly, thrown out once they hit 18 or thrown out of another family home. I've known some homeless people over the years usually online but some were local. Some ended up homeless breaking up with a partner, others fled abusive parents who even hit them as adults and tried to control them. It can happen easier if you are in a scapegoat role. Cousins, aunts, uncles, nieces and nephews see you as the "bad one". That's the worse thing about being the scapegoat in a family, people cheer for you to fail and to come to a bad end.

I saw it with Aunt Scapegoat, they seemed to derive joy listing off her horrific medical problems while clucking their tongues. Her poverty too often was the stuff of legends..."she hoarded food you know!", "Grandma had to buy all her clothes!" "Her trailer was full of trash!" As a child, I lived in terror of ending up as poor as her, as she was put down constantly in front of me.  It would only occur to me later, that my mother had the means to make her life a lot better instead of letting her sink into such extreme poverty. I would end up as poor, though unlike her, we got some better working class years and her level of poverty was definitely worse.

Sometimes the stories about her did get extreme, I saw some of her poverty so some they told me about her was true. At that point I didn't know what to believe. Imagine the stories that can be told, as you are hunched over a walker or a shopping cart with your life packed up in plastic garbage bags. The narcissists can and do have a field day!

There is the reality too that if you fail in life whether it be your fault or not [disabilities and other bad luck] or a combination, that many families today that are wealthier or middle class especially among white people, will reject you. You are seen as the "family failure". I am realistic enough to know, that my inability to travel for visits affected things negatively. You can't give the same gifts. You don't have a nice house for people to come to dinner at or to sleep in a guest bedroom. There's far less to talk about. What does a wife of a high level executive making high 6 figures have in common with me? She never wanted for a new outfit or car or trip she desired. Those old pictures when I run across them still trouble me as she sneers in my face and looks around my decent but humble apartment with disdain.

The years chip away, and the distance grows bigger especially if you end up in a different socioeconomic class. It's weird to me how this is never talked about. How many people in Gen X, millennials and Gen Z ended up far poorer than their parents, and saw their own families break up? We sadly live in a society where if someone becomes poor in a rich family, you become the "embarrassment" and needing help for a family visit at age 29 is a little bit different than 49. They give up on you, and don't want you around. They don't relate or have any empathy either for your poverty problems. If you get old enough and "don't make it", expect to be cast out of many families in America today.

If you are no contact or seen in a negative way by a family you are in contact with, who is going to take you in? Being disabled I have more of a safety net for homelessness, I would go to a small town with instant openings for disabled housing.  My aim is to always have us live as an independent married couple with our own household.  I may have to live more remote than I want for a time, but it would be better than the streets. A working person though is one paycheck away from the streets if they are working class. If time without a job goes on too long or they are newly disabled and waiting out the time to apply for disability, they can easily end up in the streets or the shelter. 

I got into a discussion, talking about this issue. Family wealth for the scapegoat is not protection from poverty. One guy told me online on reddit that they should study what happens to the financial security of the disabled who come from better off families? He wrote:

Do children of wealthy families with disabilities or visible abnormalities have a measurable difference in financial security relative to siblings, similarly-aged people from middle/upper class families, and comparable peers from poor families?

He said that someone should do a graduate thesis on this, it would be an interesting sociology topic. I was in a disabled group, and a group for autistic adults [on Zoom] and a group for those with serious pain disorders and chronic disabilities [on Zoom]. Family support for the people I met, was far far higher. Many of the autistic adults lived at home with parents including 2 men at my level of autism, who were well into their 50s. There was a few married women like me, they encountered career problems and some were physically disabled, but they had supportive families. No one related to my level of poverty. It surprised me.

 One woman did live in subsidized housing but had a loving family which probably bolstered her feelings of independence.  In the pain disorder group, one lady who had lupus related problems but was still employed, lived with her mother and it seemed to be a positive situation. In the disability group, I met a man who lived with his brother, and another man who lived with his mother, who were locals and had about the same level of autism as me [what was referred to as Aspergers for decades] The latter man was very overweight at my size but he didn't have the same health problems and could still walk, function, drive and work. 

Many of these people had challenges, and in the case of the autistics, career troubles, were common, some did work very hard, and one man did volunteer work during his unemployed periods. Their families seemed to help them. The fellow fat man admitted to me he did face some judgment from his family but others seemed cared about and looked after. Their challenges were not used to reject them as people, like what happens with someone with narcissistic parents. All of my disabilities were seen as "my fault". The weight issues complicated that but they had no mercy for anything else including deafness and breathing problems. 

Disability can be a pathway to homelessness especially if one is on the lower paid SSI, which is around 900 a month now. Maybe some can get rental rooms, but there are many mentally ill people who don't have the social skills to manage, I would be too ill and impaired to live with most people in a house-share situation. Yesterday I had a severe IBS attack and was crying it was so bad. My husband even asked me if I needed to go to the hospital fearing it was another kidney infection. I was dry heaving too and lugging around a plastic trash can to puke into. With roommates, I would hide the emotional of turmoil of illness but they would hear the puking and wonder why I was living in the bathroom for hours.  I am okay now, but not many people especially if you are not that close to them are going to want to live with someone so challenged.

My weight alone often caused instant discrimination when it came to housing. This is one reason I am more apt to rent in an established building rather than privately. My present apartment people have treated me well. This is a huge barrier, I've been lied to and turned away based on my weight before, and this goes way beyond the places that have stairs. 

Some of the disabled people in my groups got really sick, and their families looked out for them. Sometimes it was hard for me to hear about because my situation was so opposite. I have a husband who has looked out for me so am not saying my glass is empty because he's definitely stepped up for decades. There's a lot of disabled people with serious health problems on their own. I get scared for them.  There's no one there for them. Some describe having out-patient surgery and then having the problem of no one to drive then home when they are finished. It was just interesting to see the different attitudes of more loving families towards disabled members. It's pretty sick that narcissistic families will get out the hammer on people with serious health problems. 

But outside of illness, how many scapegoats find themselves in the streets? No home to go to? I dare say there's probably a lot of abuse victims who end up homeless who end up as "orphans" out in a harsh world. Social workers, churches and the world assume everyone has a family. This simply isn't true. For those of us without one, there's no one to turn to. Some of us lucky ones have friends, but not everyone does.  I learned the hard way, going no contact many years ago, no one in the family cared that I was gone. During my most extreme poverty in my 20s, no one cared about me. I missed meals [yeah I know that's ironic as fat as I am] and went without needed possessions, there were times I had literally nothing but ripped up clothes to wear. 

We all want dignity and sadly poverty can strip that from people. Add in an abusive family who looks down on you, and it can be a nightmare. I have many bad hang-ups when it comes to money. My husband has told me, "we don't live that different from a lot of working class and poor people out there and there's a lot of people like us". However I always feel alone in it. I have a few friends as poor as I am or who are worse off but most of those are online friendships. Money is the great taboo, no one tells you if they are struggling though with a few you can see the clues. In media, I only saw my own experiences represented on the show Good Times although I did not have to struggle with racial discrimination like they did. That's one thing that's happened in America, the poor and working class have grown invisible, no one talks bout their lives and they are not represented in media. During the 1970s, we got to see some working class people in TV shows like Alice. 

I went no contact from my family and have been for over 12 years but there's no one to catch me if I fall without my friends and husband. Many friends have stepped up which is wonderful, but life in this scary world without a family is not easy. There were some who told me I should not go no contact I was too poor but I couldn't take the put-downs anymore or being in the role they wanted me to serve, it would have cost me my physical life and soul. When I see homeless people I wonder how many of them were the scapegoats in their families? It's probably a sizeable number. If you our own kinfolk send you out to the desert, where is there to go? 

Many people move in with a relative and younger people with parents when they hit hard times. This is not so much an option for the black sheep, who may face mental health problems and not have the confidence to have many friends or to do well socially. They end up with nowhere to turn. Social workers can be impersonal and if well-intentioned overwhelmed with the sheer numbers of the impoverished.  A few have been helpful but I've hit brick walls with others. You end up alone and with nowhere to go. Disability kept me from the streets but then that has the price of the pain and suffering of disability. Some disabled people are abandoned by their families as "embarrassments". My Lipedema definitely served a role in what went wrong with my family as, my own mother refused to be seen in public with me for 20 years, and because she had so many office friends and others there, disinvited me from her own wedding. 

It is far easier for a scapegoat to end up poor, because we face soul murder and financial destruction of our lives. Here are those reasons.

My Crazy Mean Family Literally Made Me Sick!

First and foremost due to ACE scores, stress, scapegoats can have health problems. You are on high alert, never can relax, your parents never let you sleep or even physically toss you on the floor from your bed. This wrecks children's health adding hormonal and obesity problems especially. As a child I never could relax or sleep. I was always on my parents schedule, for years I had severe insomnia, I never felt safe enough to fall asleep I always had to be on my guard. 

As your physical health is decimated, your mental health is at risk. Severe stress, and trauma all take their toll. Some people will get DID, disassociation, PTSD/CPTSD, anxiety disorders, depression and more. I have talked about this very much just here and there, but my anxiety disorders were very severe. They included almost daily panic attacks, and a feeling of "unease" and fear at all times. I have been diagnosed with PTSD/CPTSD by three different therapists, generalized anxiety disorder, panic disorder and OCD issues during my life. My anxiety disorders were not career enhancers. I had to learn to hide my worries and anxiety because I realized my "neuroticism" made people angry. There were years checking things for hours almost took over and this had to be hidden from others. My anxiety is in a far better place now, I still struggle but it's nowhere as severe as it was.

Sometimes at work, I could barely keep it together. No one during my student teaching when I had to move back home knew I was going from working with kids all day to having people scream at and threaten me. I saw some old pictures from myself from the 1980s, and I'm always cringing, I always look like I'm ready to dodge an incoming hit. Well, I had to be ready to duck at any time. 


                   The amount of bills even for a simple life is overwhelming!



Mean Parents Don't Teach Their Children Anything

One thing many ACONs attest to is the lack of life skills! One does not acquire much knowledge from narcissists, they chase their kids out of the kitchen or garage and slap at kids who don't become instant experts. Dad's good at the stock-market? He'll never tell you it's secrets. Dad's good at fixing cars? While he's screaming at you about being lazy and to hand the tools over quicker, he'll never give you the chance to try and fix it yourself. Mom's good at cooking? She certain doesn't want anyone to outshine her, so you don't learn one cooking trick. You are given low knowledge tasks like whipping the mashed potatoes or wiping the counter. The only way I found out what my mother actually put in recipes was by finding her old handwritten cookbook in a notebook. 

 Paying bills? That remains a mystery. Narcissistic parents won't tell you things like what the monthly budget is. You won't learn how to write checks, buy a car or rent an apartment unless you are one of those lucky kids who gets a life skills class. At the same time, you remain hopelessly ignorant, they get angry at you for not knowing things but then still don't tell you anything!

They want you to keep you helpless so you are dependent on them and don't want you able to stand on your own two feet. They desire your failure so you are easily controlled. They don't want you financially independent. Some narcissistic parents will even sometimes give a scapegoat a little money or help, it's random, and for control to keep you in the game but you'll never see them give help, like with a job even if they have the means to do so. You aren't taught how to function and often your attempts to gain more independent and financial independence are thwarted. They tell you to pay high rent as you desperately try and save money to get out on your own. They ignore your health problems while telling you to work long hours, they would never dream of doing, such as when I had a 7am-11pm schedule every day during student teaching.

This is a common way scapegoats are sabotaged. Many of us grow up and then realize with horror the depth of life lessons and practical know-how that were denied us. We don't know how to do anything. My struggle with life skills continues, some of this can be autism, but right now I am doing calculus in my head, to even figure out how to pay 5-6 different medical bills, the electric bill and how we are going to afford food next week. I keep a notebook dedicated to survival. It has housing lists in there, everything turned out be HUD programs we don't qualify for except for the one we are waiting for, or they were in very bad areas or ones off the bus lines. There are lists of all the food pantries, the number and address of the car repair charity place, and where one can get free furniture and clothing. When I was young, I didn't even know where to go to get charity or how to utilize a food pantry.

Yes. My parents were upper middle class. We lived in a neighborhood of million dollar homes where people hired live in nanny's housekeepers and or at least a cleaning lady on the regular.  Our house was more humble but at 5-6 bedrooms it was very large and there were other large homes around us and the million-dollar homes were just down the street. The country club was right around the corner from the house I went to in high school. Many ACONS are people who descended the ladder. The life I grew up in was not the life I got later. I was unprepared for what awaited me. I was prepared for a culture I never would live in as an adult. 

All quotes in this article are from a reddit post, that I posted. I told the folks there about this article and that I would be writing it.

My parents were very well off financially. I am living well below the poverty line after going no contact. They prevented me from learning to drive or manage my money or have a job while I lived at home. My life didn't really start until after I went no contact well into my thirties. Finally learnt how to write a resume and got and held for many years my first Job at McDonalds. Learnt how to drive. Manage my own finances etc.

This person's experience is very common. Rich parents with a poor kid set up to fail. Some with hard work can rise up later and escape but if there is illness or mental health problems that can be far more difficult. 

I would realize at a very young age, I was kept in hopeless ignorance, given endless stupid platitudes about life. Mine hid reality from me especially when it came to medical problems, weakness or failure. I was not prepared for the real world whatsoever. Outside my low-level jobs in high school, what did I know? Not much. I was kept in a bubble until age 18/21 if you count the day the university was not there to guide me, and that bubble was popped. This is the surest way to poverty too. You are dumb, you are naive, you don't realize how the world really works, and how many "get over" via social skills and conniving. You are taught via your abusive parents to be "nice", especially if a girl, and to be "compliant' and "obedient", and here comes the giant road roller of life, to squash you flat.

Young people who test well in school or get "good grades" and are quiet and obedient [mostly] to teachers can easily slide through the cracks. At home I was hit, forced to clean and never allowed to have an opinion or a real conversation, so there's all these things that come with development I did not obtain. I would observe people as I got older and ask myself what draws other people to them? Why are they successful? I noticed extroverts did far better and those who had confidence in their own opinions and abilities. 

During my many years of no contact, I did change, I learned to "harden" up. This included becoming more practical. Stoicism was of interest to me. Radical acceptance was a helpful concept. While I have returned to some religious faith, my deconstruction did teach me not to be so much of a "sucker" to religious gurus and did free me from being "corrected" and "directed" by other adults. I still don't want some rich man pastor lecturing me about life. It brought some needed changes to my life that way. Fairy tales I was given about the system disappeared in big puffs of smoke. The me of today given a decent body probably would "do" a bit better if out in the world. Some lessons came late, but it's better they came than not at all. 

As time passed, while you see me write and complain about money, I did get to a better place after no contact. There were no more jeering voices and pointing fingers. I felt more free. At least if I see a homeless shelter one day, I won't have to deal with assholes putting me down while it happens. There was relief. I taught myself to some contentment in life, realizing a lot of people were homeless or poorer. My pleasure in small things grew and blossomed. It was easier to do while no longer being in a circle of braggarts or those who constantly condemned me. I got better at solving some practical problems over the years.

My view of the world is different. I explored my real values, and knew they were different from my family. My family were materialists who desired status above all else. I have been poor and/or working class long enough, not to care anymore. I had to accept that I never was going to be rich, or even at the level most people would call "normal" .and then ask myself what was I going to do about it. 

This was part of my religious pursuits, for many years but even now, I've decided if I re-enter a religious group of any kind, it's got to be around people who are of my same socioeconomic class, or those who do some reach out to the poor.  My early Catholic churches and the nuns had a heart for the poor, I really missed in some evangelical circles. However, my old church in my old town, had community and helped one another.  That pastor dropped out of society for a time, but he ended up leaving ministry and entered a trade. I reconnected with him on Facebook, he is still a Christian but seems much happier. He was always a sincere person. 

The UUs here were nice people but I knew going in the class differences would be hard, after all I had faced that before when I was extremely poor in Chicago and even more alone in that poverty. I do question leftist politics because of their now neo-liberal rejection and silencing of the poor and working class. Some people say the left is no longer really left. I can grant that.  I have my eye on a ministry that does poverty outreach in the town I will be in when my subsidized housing comes up, Anyhow, I knew years ago, there was more to life than just being a consumer and greedy materialist, my family had adopted all those values and forced them on me. 

One question occurred to me later, why did poor people have to be put down at all? Why didn't they get my Aunt Scapegoat a decent job? They had the means and connections to get her something simple before she was disabled that would not have taxed her too much. Why was it always competition and grinding everyone into the dirt? Why was it so damn hard to get a job? I think of the missed opportunities because a job always went to someone else. If family is failing in America now, it's because cooperation is gone, it's all competition. What's the use of that? There's no love and care then. No one loved me in my family, they just wanted to crush me, so they weren't a family at all from the start.

Narcissistic parents do not teach resiliency, know-how, confidence, or the practicalities of daily life, they smack you around and expect you to serve their needs.  They teach you to separate from yourself and your own instincts. Fortunately, I could form my own identity. Many ACONS struggle with this because narcissists want "Mini-Mes" and obedient ciphers. They like being smarter, bigger and badder so they are not going to impart the things they know, they want to keep you ignorant. 

In my 30s, I had to learn multiple things. This included tax law to cooking. I could cook a pot of noodles and hotdogs--I could cook every soup and salad known to man from my restaurant jobs, but my knowledge ended there. Some ignorance in matters still exist pertaining to home repairs, car repairs, and I am well into my 50s. I caulked my bathtub the other month but squeezed too much into one corner. Every other adult always seemed so much more competent. I have to balance this though and realize one reason I feel incompetent is because I was surrounded by people who thought they were experts at everything and didn't admit one weakness.

One can learn somethings from books, the internet helped this more later, but real learning comes from doing. Narcissistic parents don't provide those opportunities to their kids. My parents had vegetable gardens for instance, but I was just the grunt who got pointed to which row to hoe the weeds out of. I didn't really learn to garden until a few years ago when I had my off-site gardening place. I learned about seeds, fertilizers, what to do during bad weather and more from a friendly UU church gardening lady, and books.


Narcissists Destroy Your Roots, Ties with Others and Relationships.

One thing that can lead to poverty is troubled relationships with others. It's not hard work or good grades that brings in the money today though they can be needed assets, its often personality. Social connections are what gets you the job. This includes the impression and communication you have with others. When ACONS spend their 20s beaten down, and lacking social skills, and AFRAID of people there are learning opportunities and opportunities that are missed with others. The narcissists often chase away the people who may open new doors to us. One is not building foundations but trying to plug the dam so it doesn't get washed away and these impacts affect an entire life. 

One revelatory thing was reconnecting with people from high school on Facebook. I realized that their lives were far more advanced than my own. I could see the pictorial proof of their active lives with their families and being an honored part of a group of people. Many had children and advanced in their life. I never caught up with my peer group, this may be mostly from the price of autism, but I know abuse served a role in this too.

Narcissists don't allow you to build community as a young person. I wasn't allowed to socialize in high school or go to parties or hang out with friends. I sometimes would "borrow" friends from my sister, she reacted to this only with resentment and derision. The only high school clubs I got rides to were two my brother and sister were in which included the Spanish club and one service club. I enjoyed these clubs but why couldn't I have my own pursuits too?

On Facebook, I could see the memories and photos of my old classmates, where they had so much time to communicate and "be with others". Narcissists will isolate you from neighbors. Even their constant bids for attention and making you into a slave, will take up all your time and destroy the time and energy for connections with other people especially as a teen.

If you are in a family that blackballs you to those around you, this isn't going to help your future opportunities in life. We had family friends who hated me. Did I get in a fight with them? No. Was I bratty and crying and ruining visits? No. My mother complained about me, and told them what a horrible person I was and they believed her. They also followed the subtle cues of her sneers, and obvious distaste in my presence.

ACONs in small towns, really bear the brunt of narcissistic parents smear campaigning them. I lived in some small towns later where some people had bad reputations, and you could tell this came from their parents. We would hear about these people. Some girls were labeled "sluts", others "hoarders" and others "troublemakers". Town gossips would latch on to the complaining narcissistic mother about her "horrible" child. I would see other fat [obesity is often a condition caused by stress] despondent people who told me, "the whole town hates me!" Maybe they weren't paranoid. They were caught in a small bubble, as the family scapegoat. Their name had been smeared to kingdom com. If you live in a small town, and everyone berates a certain young person, be mindful that they could have narcissistic parents.

This happened to Aunt Scapegoat, she grew up out in the country next to a super small town, there was a lot of relatives there, but she never escaped her labels her family role. She stayed the "pot smoking teen rebel who hung out with the biker gang" for the rest of her life. I had the blessings of being in places where I had no family, there was no one to smear me, which means I got some time to be in churches like my first church in my old small town and find other places with community. This allowed me the freedom to mold my identity in every new place. When I was young, we lived in bigger places or moved so often, I didn't share that problem with the small town scapegoats. Living so far away from my family helped my life a lot.


                       Peep is pretending not to know her....for good reason!


Nepotism is Only for the Golden Children.

My mother knew people who could have helped me get a very good teaching job right out of college, her best friend the ex-nun, I've written about in the past, had a very high level administration job in a state department of education. I had teaching experience and taught art at camps and other places. My grade point was decent too. Writing this lady for help in finding a job was a waste of time! There probably was some sort of smear campaign there. She ignored me.  My mother got her own good job from my father, he got her a job in his government agency, she didn't even have an associates or bachelors degree and was a business school flunk-out, and she made middle class income at that job.

Sometimes I do look back at my career failures, I did get a few jobs. I was good at the art teacher job at the juvenile home, enthusiasm floated that job boat and then some. Some have said to me in the past, maybe if you hadn't gotten sick, you may have been okay.  I know autism, extreme anxiety, obesity and my personality that had been formed around narcissists were all career killers. I cringe thinking of some conversations at work. Young me was a very stressed out person. During 1993 I had school or work for 90 hours a week scheduled. This was insane. I was driven to succeed and needed money which was in short supply. I was fighting to fill so many shortfalls and it's like I sunk into quicksand. 

Bosses scared me, I was always afraid of making a mistake. Substitute Teaching had a lot of personal demands. As I descended into illness, especially after I didn't have the stability of my juvenile home art teacher job to fill the financial gaps, things got harder and harder. By then I was trying to transition to a paralegal career, knowing teaching wasn't working out for me because the regular school districts weren't too keen on signing a teaching contract with a fat autistic with very bad lungs. A backroom office job doing legal paperwork was my dream. My Postbaccalaureate paralegal program director loved me and considered me gifted, however my body and mind had reached a breaking point. This breaking point, came about from years of abuse. There was no resiliency or a caring family to stem the tide,

Imagine that your uncle and brother in law have very high level positions, one is a vice president at a company, another uncle is high up enough in his corporation to go to Switzerland for meetings. They haul in high six-figures but you are the scapegoat begging for a job not to be homeless and you aren't deemed worthy of a low paying mail-room job. It's off to the streets for you. 

My mother's second husband once bragged at a dinner we were at with them, that his brother owned a factory and huge business. There were a few times, I sucked up my pride and begged my sister's husband for a job for my husband and asked my stepfather to ask his relative who owned a huge corporation, for that help too. This happened after my husband's newspaper lay-offs. I also had my husband apply to my parent's government agency years earlier as we were trying to leave Chicago--he had college and administration skills to make the work more than possible--they hired people who were only high school graduates there all the time to train them back then. He was turned down. My mother only had a high school diploma and some part time work at Sears when my father got her a middle class job there. My mother would work there for over 26 years. I know her own income hit the 40,000s by the late 1990s. The missed opportunities piled up. The answer was always "NO". 

One stable middle class job for my husband would have changed our life. It would have steered the direction another way. Remember I watch him struggle with health problems, he has no health insurance for. He got worn out. We missed out on a lot. THEY DID IT ON PURPOSE. 

I often think of what direction my own life could have taken with stable employment, and not going through the extreme stress and trauma of the poverty I faced in Chicago. I've talked about this in other blog posts. I was in the fog and denial for years, later I would know what it truly meant for a so-called family to almost let a relative die of extreme health problems and live in that level of extreme poverty with no help.

In a narcissistic family they'll never give you a fishing pole, they'll throw a few fish, and once those are eaten, throw you into a river. Some may judge me here for my wanting to use nepotism, but be real, I watched my family get jobs for others in the family and family friends all the time. As the new generation came up, I saw the same thing happening. I don't know who the new scapegoats are yet, but I suppose it will be whoever ends up poor and unemployed. I'm not around to know anymore.

I saw people leave high school and college and rise up like rockets. One uncle got an internship at his company for my cousin--she got a high level marketing job in a metro city from this internship. Others got jobs, my mother kept the address secret of that one cousin. One uncle got hired in by his best friend's father at a corporation he remained at for 30 years. That spoiled narcissist never has gone without a job or in need of a job his entire life. He's never wanted for a dollar. He's the star of the family after my mother and both are peas in the same pod.  He was hired in at the age of 18.

We figure out after we have gone no contact, that our families and abusers were drilling holes in our boat. We look back in shock. I suspected things but didn't figure it out until later. I almost had to drop out of student teaching because the college wouldn't let me live in the dorm near it, a 150 dollar a month room  I rented fell apart because because the selfish woman there kept me up until 3am with the TV blaring. My space was a sun room, with no door to close the living room out. I was forced to move home, and they were bitter about it and I had a 20 mile commute on top of things.

My parents set things up where I had to work until 11pm and get up at 6am to get to my unpaid student teaching internship that matched school hours. I was still in the fog, but later realized they wanted me to flunk out and not graduate from college. 

When I graduated both parents seemed pissed off, I sacrificed my health on that altar, but I remember how I lived back then, there were no normal meals, not enough sleep AT ALL, and would be woken up at 7am on weekends, being screamed at and being told I would have my stuff thrown out on the lawn. That was the "make or break" time for my future career. Both parents refused to attend my college graduation even though I graduated with a 3.45 and got my teaching certificate. Nepotism is not shared with scapegoats but they will also try to destroy and undermine the success you personally work for too.

I looked into my family years ago. A lot of things didn't make sense. My mother's list of friends on Facebook was extremely revealing. I did this stuff before going no contact. I wanted to see how far the nepotism went. By then I was wondering why my family seemed so connected, and why were some so wealthy and why were there so many secrets? As folks here know I found out family secrets on Ancestry, but I took my research to the "commerce" and "money" world. 

The internet made it possible. My mother hid where one cousin lived from me for three years because she got her a six-figure job via connections with her best friend the nun, [the same one who refused to help me] at a major Catholic university. This woman married a wealthy multimillionaire who worked in media. He has famous friends in national media listed on his Facebook. This was Aunt Confused's granddaughter.  This was another wedding years ago I was not invited to. I was not invited to her sister's wedding either.

Some of my relatives are millionaires. One thing I noticed is many young people who were not especially talented [no straight As, or extreme passions etc.] got very good jobs right out of college. I'm not talking 40-70 thousand a year jobs but six figures. There were no struggles with job applications or anything like that. No one struggled to get jobs like I did. My nephew got a high paid engineering job right out of college. He bought a house by the age of 23. They didn't even have to be star students, they came out and got these incredibly great jobs. Their employment also remained perfectly secure which is very rare nowadays. 

As I got older and saw nephews, cousins, nieces and others getting internships via family connections and in several cases, six figure jobs right out of high school and college, I knew my family was high up enough and connected to have nepotism be a theme. 

 This is how I discovered the awful fact that my two best friends in college may have been chosen for me. I was kept in the dark about so much, that it was extremely revelatory, the things I found out. My family kept so many secrets from me. When I did Ancestry, and found out my grandfather was not my real grandfather, and the real grandfather was the brother of a very high level union official--he was the top guy of one of the largest unions in America back in the 1950s and 1960s, it occurred to me Aunt Confused had to know, her son after all had moved way up the ranks in the union world. He has held a high-level union position for decades. She had to know!

His daughter was the one who married the multimillionaire in media. The groom's father was a NYC stockbroker. The other daughter married another very wealthy man who dabbled in the music world and took them on a honeymoon to Greece.  The cousin who married the multimillionaire, was the cousin, where my mother kept it secret where she lived for three years to hide that she had gotten a job at a place both my mother and her best friend [the nun] had connections to. The other cousin got a teaching job at the district her mother taught in. My mother's nun friend worked with high level Cardinals and bishops at a nationally known catholic university. She was in the newspaper all the time for her successes in the Catholic church. 

I also realized that as a scapegoat all those helps were denied to me. It was extreme how much was kept secret from me. Facebook brought forth some facts.  Both siblings were friends with work friends of my parents, that I never even met. That was weird. I was the fat embarrassing secret my mother kept hidden. I still remember that one party she disinvited me too where the whole family was there and many of her government worker friends. One can argue nepotism is wrong, I can go with that but remember those who grew up more well off, were invested in considering me the family "loser" so that got old. 

Coming out of a rich family as a scapegoat can be a mind screw. Everyone rose to the top, while my fortunes sunk. I don't think scapegoats are paranoid to suspect that machinations behind the scenes may have happened to them. There was no one to relate to me. I think one reason I was thankful for my no contact, was there was no more stress in being surrounded by all these wealthy people who looked down on me. For years, they told me I was a loser and constantly bragged to me. With my disabilities, I never was going to be their financial equal and we had nothing in common. I had thoughts years later, it was only natural with no affection or common interests in these relationships, that even if I hadn't gone no contact, they would have definitely faded away. We had nothing in common. 

The nieces and nephews all become obedient STEM bots, there wasn't one rebellious or free-thinking soul in the lot. They never had curiosity and most of them barely talked. So they were impossible to get to know. I had some happy moments with my sister's two older children in the early 2000s during a week I went to go visit, but after they arrived in their pre-teens the phones came out and there was no opportunities for true conversation at my mother's house. We all stayed strangers. 

Even the autistic nephew majored in computer security and surveillance. I'm not sure if he will be scapegoated or helped to get a job by the family. He is very overweight so that alone could be a strike against him.  I'm simply not around to know. There weren't going to be any "rebels" in that lot to relate to.  I know when my husband was in newspapers and getting his books published, we were still young and had hope of some future middle class "respectability" I was disabled but he was/is extremely gifted in writing and we had hopes of moving up via his efforts.  Now that we are older, I just want contentment and being left alone. When you are poor you are never left alone. It's good I was no contact during these last few years. I'm gone, I don't have to try and win respect or compete with these people anymore and that will always be a relief. 

As I got older I was able to accept being of more meager means, and deal with it. I was fine, but sadly in America, they sure seem invested in putting the screws to the poor and working class. Maybe I was spared becoming a sell-out by not allowed into the family circles. There was punishment for non-conformity. I saw those who "sold out", maybe they knew I'd never be one of them, anyway, money or no money. Some of them sold their souls long ago for their wealth.  It's given me a lot to think about. 

The Special Turmoil of Those in Poor Narcissistic Families

Scapegoats have their own burdens to bear coming out of poor families, they seem to get abused for their money more, with demands to take care of the parents or donate to the family coffers keeping them trapped at home, kind of like Gilbert Grape. Some may even say well at least you got to go to college and that's true. Poor scapegoats are often in danger too of being used as perpetual free babysitters or caretakers if they are at home long enough for an older parent to need one. I remember some young scapegoats in my old small rural town, where they escaped caretaking and impoverishment by joining the military. Who can blame them? For some of them, it was their only means of escape.

Most narcissists who don't have money or fail to earn it usually are the parasitic sorts that live off other people or family members. Some engage in substance abuse and some had earlier careers but lost them due to malfeasance, legal troubles or substance problems. These kids won't be in the situation where the parents are the pillars of society. Their neglect will be even more acute, the parents will demand that they pay their bills and they will grab on to them like leeches. You will see situations where the scapegoat in this case is not sent to the desert to die of poverty like in a rich family but used and abused to pay the family bills and support their parents. Enmeshment is more possible. The parents will often waste money or gamble or refuse to work or apply for disability or subsidized housing and then demand the scapegoat literally stay home forever instead of building their own life and family to pay their bills. They will drain them utterly dry and a young person who gives in to their demands will miss out on a chance to build their own life.

These scapegoats also will have their education neglected. Some will be home schooled, and miss out on education.  Lazy parents will subscribe to homeschooling and not bother to educate their child at all. The "unschooling" movement with abusive parents, means they just want to sleep in and keep how they are treating their kids from the prying eyes of the public. Some do homeschooling right but for abusers, it's a way to keep a kid isolated, abused and away from connection to a community. Some toxic parents will be in cults, that add more abusers to a kid's life. 

Sometimes the poor family will pour resources into the golden childen and having little there will nothing left for the other children. So Johnny the golden child gets the hamburger and the scapegoats get left over rice. 


The Four Fs [Fight, Flight, Freeze and Fawn[ Will Make You Poor

The Four Fs are the trauma responses of many scapegoats. All of these trauma responses make you poor. They all applied to me at various times. 

Fawning is a given. Sometimes people brown-nose bosses but it only takes you so far. It makes you look weak and like a push-over. People treated me badly until I got on the clue bus in my 40s about not sharing so many problems or showing weakness to others. Those behaviors don't bring in the jobs, and if you do get jobs, you get the grunt low paid or dangerous work no one else wants, or they can't fill the positions for. It almost entitles that you remain at the bottom of the pyramid. 

Freezing also limits one's life. You freeze like a scared rabbit, and actions aren't taken, you get frozen into space and time. Your life does not advance like other peoples. For many ACONs, we struggle with the voices in our head inherited from our abusers where nothing is never good enough and being told we are worthless or our lives had nothing to show for them. Freezing can make one put off responsibilities and put things off to avoid fear and stress. It is not a career or money enhancer. 

Fleeing/Flight also has dangers. Geographical cures don't always fix a life if there are internal health problems or mental health challenges. Some of my moves worked for me but many forget that they take themselves with them when they go to a new place. Many ACONs lack the roots or feeling of "home" of other people. I know I was psychologically damaged from losing one town. There is this endless yearning to have a "home" and a place to belong. This too can interfere with wise decision-making. 

Fighting if you do it literally can cause court and cop problems and give you a record. If you verbally fight and lash out, it can bring problems too and put you at odds with neutral or helpful people. Even misdemeanors can make it hard to get jobs. Those who served prison time, know how much of a struggle it can be to regain economic viability. For those who go the verbal only route, many narcissists can do DARVO and then make you look like the aggressor or the bully when they instigated things. I fought back many times verbally and just ended up losing, while my abusers came out smelling like roses. Money problems will put you in a weaker place. I have a lot of regrets about life, that I would have put money making first instead of growing up to be a financially struggling person, but then I forgive myself knowing what road all the abuse put me on.  

Narcissists will seek to destroy and undermine your successes.

Remember when I wrote about the book contest I won in elementary school and my mother embarrassed me in front of my teachers condemning their book award and making me look bad? Well she tried the same again! This happened during a hoovering event of a couple years ago. It concerned something successful I was involved with and she contacted the people and made strange requests that troubled and scared people. They were good people who were not fooled by my mother. I was able to hold to my no contact. All my successes growing up were minimized, there's a reason both parents refused to go to both my high school and college graduation ceremonies. There's a reason, she ignored art shows, mocked my stamp collection and both never gave me one ounce of encouragement.

 So if you are a scapegoat that somehow rises above the abuse and manages to get a career, and money, this doesn't stop the narcissists toxicity. I've read stories where scapegoats did well for a time, and then when the bottom fell out from a spouse dying, or they got disabled or they lost their jobs or careers, the narcissists in their lives gloried in it, and were another boot stomping on their head. I had hope of doing well up to my early 20s and things switched especially after I lost my juvenile home art teaching job, it upped the abuse a few notches. When my husband had his health and career difficulties from his newspaper lay offs and then losing the job as a copy ad writer. She reveled in it. My family became far more abusive after my husband's job lay-offs. If his newspaper jobs had continued our path would have been a lot better. 

I do believe given my family's connections, that there could have been sabotage in the background, there definitely was enough in our faces. So even success will not make you immune from their abuses, the rule that they don't want a scapegoat to succeed remains intact, so even if you have money and do well for years, realize they could be waiting to pounce at the first sign of weakness. This can happen even for aging ex-scapegoats if their abusers are still living.

If you do succeed, they will do everything to undermine you. This will range from mocking your career choices to parasitical attempts to grab your money. Some will try and get you fired. Some ACONs have written online how their parents got them fired from jobs, doing things like showing up at the work place ranting and raving or calling bosses and co-workers and making up lies about them. I've read stories of kids winning full-ride scholarships to universities where narcissistic parents ruined things by refusing a few small fees or travel money so they could get to the university or making up more lies or demanding the adult child stay home to "take care of them" putting their education on hold.

 Most narcissists have money and are lords of the manor but some people do have what I personally call parasitical narcissists, these are the types who learned to live off others and suck them dry to support themselves. I once had a wealthier commenter on this blog tell me, even if I made it big and had money, my family still would have treated me like trash. She was wealthy and they still treated her bad. It also didn't escape my attention later, my money-worshipping mother, didn't like my millionaire ex-friend either just because she was my friend at the time. For the scapegoats who do succeed or are wealthy, their abuses are just as abusive and a force to reckon with. 

So lets say you ducked through the maze and came out financially secure via hard work, luck, talent or a combination of all. Narcissists will still focus on your failures [made up or real] and will still call you a loser. They still will criticize you no matter what. Steam will come out of their ears if they see you in the newspaper for an art show, or they think you have even one dime, they think you don't deserve. 

Years into no contact I faced facts about what it meant, that with an upper middle class family, I was extremely ill and forced to live with the mice and rats and had no car, medical care and other things I needed to live. I almost died at that time, and it didn't occur to me until years later and the fog had cleared how much I had been betrayed. I never had a family in the sense of the word whatsoever. Many ACONs will go under betrayals like this. One can hear the horror stories all over.

Many of us face severe neglect as children. Some ACONs don't get the medical care they need. This happened to me. Many don't have the right clothing, or material goods even with families that have enough money to provide properly for them. There is emotional neglect but also physical neglect where narcissistic parents don't take children to doctors or make sure they are happy or healthy. They will have new clothing while their children wear rags. 

Even those with rich parents, feel a constant strain of neglect. I used to love those Scholastic book sales that came to our school but my parents would never give me money for books, fortunately I could get some with newspaper delivery money but my parents were like this person's parents, I owned only two pairs of pants often while in high school, I couldn't go on trips or buy books or do activities like the other kids because my parents were so cheap when it came to my needs. I wasn't allowed to buy lunch at school, and had to eat a gross bologna sandwich every single day and sometimes I would ask for a little money to buy a salad or hot meal at school and the answer was no. It was ironic seeing the poor kids eat better than me at school because they got free meals and mine were too stingy.


So I related to this person on reddit.
My parents are both software engineers that make about 100k salary each. They have multiple rental properties, and are worth over 1 million.

However, as a kid, they never gave me any money for anything ever. Even something like needing $10 for a field trip, they wouldn't give it to me. Always saying shit like "what have you done to EARN $10?"

There was an allowance system in place, but if I missed one chore at all in a week, then it all went away. The time the chores needed to be done by seemed ever changing, and I literally never actually got any of that allowance.

Any time I needed to see a doctor or needed them to come to some school event, they would make me feel terrible for making them miss work or for the price of healthcare.

This sort of thing almost assures that a kid won't reach the same financial level of the parents. It teaches the kid you do not deserve anything and you must scrape, bow and beg for everything which puts a later adult child in a subservient mode where success is far less possible. I always was treated like a burden and that I was in the way. It made me subservient. The message given here is you are trained to believe you don't deserve anything and that can play out in a negative way in a life. She'd grab me and literally pull me across aisles for strangers. They meant a lot more to her than I ever did. If you don't feel worthy, then it's hard to get others to see your worth. 

Later this person admits they ended up in the streets and had to scramble to survive and still live in poverty as an adult. They were set up to be poor by a family of means. 

Disinheriting the Scapegoats!

One way poverty will come to scapegoats is via being disinherited. As long time readers know I have gone through extreme poverty in my life that even makes today's diminished means look like candy-days in comparison. Why did my father leave every penny to my mother, when he knew before he died, that I was severely ill and disabled?  He didn't care about me. My mother got him to "blame" me and throw me away like yesterday's trash. She became wealthier, it was at least $500-750,000 and could have been as much as a million dollars if not more via life insurance. He had told us kids he was leaving everything to her when we were growing up, as he wrote weird letters to "cut us out of the will" every time he got pissed. I've already written about my mother telling two relatives that I was cut out of her will years before I went no contact and how everything will be left to my golden child sister. 

Scapegoats can end up poor even coming out of a millionaire family. Some will have their millionaire parents leave them a small stipend or even 1 dollar for legal reasons while giving millions to other siblings and family members. These experiences are very common. The scapegoat can be very poor living in SROs, boarding houses or even in the streets. My sister never knew want or poverty. It only occurred to me later, as I nearly died in Chicago, she had the means to help too and simply refused. One odd thing to think about during high school is my family was considered one of the "rich" families in town because of my father's position at a government agency and the fact we lived in one of the "better neighborhoods" in town. Some kids would make fun of us for this. That's a bit of irony I know. 

Here is one experience shared to me on a message board. 

"That’s me. My sisters got everything. I was on my own at 15 after my father died. I didn’t get the insurance money left in trust for me. I went to a homeless shelter. My mother is worth millions. I’ve done ok for myself but struggle hard. I never had any family help at all let alone financial or favors or even emotional support. I’ll be 47 in a couple weeks. She felt guilty recently and offered me $50k for a house. I have three kids in a 250 sq ft trailer that she’s embarrassed about. I said help me increase my income instead by paying for a $4k certification for me. I’ll double my income after that and can help myself. Well, she paid the first $900 then changed her mind. Now I can’t finish and am embarrassed in front of my professional colleagues. Nothing even happened. No conflict. It’s just how she is. When I said maybe you can apologize for setting me up like this, she went off on how I made my choices in life and made it out to be all my fault.


That poor person is having the usual sabotage. Notice the refusal of help where the ACON could provide better for herself in the future. Multimillions in the family and she's left to clamor. I'm glad she's employed but sad she was put in this position to begin with. Sadly many narcissists rise in ranks in our society and are the ones with the money. This poor person is in one of those proverbial "Don't give me a fish, give me a fishing pole" situations.

I know of another case, where a scapegoat was left money and property by a narcissistic father, the mother was a narcissist too, but the parents were divorced. Their golden-child sister cleaned the accounts out and got the father to sign papers 5 days before he died, transferring all the properties over to the golden child sister. This scapegoat tried to fight in court but lost, the sister had deep pockets to fight legal battles with from taking all the money. The court and banking system in their area seemed to be very corrupt and there were many professionals who backed up the golden child sister. The lawyers took their share, leaving the scapegoat empty-handed. 

I was blamed too. My parents were against my marriage, "he's too poor", my husband was a newspaper reporter by the time we began dating with a journalism degree from a major state school. I was told I was "lazy and fat" and this is why I couldn't get a "good enough job". I was always working before I was disabled so they focused on the fact my jobs were low paid, my juvenile home art teaching grant job wasn't the SAME as a full time permanent teaching contract. It occurred to me later, that for someone who was only 21-22 years old, that was a decent job for my field. Nothing ever was good enough. I was told over and over the opportunities provided to others were denied to me, because I was not good enough. Added to that was a thick layer of guilt and gaslighting such as when my mother told me, "I did everything I could for you and here you come wanting more!" What an absolute joke!

If a scapegoat is disabled or autistic, that's a danger zone too as far as inheritances, I've heard stories where the disabled person [especially on SSI] is told you will lose your Social Security if you get any inheritance, so we are going to write you out of the will. They will be made afraid and intimidated. I know several disabled people this happened to.  There are special trusts families can set up for disabled members but don't expect a narcissistic family to investigate those things. Many disabled older adults who lived with one elderly relative who may be decent and not a narcissist will be thrown out of the house so the narcissists can come in and clean the place out. There are a lot of abuses with probate out there. I don't know why probate law seems written to protect narcissists but often it is. Sometimes in less toxic families, they may be left money in a trust but then that ACON enters the hell of having a narcissist or golden child narcissistic sibling in charge of their financial life as a payee representative. I'm not sure why the disability advocates are failing to protect so many people but I've seen too much funny business with guardianships, and well-intended relatives being outgunned by money-hungry narcissists. 

 I had spiritual troubles watching the wicked prosper. There's times I wake up and wonder why have such mean and cruel people done so well, and never faced economic or other troubles? A giant divide would have come over our class differences anyhow. Even if I didn't go no contact, I was the red-headed bastard step-child they were hiding out of "embarrassment", I didn't live the same life styles, didn't look the same. I didn't have the new clothing, the new cars, they lived lives I could only dream of, as they flew overseas and owned vacation homes. What use is a family in those circumstances? I have rich friends who live different lives from me, but in the case of my family they made it clear I was not one of them. Many of us are told we do not belong in many ways before we walk for good.

I came to the conclusion mid adulthood, I never really wanted their life. I was happiest living a more simple life. The suburban go-go life was never for me. I've always desired the safety of money but always have known if I ever came into money, I would not spend it on the same things. It was too mentally exhausting, taxing and fake too. Let's be real, I am someone who questions society and is of an artistic bent, redecorating a suburban house and putting on dinner parties was not the way I wanted to go. Artists and writers have a drive to be artists and writers that is hard to explain to others. It's like you are born to be that way. 

I've heard of this same disenfranchisement coming to many. As I wrote 10 years ago, the boomer generation and above was far more wealthy than later generations. Yes, there are some poor and some decent boomers. There are all these clueless articles going on about estranged families but no one has examined one main point, that as younger generations fall down the ladder and can't afford to build the same lives or own houses take trips, or hit all the expected milestones in a family, they aren't the same social class as their family anymore. They don't fit in. The class chasm alone is a yawning cataclysmic effect on family relationships.  The sociologists have ignored these effects on our society as the economy collapses. These issues are never addressed. Younger people are entering their 40s and 50s knowing their lives will never be like their parents and in the case of those with narcissistic parents the blame and shame never end. The worse of it is, is that you really don't have a family just "competitors" who smashed your face into the ground as they walked over you.


                   Peep watched her parents shop until they drop, while she went without.


Narcissists Waste Money and Practice No Frugality. They are Bad Examples

My family were snobs, and probably still remain so. There were financial cracks in the family. Both my parents would mock anyone who had financial set-backs. This included laid off relatives who were otherwise middle class. There was absolutely no mercy. Materialism ran the show. One major problem with my family is they were extremely materialistic, and while they always got the money they wanted, they wasted it. There were years when my parents were making six figures during the 1980s, that they went deep into debt. They were both shopaholics, and even though there was a lot of money coming in, my mother got her government job around 1983 from my father, they spent it like crazy. 

I grew up watching constant fights about money. My mother did the bills, but there was always screaming and shouting. This wasn't a good example in learning how to handle money. My father wasted thousands of dollars wanting to rebuild a muscle car from the 1960s, he never finished it and our second garage was filled with a hunk of junk with no wheels and endless boxes of car parts, that later was sold off in the 1990s. My mother bought every fad and followed every decorating trend which meant stripping rooms down to "remodel" them. She would show off to family constantly so when relatives came to visit she would go all out. She bought $400-500 of groceries once for one family visit, this was back in the 80s too and that was two large filled grocery carts. Every new gadget that came out they'd buy from lawn tractors to fuzz busters to new phones.

After my father died, my mother did not change her spending habits, she spent thousands to put this old 1880s wagon in her yard and bought the legions of snowmen to fill the house. Both of them ate out several times a week at fancy restaurants with glass goblets of wine and waitresses, My mother having no fear even though she was allergic to shellfish, would go to these expensive "all you can eat" snow crab leg buffets and eat for hours. That was one very strange attribute about her showing her lack of fear, she would pig out on a food she was allergic to. She ended up in the hospital twice, and would take allergy pills before eating the crab. Most people know this is a very bad idea when it comes to food allergies. These crab buffets even in the 80s and 90s were above 30 dollars a person. My father was the same, still eating potatoes even though he was badly allergic to them because my mother wanted to serve them. My mother would remain a weekly customer of Red Lobster for years.

Shopping was a hobby for my mother. Every week there were extensive shopping trips to the gardening miniatures/dollhouse, clothing, Hallmark stores--our house was plastered in those expensive Christmas ornaments, Ethan Allen, and out of town trips to "go shopping". She would lay out at least $5,000 dollars on Christmas. My father wasn't any better. He would buy the car parts, go to endless auctions, the hardware store, the bookstore and he shopped quite a bit. Both collected "collectibles". My mother collected these expensive "country houses", and ceramic/glass owls and filled the shelves with them. Later she collected decorative plates. My father collected ceramic/glass whales. They would go to gift stores all the time looking to add to their collections. My mother would follow trends, she spent hundreds if not thousands of dollars on 

My parents were very proud of their possessions. Things mattered more than I did. Most of their identity came from what they owned rather than what they did. The only "positive" conversations I had as an adult with my mother was her showing off to me what she had purchased. When I was still in the mode of trying to connect, that's the only time she had conversations with me that were not about criticizing, or putting me down.  Get her to talk about her shopping trips. It may be a nearly pleasant conversation then. My poverty put a giant chasm in any possible relationship. What could I afford to buy? Not much.

Credit card debt was an issue for my parents. I heard whispered discussions of bankruptcy in the 80s and early 90s. I'm not sure if they ended up declaring it, but since they kept their houses and cars probably not. She probably ran out of credit for my sister's wedding, which is why she took my credit card out of the mail without telling me and stole it. She had to have her money. Frugality was not a path for her.

The sad thing is why my parents shopped until they dropped even as a minor I went without. I befriended the "project" kids in high school because I dressed like them. There were only 2 pairs of pants to wear at one time. I only owned two pair of shoes usually ugly sneakers I could not stand, and some boots for the winter. While I got Lee jeans and a couple sweaters, I did not get to dress anywhere near how my classmates did. My mother would blame my weight, "you are too fat for clothing" but I was still midsized enough there was some clothing available. There was no money for prom, I had a job by then but that cost hundreds of dollars I felt was beyond me. There was no money to go to go on trips or the Senior Class trip. I went to a rich high school, where the kids there with the exception of the "project kids" who lived with their often single mothers in an apartment complex, hung out the country club and went to Florida for every spring break. I did not relate to them and they maintained lifestyles like this into adulthood, seen on Facebook with golfing trips, cruises and dinners out.

I had one foot in poor land from pure neglect but one foot in rich land. My family lived in one of the best neighborhoods in town and even in the town before that we were considered a "rich" family because of all the material possessions. My brother's newer Trans Am with a giant bird on the hood was the envy of the males in my high school. He got this car after he owned a cherry red Firebird.

My mother brought lavish food to neighborhood parties. My father had a high up enough position to be in the newspaper on a regular basis. I would go visit these high school acquaintances that lived on the edges of the golf course and country club just down the street from my house on very rare occasion as I was not well liked and a couple times I saw their bedrooms. My eyes bugged out at their full closets, shoes, make-up, and lovingly decorated rooms. I definitely wasn't living like them. One girl was even nearly as fat as me, and that gave me weird feelings, her closets were busting and when her mother hugged her hello, it almost made me cry. 

I cried when I outgrew one prairie skirt, after my earlier weight gain, it was made out of red corduroy, and I knew she'd never buy me another skirt. I watched my sister and mother wearing new clothes all the time. Narcissists will often dress their scapegoated kids very poorly so others will look down on them and treat them badly. I told her I was being made fun of at high school for wearing the same clothes too often, she didn't care and would just yell, "It's because you are fat!" I would have to rewash my too few clothes almost every other night to have something to wear the next day. She bought me unflattering clothing all the time on purpose, especially these especially very ugly navy themed sweatshirt and sweatpants and shorts that had horizontal lines. I wanted slimming black clothes and she refused. 

This is extremely ironic but as a child, I hoarded money. It's funny to think that as a child I had more money than I would as an adult. Because of my constant part time jobs to babysitting and then restaurant jobs, I always had a few hundred dollars stashed away as a child. Maybe I knew there was safety in money. I hid money from my parents. She would steal some of my newspaper money but to do the job, I had to get some money and I would keep it.

Sometimes I did a few fun things like play Putt-Putt when we still lived in the big metro city or go to the arcade, but overall I kept my money. The family mocked me for my attitudes about money and called me a "miser". All the time they would lecture and harangue me about being tight with money. It's weird now, they probably didn't want me saving. They didn't really know how much I had which is good.

During my last year at home, I lied about how much I was making to hide and save some money. She was demanding rent and refusing to let me eat much at home, fortunately the juvenile home let me eat meals there. I told them I made just above minimum wage around 5 an hour at the job [minimum wage being a mere $3.35 at the time] instead of the actual 14 an hour. The job was 30 hours a week so I was able to save some from it and other jobs. I was stashing money to get out. At one time I had 5,000 dollars, sadly car repairs and medical would vaporize that money but it got me out during my first no contact. It would be the most money I ever had at one time in my adult life. 

There was no sanity around money. No example of frugality or the practicalities of daily living. Watching people spend money until they dropped did not prepare me for life or even how hard it would be to make a living. There was no preparation or saving for the future. There were no family assets to depend on. Today as a poor adult, the way they burned through money is horrifying to me.  This is one area where scapegoats can be cheated out of a future decent financial life. 


Hide Your Piggy Bank from Mom and Dad!

Another thing that can happen to scapegoats beyond being directly disinherited, many will have money stolen from them. I wrote about this years ago but my mother committed identity theft against me using a credit card in my name and putting almost $2,000 on it. Some scapegoats will have their paychecks grabbed as they live at home: "you need to help us with expenses" or will have inheritances from others stolen from them. If there's a narcissist about and someone dies in the family, they go running to clean the newly deceased's house out. Some will have their stuff sold off, and even cash will disappear from their piggy banks. My mother used to "get into" my newspaper money when I was 10 years old. What could I do? I was just a kid. I learned to hide some money.  I wonder if people who used to buy savings bonds for grandkids and others realize much of that money disappears into the coffers of the narcissistic parent. 

from Reddit:

My mom stole my college funds that my grandpa gave to me after he passed. When I asked her about the funds she promised, she said "what funds?"


My Advice for Young Scapegoats to Escape the Poverty and Abuse Trap:

If you are a young scapegoat, and want to have a better financial life. Here's my advice...

1. Be practical and focus on what you can to be financially stable and independent. Scapegoats more than anyone have to focus on making sure they can provide for themselves. Read books on money-making investments and more. 

2. Find and foster community where you can. It's not easy and some communities may fade away but some succeed in finding close friends or churches like my first church in my old town and communities like my art club and later self help group that can be places of support. This is very important to those without a family

3. Be very practical in your career choices, balance out things if you desire to be in the arts and really face reality. I've written of my regret in these areas. For abused ACONS, making a living and seeking financial independence is very important. It is very hard on me that I never achieved financial independence or a stable money life. I don't want others to suffer what I have. 

4. Protect your health as much as you can.  Get needed rest. Avoid processed food, join the gym if you can afford one. If you lose your health, the money goes away. Disabled people are very poor. 

5. Protect your interests. Financial suffering and shortages can really hinder your healing or even in the cases of some people be threats to full no contact or independence from the narcissists. My financial need kept me in the game far longer than I wanted to be.

6. if you are poor or unable to escape poverty, learn extreme frugality as much as you can. I'd already be in the streets if not for some habits. Always pay rent first no matter what. Do not gamble or take up expensive habits. Also look into stoicism. I had some depression that lifted when I started practicing stoic acceptance but even that must be balanced with protecting your interests and looking out for them. 

7. Realize the reality of this world. There are people who will help you out there, I've encountered many but also realize this world is a greedy place, it is a "king of the mountain, dog eat dog world". Narcissists leave us naive to the reality of the world. It's better to face how things really are then to look at them as how we wished they would be.

8. No contact is not easy but life for any socioeconomic class is far easier being no contact. 

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